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Post by paterfamilias on Dec 15, 2015 14:29:51 GMT -5
It looks like there will be more clubs with U12 DA, thus building up a pyramid of development.
So any idea which clubs are in?
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Post by SoccerMom on Dec 15, 2015 14:43:16 GMT -5
I thought only GA United and CF would have it..and of course Atlanta United.
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Post by justaparent on Dec 15, 2015 15:31:20 GMT -5
Looks like AFC is getting it.
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Post by paterfamilias on Dec 15, 2015 15:32:01 GMT -5
See page 17 of this powerpoint from US Soccer. ussoccer.app.box.com/s/c2813mqbav1plmjtn7q66mztxeqox8vy"Selected new clubs will only play in the U-12 age groups - Open to apply for older age groups, but U-12 acceptance does not guarantee admission at any of the older age groups" Will there be any other U12 DA clubs in the A-T-L?
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Post by SoccerMom on Dec 15, 2015 15:37:39 GMT -5
See page 17 of this powerpoint from US Soccer. ussoccer.app.box.com/s/c2813mqbav1plmjtn7q66mztxeqox8vy"Selected new clubs will only play in the U-12 age groups - Open to apply for older age groups, but U-12 acceptance does not guarantee admission at any of the older age groups" Will there be any other U12 DA clubs in the A-T-L? i know the application was due yesterday, but not sure when they will decide who gets it
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Post by paterfamilias on Dec 15, 2015 15:43:16 GMT -5
It looks like clubs were notified yesterday.
I wonder if the GUSA clubs will still be together on DA, or each individual club will get the U12 DA? That would make more sense to me
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Post by footy on Dec 15, 2015 16:11:46 GMT -5
Any other teams getting U13 or U14 teams?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 15, 2015 17:16:25 GMT -5
Looks like AFC is getting it.
surprising. they used to be a full member just by themselves back in the day.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 15, 2015 17:35:01 GMT -5
Anyone heard if Ga United is staying together?
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Post by justaparent on Dec 16, 2015 9:01:07 GMT -5
I'm now so confused. I thought that I had the new age groups figured out for the upcoming change but adding U12 DA has added a wrinkle.
The way I understood it, a 2005 boy would play U12 next year IF Georgia Soccer indeed makes the change next fall. However, DA is not making the change next year so DA U12s will actually be 2004 boys.
Is DA changing to the new age group in fall of 2017? So, then the U12 DA teams would be 2006 kids? The 2005 kids get skipped a year in order to make this happen, I guess.
This is exciting news for AFC, but there seems to be a lot for them to settle out and explain to the parents.
I'm wondering what AFC's selection for the new U12 DA program might mean for the other DA age groups. It wouldn't make much sense for AFC to have a U12 DA team and not the older age groups, right? Can anyone shed some insight into this question for me?
Of course, my perspective is coming from someone with a 2005 birth year at AFC right now.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 16, 2015 10:43:14 GMT -5
For u12 DA for next fall the birth year will be 2004s.
For the 2017/2018 year DA will be changing to the published matrix.
Total disaster and will be a nightmare since DA 2004s will play 9v9 and the non DA 2004s will be playing 11v11.
US soccer has no clue on what they are doing.
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Post by jash on Dec 16, 2015 10:59:33 GMT -5
For u12 DA for next fall the birth year will be 2004s. For the 2017/2018 year DA will be changing to the published matrix. Total disaster and will be a nightmare since DA 2004s will play 9v9 and the non DA 2004s will be playing 11v11. US soccer has no clue on what they are doing. This example alone should be enough to stop ANYONE from ever saying "we should just trust the professionals because surely they know better than we do" regarding all the recent changes. This whole thing has the smell of some bigwig making an impatient statement about how irritating it is to him that we're not aligned with Europe and saying "make it happen" and then putting an intern in charge of it.
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Post by justaparent on Dec 16, 2015 11:05:27 GMT -5
For u12 DA for next fall the birth year will be 2004s. For the 2017/2018 year DA will be changing to the published matrix. Total disaster and will be a nightmare since DA 2004s will play 9v9 and the non DA 2004s will be playing 11v11. US soccer has no clue on what they are doing. So, the 2005s get skipped. Weird. I guess next year clubs that have DA will have two separate "U12" groups. They'll have 2005 U12s that play regular Academy soccer and 2004 U12s that play DA. Then the next year, the 2004s will go from "U12" to "U14".
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 16, 2015 11:10:27 GMT -5
They "US Soccer" are adding a u13 DA as well.
But same is true - for next season the 2003s are u13 DA, but for non DA 2003s, they will be classic ball and I guess the 2nd year of classic with rpl slots already determined.
