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Post by footy on Feb 16, 2017 23:52:19 GMT -5
Anyone know which games go into overtime and which ones are allowed to have a tie? If overtime, how long and how many before going into PK's? Is the NFHS Rules Book the best source or is there something specific for Georgia high school soccer? Thanks!
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Post by 90+ on Feb 17, 2017 0:21:19 GMT -5
Anyone know which games go into overtime and which ones are allowed to have a tie? If overtime, how long and how many before going into PK's? Is the NFHS Rules Book the best source or is there something specific for Georgia high school soccer? Thanks! Teams in the same classification (7A vs. 7A, 3A vs. 3A, etc.) MUST have a winner. Doesn't matter if they're in the same region, just same classification. Teams in different classifications (e.g., 7A vs. 5A) can end in a tie, but if the coaches agree before the game that they want to have a winner, then the tiebreaker procedure will be followed. The procedure is as follows:
Two 5-minute OT periods are played in their entirety - no golden goal, no silver goal. If still tied after the two OT periods then it goes to kicks from the mark.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 17, 2017 10:15:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I was wondering why we had to go into OT and then PK's when it wasn't even a region game what is a Silver goal?
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Post by footy on Feb 17, 2017 10:54:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I was wondering why we had to go into OT and then PK's when it wasn't even a region game what is a Silver goal? Golden goal means the first goal scored in overtime wins the game ("sudden death") and the rest of the period is not played. Silver means they still play the entire period and whoever's leading at the end of the OT period wins the match. Here is one explanation www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_skills_silver_goal_rule.html
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 17, 2017 13:34:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I was wondering why we had to go into OT and then PK's when it wasn't even a region game what is a Silver goal? Golden goal means the first goal scored in overtime wins the game ("sudden death") and the rest of the period is not played. Silver means they still play the entire period and whoever's leading at the end of the OT period wins the match. Here is one explanation www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/football_skills_silver_goal_rule.htmlThanks! I had never heard of it :-)
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Post by guest on Feb 20, 2017 9:17:11 GMT -5
Similar subject: How about stoppage time? I am somewhat new to the high school game. I understand that in FIFA, the center ref maintains almost absolute authority over game time. While in HS, the scoreboard is the authority. There is no stoppage time in HS, because the ref is actually stopping the clock during the match.
Which way do you prefer? Ref keeping time or clock keeping time? When the clock keeps time that gives coaches/players/parents ammunition to gripe that the ref didn't start/stop the clock fairly. Also, what to do when there is a shot in the air when the horn blows? Does it count? Is it like basketball? Maybe we need light-up goals.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 21, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -5
Similar subject: How about stoppage time? I am somewhat new to the high school game. I understand that in FIFA, the center ref maintains almost absolute authority over game time. While in HS, the scoreboard is the authority. There is no stoppage time in HS, because the ref is actually stopping the clock during the match.
Which way do you prefer? Ref keeping time or clock keeping time? When the clock keeps time that gives coaches/players/parents ammunition to gripe that the ref didn't start/stop the clock fairly. Also, what to do when there is a shot in the air when the horn blows? Does it count? Is it like basketball? Maybe we need light-up goals. if the time ends/horn blows and the ball is not over the goal line then its not a goal
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 21, 2017 10:39:56 GMT -5
Another strange one -- the other night, the ref made the girls play the ball forward on kickoffs, he deliberately instructed them to play the ball forward first. I wasn't sure if he wasn't educated about the new kickoff rules or if high school still required the ball to move forward on kickoffs.
I do like the clock stoppages when kids are getting hurt etc, and for other random gaps that requires stoppages in play. Anyone know if high school across the nation are similar? It is rather odd, that the clock goes down instead of up... Do you think that this could have been related to original score boards at high school stadiums not being able to count upwards?
Will say it makes for some interesting drama in the last minute similar to basketball. I've seen goals in the last 15 seconds that were stunning.
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Post by jash on Feb 21, 2017 13:52:55 GMT -5
Another strange one -- the other night, the ref made the girls play the ball forward on kickoffs, he deliberately instructed them to play the ball forward first. I wasn't sure if he wasn't educated about the new kickoff rules or if high school still required the ball to move forward on kickoffs. A ref told our boys that the GHSA rules are just behind... that next year it will be changed. And yes, he said it was ridiculous, as it is. Why do we pay GHSA? That FIFA rule was changed long enough ago that it should have been easy to include it this spring. I definitely think our high school AND college soccer scoreboard rules relate to football scoreboards being used. The simple answer is just don't use a clock on the scoreboard and let the ref keep time. It works just fine for club games. Plus it eliminates all the confusion when the ref asks for a stoppage but the kid running the clock forgets, etc.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 21, 2017 14:39:48 GMT -5
and score board malfunctions!!!
or use the boards, and just count up and there is no horn, and ref controls the true game clock.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 22, 2017 6:43:17 GMT -5
Another strange one -- the other night, the ref made the girls play the ball forward on kickoffs, he deliberately instructed them to play the ball forward first. I wasn't sure if he wasn't educated about the new kickoff rules or if high school still required the ball to move forward on kickoffs. A ref told our boys that the GHSA rules are just behind... that next year it will be changed. And yes, he said it was ridiculous, as it is. Why do we pay GHSA? That FIFA rule was changed long enough ago that it should have been easy to include it this spring. I definitely think our high school AND college soccer scoreboard rules relate to football scoreboards being used. The simple answer is just don't use a clock on the scoreboard and let the ref keep time. It works just fine for club games. Plus it eliminates all the confusion when the ref asks for a stoppage but the kid running the clock forgets, etc. At our game last night, the ref stopped the time but the score board didn't for a few seconds. Ref yelled from the field to the box what the correct time should be and they changed it to match. I like having the time on the scoreboard, it eliminates people from yelling time!
