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Post by infoguy on Jun 6, 2017 6:31:54 GMT -5
Hoping to get your gut feelings/predictions about the boys side of this ENPL thing. My son has it in his head that it will house "better" teams than RPL, and it will be considered a "higher" league.
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Post by chelsea14 on Jun 6, 2017 7:23:41 GMT -5
So how will this work for placement in the c1, c2 and below if these teams with ecnl move their c1 players to ecnl? Will ga soccer account for this and drop them to lower divisions?
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Post by infoguy on Jun 6, 2017 8:46:50 GMT -5
So how will this work for placement in the c1, c2 and below if these teams with ecnl move their c1 players to ecnl? Will ga soccer account for this and drop them to lower divisions? I think the same question is for clubs with RPL teams that move their top team to ENPL. For instance, why should the club retain their spot in RPL if those players are no longer around to play at that level? Unless, they recruit a bunch of kids that played RPL last year. Everything I've heard is that it's about the players. Some clubs, like GSA, are advertising both ENPL and RPL. They didn't have 2 RPL teams at a certain age level, so not sure how they can post this info for that age level on their tryout page.
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Post by spectator on Jun 6, 2017 11:18:17 GMT -5
For the boys this year, expect the same kind of confusion and cluster that the girls experienced when ECNL started. Example - and not picking on the club here - Top Hat. Pre-ECNL - in every age group, TopHat top teams dominated State Cup and RPL. When TopHat got ECNL, it was treated as a new team not a replacement team (layer) so of course those players on the high performing RPL teams got the ECNL spots but the club retained the RPL spot as well - filling it with the Athena A players or any new players who came to tryouts. Therefore they could advertise an ECNL team (#1) and an RPL team (#2) but the reality is that that RPL spot was earned by the now ECNL players and not the current players on the team. In some cases those teams did well - in others they did not - but the point was/is that the team that earned and kept those RPL slots were now ECNL players and the replacements may not have been up to the same level but the club was allowed to keep the team. (In the Top Hat example, there is the added cluster of the merger with NASA that also had high performing RPL teams but that's another story - boys, just pray there's not another merger between two large clubs).
And the same thing will happen in ECNL clubs that now have DA. So in the scheme of things now the hierarchy of youth soccer is:
1. Top Team - DA 2. Second Team - ECNL 3. Third Team - SRPL 4. Fourth Team - RPL 5. Fifth Team - Classic 1/Athena A 6. Sixth Team - Classic 2/Athena B and so on down the scale
Hopefully this will all shake out sooner for the boys than it has for the girls because in the midst of all the ECNL craziness on the girls side, the birth year mandate also hit. Best of luck to all trying out this week. I am ever grateful and happy that this will be our last tryout as the kid is a rising senior now. I don't envy anyone with a younger kid (U13-U14) trying to navigate the options, politics, logistics and overall craziness of the new layers that are now youth soccer
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Post by touchlinedad on Jun 6, 2017 13:22:20 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused. Is there a difference between between SRPL and RPL? If so, can someone explain it to me.
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Post by footy on Jun 6, 2017 13:26:58 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused. Is there a difference between between SRPL and RPL? If so, can someone explain it to me. No difference. The S just specifies the southern region.
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Post by touchlinedad on Jun 6, 2017 13:30:59 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused. Is there a difference between between SRPL and RPL? If so, can someone explain it to me. No difference. The S just specifies the southern region. So if RPL and SRPL are the same thing, that mean's spectator's hierarchy of youth soccer is this: 1. Top Team - DA 2. Second Team - ECNL/ENPL 3. Third Team - SRPL 4. Fourth Team - Classic 1/Athena A 5. Fifth Team - Classic 2/Athena B and so on down the scale Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 6, 2017 13:37:05 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused. Is there a difference between between SRPL and RPL? If so, can someone explain it to me. Yes its different -- SRPL - is what most people call the Premier Division RPL- is what most people call the 1st Division
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Post by touchlinedad on Jun 6, 2017 13:53:21 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused. Is there a difference between between SRPL and RPL? If so, can someone explain it to me. Yes its different -- SRPL - is what most people call the Premier Division RPL- is what most people call the 1st Division Ok, got it now. So, as I suspected, the introduction of ENPL is just going to add to the alphabet soup and give clubs another way to market themselves as "elite." I wish that there was a strict pyramid like in England as this just strikes me as another way for youth soccer organizations to get money from parents.