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Post by rifle on Dec 16, 2015 21:10:57 GMT -5
Until they call it the "2003" DA team (just pick a year).. I won't try to figure out any age groups. Too confusing.
Off with their U's!
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 17, 2015 8:53:21 GMT -5
My guess is AFC based upon their statement, hope to add the U13 DA group the following year. The goal of US soccer is to add more u12 teams to minimize travel and more importantly minimize costs, so wonder who else in the southeast got added. Anyone heard anything about other GA clubs? Can AFC field 26 kids at this level? Even some of the larger clubs would struggle with that number. 9v9 is a different game though, and its very interesting how as kids grow up you see kids that:
* are stars at 6v6 and then it never translates to the 8v8 game * are great 8v8 players but then over the next 2 years struggle with the switch to the big 11v11 field and don't understand the game.
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Post by justaparent on Dec 17, 2015 9:44:08 GMT -5
My guess is AFC based upon their statement, hope to add the U13 DA group the following year. The goal of US soccer is to add more u12 teams to minimize travel and more importantly minimize costs, so wonder who else in the southeast got added. Anyone heard anything about other GA clubs? Can AFC field 26 kids at this level? Even some of the larger clubs would struggle with that number. 9v9 is a different game though, and its very interesting how as kids grow up you see kids that: * are stars at 6v6 and then it never translates to the 8v8 game * are great 8v8 players but then over the next 2 years struggle with the switch to the big 11v11 field and don't understand the game.
Can AFC field 26 kids at this level? - I'm not qualified to answer this as I've never seen "DA level" soccer.
The more I think about this, the more questions I have as to how this will affect our club. Will some of our most talented 2005s play up with the 2004s to field the DA teams? In turn, what will this do to our 2005 level of play? How many new comers to AFC will this bring. I know of very talented kids that are still playing rec because of cost. Will this draw them in? How many kids that are playing for Concorde South will jump over to AFC if Concorde South doesn't have it? There are also some kids in this area playing for SSA West that might come back to AFC. Whatever the judgement is of the talent level in AFC academy right now, I'm thinking it will now get an influx. This should be good news for my 2005 son in regards to increasing the talent level of his training partners therefore challenging him to improve even more.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 17, 2015 9:57:51 GMT -5
it could help or hurt. depends on the cost. GA united for example, you pay I believe $1500 and no more. You don't pay for travel etc. (correct??) But if the expense is high, it could hurt.
I've been wondering as well about the 2005 playups. I haven't read anything on this with regards to this topic. My assumption is if kid is good enough, they will encourage him to play up. I also think Atlanta United will take a few 2005s to get them in the system earlier.
But maybe US soccer takes a stand and says "no 2005s" will be allowed to play. I doubt that will happen as they are constantly pushing top players to play up in DA.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 17, 2015 10:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by infoguy on Dec 18, 2015 9:30:46 GMT -5
Sorry if this was mentioned before, but I understand DA tryouts are after the customary early June-club tryouts? If so, what do people normally do? Do parents/kid tell the club that you want to wait to commit until you know the results of the DA tryouts?
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Post by zizou on Dec 18, 2015 9:58:25 GMT -5
For u12 DA for next fall the birth year will be 2004s. For the 2017/2018 year DA will be changing to the published matrix. Total disaster and will be a nightmare since DA 2004s will play 9v9 and the non DA 2004s will be playing 11v11. US soccer has no clue on what they are doing. So, the 2005s get skipped. Weird. I guess next year clubs that have DA will have two separate "U12" groups. They'll have 2005 U12s that play regular Academy soccer and 2004 U12s that play DA. Then the next year, the 2004s will go from "U12" to "U14". Pretty soon you will not have to worry about the age at which DA starts. Based on feedback from Double Pass, the Belgian consulting firm US Soccer hired to audit their academy system (as well as essentially all aspects of US Soccer development), they will be getting DA down to U9. Yes U9. This is the same consulting firm that gets credit for revolutionizing the German and Belgian training models. I think those two federations' men's teams are the top 2 in current FIFA rankings. Double Pass and Youth Development
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Post by parentsoccerfan on Dec 18, 2015 15:23:24 GMT -5
And now SSA announced U12 DA for fall 2016 as well. Who will be next?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 19, 2015 12:50:46 GMT -5
So In summary u12 DAs - SSA AFC Atlanta United Concorde
So the million dollar question is Ga United still Ga United, can't get an answer from anyone.... Will Ga United have u12 also, or will UFA and NASA both be announcing the program.