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Post by guest on Feb 22, 2017 13:04:20 GMT -5
Similar subject: How about stoppage time? I am somewhat new to the high school game. I understand that in FIFA, the center ref maintains almost absolute authority over game time. While in HS, the scoreboard is the authority. There is no stoppage time in HS, because the ref is actually stopping the clock during the match.
Which way do you prefer? Ref keeping time or clock keeping time? When the clock keeps time that gives coaches/players/parents ammunition to gripe that the ref didn't start/stop the clock fairly. Also, what to do when there is a shot in the air when the horn blows? Does it count? Is it like basketball? Maybe we need light-up goals. if the time ends/horn blows and the ball is not over the goal line then its not a goal Wonder if this has ever happened? Seem very tough to be able to call. It's not like a PK where the AR is standing on the goal line observing. Center ref has to judge when a ball passes over an imaginary plane (the goal line) 20-30 yards away.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 22, 2017 13:28:52 GMT -5
My kids high school does not have a video board, do any of the schools use the video board for soccer?
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Post by jash on Feb 22, 2017 15:54:50 GMT -5
At our game last night, the ref stopped the time but the score board didn't for a few seconds. Ref yelled from the field to the box what the correct time should be and they changed it to match. I like having the time on the scoreboard, it eliminates people from yelling time! It is very nice to know, I agree, but stopping the game to fix the clock interrupts the flow of the game (I'm sure it was during a stoppage in play, of course, but still). It's tough, but overall I'd prefer no clock to a running countdown.
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Post by jash on Feb 22, 2017 15:55:59 GMT -5
if the time ends/horn blows and the ball is not over the goal line then its not a goal Wonder if this has ever happened? Seem very tough to be able to call. It's not like a PK where the AR is standing on the goal line observing. Center ref has to judge when a ball passes over an imaginary plane (the goal line) 20-30 yards away. Happened to our middle school team. No goal. Rival school, and we the have tied the game for us (rather than the loss) -- heartbreaking and SO not what the game of soccer should be.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 22, 2017 22:14:42 GMT -5
At our game last night, the ref stopped the time but the score board didn't for a few seconds. Ref yelled from the field to the box what the correct time should be and they changed it to match. I like having the time on the scoreboard, it eliminates people from yelling time! It is very nice to know, I agree, but stopping the game to fix the clock interrupts the flow of the game (I'm sure it was during a stoppage in play, of course, but still). It's tough, but overall I'd prefer no clock to a running countdown. It happened when he had to stop the game to give a yellow card to the coach of the other team, the clock person stopped it a few seconds too late. Btw, what is the rule for yellow cards in HS? I heard that players have to come out immediately, but I couldn't find any information on it. How long does the player have to sit out?
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Post by spectator on Feb 22, 2017 23:04:13 GMT -5
It happened when he had to stop the game to give a yellow card to the coach of the other team, the clock person stopped it a few seconds too late. Btw, what is the rule for yellow cards in HS? I heard that players have to come out immediately, but I couldn't find any information on it. How long does the player have to sit out? If a player is given a yellow in a high school match, the player has to leave the field but may re-enter the game. How long that player has to sit out depends on the coach - some will keep them out for the duration - some will immediately sub back in. We had a yellow in a game last week and the player went back in pretty quickly - no balking from the opposing team's coach or referee so it must not be a big deal. Haven't seen a red card in a high school game but I imagine it's immediately leave but no subbing back in - don't know if they have to sit out a game or if they can play the next one.
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Post by defensewins on Feb 23, 2017 9:06:24 GMT -5
It happened when he had to stop the game to give a yellow card to the coach of the other team, the clock person stopped it a few seconds too late. Btw, what is the rule for yellow cards in HS? I heard that players have to come out immediately, but I couldn't find any information on it. How long does the player have to sit out? If a player is given a yellow in a high school match, the player has to leave the field but may re-enter the game. How long that player has to sit out depends on the coach - some will keep them out for the duration - some will immediately sub back in. We had a yellow in a game last week and the player went back in pretty quickly - no balking from the opposing team's coach or referee so it must not be a big deal. Haven't seen a red card in a high school game but I imagine it's immediately leave but no subbing back in - don't know if they have to sit out a game or if they can play the next one. Here is the rule on suspension: (d) The period of suspension resulting from an ejection will expire as follows: (2) Soccer: (a) One-Game Sit-out: 1. Two yellow cards in the same game 2. Deliberate handball to prevent a goal 3. Red card for a foul on a player moving toward his goal in a scoring situation (b) Two-Game Sit-out with Red Card for any of the following: taunting, violent conduct, serious foul play, spitting on another person, foul or abusive language, leaving the bench area for a fight situation.
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