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Post by rifle on Jun 8, 2017 5:57:15 GMT -5
Best example I've heard is a coach who told a new kid (at the end of the first day): "you're a good player and I like you - but you aren't better than the players I already have, so you should try to find another team".
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 8, 2017 9:17:13 GMT -5
I think there lies the biggest problem -- kids should know exactly where they stand in Dec and Mid may. If they choose to still come out and tryout for a team they were not recommend for, that is on them.
No kid trying out at their same club should be confused. Especially kids that have been with the club since they were 7...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 8, 2017 9:31:40 GMT -5
Great points made. We also have to factor in us parents. I believe we as parents also contribute to this crazy phenomenon. Some parents want to live vicariously through their kids. Other parents put their kids on a pedestal and think they hung the moon. I know many other posters have said it before me, but we'll be lucky if one or two players per year go on to the professional ranks. Parents have the power to make things easy or difficult for their kids to a certain point. If the club or coach doesn't already, we always ask to meet with our coaches twice a year to talk about how the kids are progressing and whether they are on track to meet their goals. Usually, this is where we learn about the status of the player(s) and know what to do come tryout season. I also think clubs should do their best to give every kid a chance for success whether it be at their club or another. Some clubs do cuts on day 1, this gives these kids a chance to go somewhere else. Other than the real early years, you know who the good players are based on scouting or playing against them. Having said all that, a lot of coaches do need to learn the art of communication off the field. This is unfortunately a pay-to-play model so there is a certain degree of keeping the consumer/client/customer informed.
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Jun 8, 2017 10:53:50 GMT -5
Relieved tryouts coming to an end... With a couple of kids wanting to get on DA or ECNL, but also making sure they would have a place to play if not, way too much time spent at soccer fields. What amazes me (shouldn't by now, but still does), is how poorly some coaches manage much of this. Small sample... 1. Kids not told where they stand before tryouts 2. Weaker players show up at DA tryouts and not told after day 1 they are wasting their time so coming again 3. Current kids in club demoralized in the middle of sessions when they get "demoted" and moved to the weaker field without any conversation 4. Kids told in front of others they've made the team, but no word to the rest of the kids re what they should expect 5. Coaches blatantly ignoring play and talking to each other for long stretches - clear non-verbal clue that what's happening on field isn't important 6. Some kids new to club not getting any serious look and largely ignored unless parents/others have "pre-sold" their kids 7. ___ No wonder that drama ensues when communication is so poor at times. I never experienced anything like this playing from age 5 to 25 at various levels back in Europe. I got cut, promoted, moved sideways, etc - but most always never a surprise and most always done right. Amazed same not done here. Is this a function of "pay-to-play" or lack of training or what? Basic, direct and courteous communication can't be that hard... Here's a question. Is DA by invite only and if so, why are the kids invited to begin with if they shouldn't be there? Are the invites a way to 'make the kids feel good' by their current club or coach by sending their name in knowing they will be back... because the coach knows they aren't really good enough but the kid/mom/dad think they are or because the coach wants them to see?
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Post by Kick Goals 10 on Jun 8, 2017 11:08:15 GMT -5
I know most of the higher level teams have most of the roster figured out prior to tryouts. They look to see who returns on the first night. Then they usually have to commit that night to hold their spot. The the rest of tryouts is to fill just a few spots, based on who did not return, and what additional needs the team has. The coaches should tell the rest of the prospects that they are not going to make the cut after the first night. And, bubble players by the second night
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 8, 2017 11:54:00 GMT -5
Relieved tryouts coming to an end... With a couple of kids wanting to get on DA or ECNL, but also making sure they would have a place to play if not, way too much time spent at soccer fields. What amazes me (shouldn't by now, but still does), is how poorly some coaches manage much of this. Small sample... 1. Kids not told where they stand before tryouts 2. Weaker players show up at DA tryouts and not told after day 1 they are wasting their time so coming again 3. Current kids in club demoralized in the middle of sessions when they get "demoted" and moved to the weaker field without any conversation 4. Kids told in front of others they've made the team, but no word to the rest of the kids re what they should expect 5. Coaches blatantly ignoring play and talking to each other for long stretches - clear non-verbal clue that what's happening on field isn't important 6. Some kids new to club not getting any serious look and largely ignored unless parents/others have "pre-sold" their kids 7. ___ No wonder that drama ensues when communication is so poor at times. I never experienced anything like this playing from age 5 to 25 at various levels back in Europe. I got cut, promoted, moved sideways, etc - but most always never a surprise and most always done right. Amazed same not done here. Is this a function of "pay-to-play" or lack of training or what? Basic, direct and courteous communication can't be that hard... Here's a question. Is DA by invite only and if so, why are the kids invited to begin with if they shouldn't be there? Are the invites a way to 'make the kids feel good' by their current club or coach by sending their name in knowing they will be back... because the coach knows they aren't really good enough but the kid/mom/dad think they are or because the coach wants them to see? DA is not invite only. Only AUFC did that and one age group for UFA, the rest are open for everyone.