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Post by footy on Jun 6, 2017 13:55:34 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused. Is there a difference between between SRPL and RPL? If so, can someone explain it to me. Yes its different -- SRPL - is what most people call the Premier Division RPL- is what most people call the 1st Division Interesting. I had always thought people used those SRPL (Southern Regional Premier League), RPL (generic but referring to our region here) and R3PL interchangeably. Here's the link I use to figure it all out regioniii.usyouthsoccer.org/premier_league/southern_regional_premier_league/
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 6, 2017 13:58:21 GMT -5
Yes its different -- SRPL - is what most people call the Premier Division RPL- is what most people call the 1st Division Ok, got it now. So, as I suspected, the introduction of ENPL is just going to add to the alphabet soup and give clubs another way to market themselves as "elite." I wish that there was a strict pyramid like in England as this just strikes me as another way for youth soccer organizations to get money from parents. Its definitely going to be a cluster, however I think that ENPL will have a harder time competing with the already established boys DA. They will probably be able to pull RPL players but no one will leave DA to go play ENPL. Also for the clubs that don't have ENPL, there's regular NPL, winners of both leagues compete together in the national championships -- this means that a team can be in both RPL and NPL and go to the same championship and the ECNL boys. Let's hope in the coming years things get less confusing
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 6, 2017 13:59:52 GMT -5
Yes its different -- SRPL - is what most people call the Premier Division RPL- is what most people call the 1st Division Interesting. I had always thought people used those SRPL (Southern Regional Premier League), RPL (generic but referring to our region here) and R3PL interchangeably. Here's the link I use to figure it all out regioniii.usyouthsoccer.org/premier_league/southern_regional_premier_league/You are not wrong as to what it actually means. But that is how most people differentiate the two instead of saying 1st Division or Premier
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Post by spectator on Jun 6, 2017 14:14:23 GMT -5
RPL watered itself down when they created First Division - which as has been said many times - here included - is just Athena A but more expensive and with more travel.
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Post by goteam on Jun 6, 2017 15:02:36 GMT -5
Am I the only one that feels that this whole DA / ECNL thing is just crazy? I get it .. we want these players to be playing the best teams blah blah.. but when it was just RPL and Classic I,II, III etc... didnt they all still get to play challenging teams? Seems to me the difference is now parents of means have to fork out 10K or scholarship kids (again paid for by the other parents of the club) and be on a bus to Florida and back in a given wknd. It's the same group of kids. The same hierarchy of quality. The difference is the expense and the busing around. Heck these kids still need to do their homework, enjoy hanging out with a friend at the movies. Seems to me us adults are doing them a disservice here.
And I'll add , tryouts are for new kids. They have already offered spots to returning kids on DA. So those DA tryouts are for maybe what 4 spots?
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Post by soccerballz on Jun 6, 2017 15:03:25 GMT -5
So how does that work? Are SRPL relegated to RPL? RPL relegated to Classic 1? 4 teams in SRPL and 4 teams in RPL? Sorry confused. It used to be easier
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 6, 2017 21:05:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I sound uninformed, but where does it say you can't do any other sport whilst on a DA team? I do know about any other organized "soccer" event/tournament/school... This is the only thing I could find.
Can Academy clubs participate in non-Academy competitions?
To maintain a focus on training, Academy teams do not play in any other leagues, tournaments, State Cup competitions, ODP or All-Star events without written permission from the U.S. Soccer Development Academy staff. Full-time Academy players can only participate on their designated Academy team, with only one exception: National Team duty. Development Academy players for all teams must choose to participate in the Academy full-time and forgo playing for his high school team.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 7, 2017 5:42:01 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I sound uninformed, but where does it say you can't do any other sport whilst on a DA team? I do know about any other organized "soccer" event/tournament/school... This is the only thing I could find. Can Academy clubs participate in non-Academy competitions? To maintain a focus on training, Academy teams do not play in any other leagues, tournaments, State Cup competitions, ODP or All-Star events without written permission from the U.S. Soccer Development Academy staff. Full-time Academy players can only participate on their designated Academy team, with only one exception: National Team duty. Development Academy players for all teams must choose to participate in the Academy full-time and forgo playing for his high school team. It doesn't say that you can't, but because of the type of commitment I think most people feel they can't do both
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 7, 2017 5:43:53 GMT -5
Its definitely going to be a cluster, however I think that ENPL will have a harder time competing with the already established boys DA. They will probably be able to pull RPL players but no one will leave DA to go play ENPL. Also for the clubs that don't have ENPL, there's regular NPL, winners of both leagues compete together in the national championships -- this means that a team can be in both RPL and NPL and go to the same championship and the ECNL boys. Let's hope in the coming years things get less confusing For what it is worth - I know several families with kids leaving DA for ECNL despite pre-tryout offers to return. Ability to play school soccer, do other sports, but still have ability to play at high level appealing to many. My son doesn't want DA if offered, but would take ECNL in a heartbeat so he can do track as well. I know of a few families leaving DA as well but it has to do with their kids not getting much play time and not them believing that boys ECNL is better.