Basically u12 DA will be the new u12 academy program other than if your kid is at Atlanta United and playing for free. Most likely 26 kids tiered to an A and B team playing 9v9. Remember also, all those other 2004 in the state that don't play DA, they will be playing 11v11, the question remains is this classic ball or not. Silence on this issue of course.
I'm amazed how little folks/coaches really now. Sometimes I get the response they don't care, hence the problem....
Imagine asking me a work related question or something about my job and the next 6 months, and my response is "I don't care, or I don't know, or lets wait and see......"
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Post by footy on Dec 19, 2015 13:12:35 GMT -5
Sorry if this was mentioned before, but I understand DA tryouts are after the customary early June-club tryouts? If so, what do people normally do? Do parents/kid tell the club that you want to wait to commit until you know the results of the DA tryouts? Some kids are notified they have made the DA team before the official DA tryouts so they don't have to go to club tryouts. Otherwise yes, wait to commit until after DA tryouts. That can be tricky though because if your kid doesn't make DA and you did not commit to club along with everyone else, the coach/club team may see it as being uncommitted to their team.
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Post by infoguy on Dec 21, 2015 9:42:34 GMT -5
So DA U12 is a different approach than the older age groups? With all due respect, it seems that the older DA teams (GA united and Concorde) is more selective due to the age groupings and the fact that only 2 organizations offer DA?
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Post by infoguy on Dec 21, 2015 10:00:42 GMT -5
Sorry if this was mentioned before, but I understand DA tryouts are after the customary early June-club tryouts? If so, what do people normally do? Do parents/kid tell the club that you want to wait to commit until you know the results of the DA tryouts? Some kids are notified they have made the DA team before the official DA tryouts so they don't have to go to club tryouts. Otherwise yes, wait to commit until after DA tryouts. That can be tricky though because if your kid doesn't make DA and you did not commit to club along with everyone else, the coach/club team may see it as being uncommitted to their team. Footy: one of my initial thoughts is same as you - maybe the coach/club sees attending DA tryouts as being uncommitted to the team. however, if that club is a member of the GA united alliance, then it would seem unreasonable to think that way. In other words, a player isn't necessarily leaving the club if he/she plays for ga united.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 21, 2015 10:26:44 GMT -5
Part of the problem is the u16/u18s are 2 age groups each, so you have a big shift from coming from u14 and the bulk of the rosters at u16 are filled with the older kids.
Now, the problem will be the top kids in the alliance clubs might play u12 to u14 da, then not make the u16s and not have a quality team to come to play for etc.
This is where the press release said the clubs will work together (Ga United, Atlanta United and Concorde)....... I don't see that happening though.
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Post by footy on Dec 21, 2015 11:46:29 GMT -5
Some kids are notified they have made the DA team before the official DA tryouts so they don't have to go to club tryouts. Otherwise yes, wait to commit until after DA tryouts. That can be tricky though because if your kid doesn't make DA and you did not commit to club along with everyone else, the coach/club team may see it as being uncommitted to their team. Footy: one of my initial thoughts is same as you - maybe the coach/club sees attending DA tryouts as being uncommitted to the team. however, if that club is a member of the GA united alliance, then it would seem unreasonable to think that way. In other words, a player isn't necessarily leaving the club if he/she plays for ga united. You make a good point about kids who are already in CF or in the GU alliance--I agree it is easier to go from club to DA in those situations. The DA and alliance club coaches talk to each other and likely already have plans as to who will play DA in a given year and who will not. For my son who was not in either of those clubs/alliances, the DA coach offered him a spot before club tryouts and he and I talked to the club coach about it ahead of time so there was time for the club to look for more players in that position. Fortunately the DA coach already had a relationship with our club coach so it worked out well. We will face a similar situation but in the opposite direction next year if my son doesn't make any of the older DA teams.
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Post by footy on Dec 21, 2015 11:48:08 GMT -5
Part of the problem is the u16/u18s are 2 age groups each, so you have a big shift from coming from u14 and the bulk of the rosters at u16 are filled with the older kids. Now, the problem will be the top kids in the alliance clubs might play u12 to u14 da, then not make the u16s and not have a quality team to come to play for etc. This is where the press release said the clubs will work together (Ga United, Atlanta United and Concorde)....... I don't see that happening though. I agree; it may be tough for the clubs to work together to fill the U16 and 18 rosters at AUFC and see who stays at Concorde since GU won't have the older teams anymore. It will be interesting to see where the U15's and 17's go in their off-years.
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Post by footy on Dec 21, 2015 11:51:09 GMT -5
One word of caution though--there are some kids who are assured ahead of time that they will have a DA spot but then are told at tryouts that they no longer have it. This is not a fun situation as you can imagine so there may need to be a backup plan.
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