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Post by infoguy on Jun 7, 2017 10:49:15 GMT -5
Since the question was asked, here's my understanding:
To call the Premier Division "SRPL" or "SPL" and First Division "RPL" is technically wrong, although I know what people mean when they say it.
SRPL is USYS Region 3 (Southern Regional Premier League) - some say R3PL, which I think was used at some point in the past to abbreviate Region 3. There are SRPL sub-regions, and we are East. East has 2 divisions: Premier and First.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jun 7, 2017 11:07:20 GMT -5
You can play other sports in DA. I think it would be easier to do that in DA than ECNL. ECNL will have way more travel (costs). DA plays limited amount of games.
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Post by parentsoccerfan on Jun 7, 2017 11:19:11 GMT -5
We were told specifically at DA parent meeting that kids were not allowed to play other sports, not just school soccer.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jun 7, 2017 11:23:20 GMT -5
Miss informed. DA does not allow any organized soccer. You can play other sports.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 7, 2017 11:54:18 GMT -5
I know kids last year that played other sports. Would be coach dependent and their were conflicts and the player and parents knew that they would sit games because of it.
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Post by infoguy on Jun 7, 2017 11:57:35 GMT -5
No difference. The S just specifies the southern region. So if RPL and SRPL are the same thing, that mean's spectator's hierarchy of youth soccer is this: 1. Top Team - DA 2. Second Team - ECNL/ENPL 3. Third Team - SRPL 4. Fourth Team - Classic 1/Athena A 5. Fifth Team - Classic 2/Athena B and so on down the scale Please correct me if I'm wrong. So, I think it's important for us to understand, so that our boys understand, the only formal hierarchy listed above are items 3-5. Items 1 - 3 represent different leagues, and on any given day, a club's top team can beat another club's top team. DA is a bit more obvious, but again, any given day. I did hear that clubs won't be allowed to carry both DA and ECNL/ENPL moving forward.
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Post by infoguy on Jul 26, 2017 6:33:11 GMT -5
So, it seems that the clubs that have ENPL also retain their RPL slots. Can someone explain how the heck they were able to do so, assuming that USYS would require a certain level of player for RPL, if most RPL players from last year's team are on the club's ENPL team?
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Post by Keeper on Jul 26, 2017 17:25:33 GMT -5
So, it seems that the clubs that have ENPL also retain their RPL slots. Can someone explain how the heck they were able to do so, assuming that USYS would require a certain level of player for RPL, if most RPL players from last year's team are on the club's ENPL team? SRPL spots are retained by the club, not the team. Been that way for as long as I can remember. It was probably established to help the smaller clubs keep their spots and not lose them when the bigger clubs poached their players away for greener pastures. Should be interesting to see how the SRPL standings look come November and if the smaller clubs can take advantage of the bigger clubs not playing their top talent.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 26, 2017 19:37:14 GMT -5
Its definitely going to be a cluster, however I think that ENPL will have a harder time competing with the already established boys DA. They will probably be able to pull RPL players but no one will leave DA to go play ENPL. Also for the clubs that don't have ENPL, there's regular NPL, winners of both leagues compete together in the national championships -- this means that a team can be in both RPL and NPL and go to the same championship and the ECNL boys. Let's hope in the coming years things get less confusing For what it is worth - I know several families with kids leaving DA for ECNL despite pre-tryout offers to return. Ability to play school soccer, do other sports, but still have ability to play at high level appealing to many. My son doesn't want DA if offered, but would take ECNL in a heartbeat so he can do track as well.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 26, 2017 19:39:44 GMT -5
Our son turned down DA because of the high school soccer rule. Fortunately he made an EPNL team. Since he played RPL last fall, we will have something to compare. Time will tell.
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