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Post by goteam on Jun 8, 2017 11:56:05 GMT -5
There is no excuse why they cannot communicate at a minimum: These are the kids we want to see return 2nd night . They are Numbers ,etc...
Does not matter if your kid is a "dreamer" or a new or old person at the club. Why wouldnt you do it this way? All the club is doing by not doing this way is negatively affecting the tryout process for the players and themselves. This year some Clubs did and some Clubs did not . Hopefully everyone will remember who respects players and their families and who does not.
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Post by oldboy on Jun 8, 2017 12:15:47 GMT -5
Most larger clubs have multiple levels on offer at any given age group. So a kid who may not make the DA team is not a kid the club wants to kick out of the club and the same is true down the levels. You hope the kids who don't make one level will be the top players at the level below the next year.
It should be a year-long communication process rather than a one-night chat kind of thing and for the most part I think the best coaches do just that.
Now it gets more complicated when you start talking about parents who don't necessarily agree with a coaching assessment and become dissatisfied even though the coach has been forthright.
In my experience coaches only get credit for communicating well when the message they are conveying matches up with the parent's own beliefs about their child.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 8, 2017 19:21:05 GMT -5
I'm hearing some positive stories, but many more negative ones. Rumors of entire ecnl teams leaving clubs etc. ex DA players scrambling for spots on classic 1 teams etc.
I'm not sure if people in small towns understand how good they have it not having to deal with this madness on an annual basis.
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Post by footy on Jun 9, 2017 18:37:25 GMT -5
Most larger clubs have multiple levels on offer at any given age group. So a kid who may not make the DA team is not a kid the club wants to kick out of the club and the same is true down the levels. You hope the kids who don't make one level will be the top players at the level below the next year. Yes I agree with this absolutely and this is very good for clubs as well as for kids who definitely want to stay at that club. The problem comes when a kid wants to play DA anywhere but is not offered a DA spot at their first choice club after being told to go to all 3 days of tryouts. Pretty much the only choice left at that point is to stick with the next team down at the same club (if they even make that one--it might actually be the third team down if tons of kids tried out) when they possibly could have made a higher team at a different club had they had the chance to be evaluated elsewhere. Why is this system so skewed toward the club's advantage? Asking for a friend LOL. Actually, many friends I know were in that situation this year.
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Post by Strikermom on Jun 11, 2017 21:19:28 GMT -5
Do other clubs post the new teams after tryouts like UFA, curious?
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Post by spectator on Jun 12, 2017 6:13:55 GMT -5
Do other clubs post the new teams after tryouts like UFA, curious? Yes but by tryout number not name. NTh, AFC, Cherokee Impact come to mind.
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Post by infoguy on Jun 12, 2017 6:48:20 GMT -5
They post them, but even today I wouldn't trust them to be accurate.
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Post by goteam on Jun 12, 2017 7:59:47 GMT -5
I'm hearing multiple kids still w/out club and also very talented DA / ECNL type kids taking Classic I because that's all they got left with. Trying to move teams/Clubs can be very tricky seems to me. It can either work out great or not well at all. It worked out well for our family however it could have easily turned out not well at all.
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Post by spectator on Jun 12, 2017 9:50:56 GMT -5
Do other clubs post the new teams after tryouts like UFA, curious? I see UFA Forsyth but not the other locations - Milton and Norcross. Curious because I heard some players our high school team moved - just being nosey LOL
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 12, 2017 11:34:05 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with being nosey...
I like that UFA does this, it lets you know where other kids land without having to ask families awkward questions about their children. Its transparent and the team rosters aren't a secret. I like this!!
From a logistic standpoint it helps as well, even other/previous years coaches can review the list to see where there old kids landed.
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Post by spectator on Jun 12, 2017 14:25:05 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with being nosey... I like that UFA does this, it lets you know where other kids land without having to ask families awkward questions about their children. Its transparent and the team rosters aren't a secret. I like this!! From a logistic standpoint it helps as well, even other/previous years coaches can review the list to see where there old kids landed. Apparently being nosey is subjective. I asked one friend how tryouts went and got the longest dissertation on what was wrong with the club and how this and that happened and honestly, I stopped listening because it was such a rant so I have no idea where the kid landed - pretty sure they are still at mega club but still on the same level team rather than getting moved up. Was talking to another friend who was as tight lipped as could be about where her kid would be playing as if it was some state secret. Honestly, I really don't care who is playing where - but a few of the underclassmen on our high school team were key players on the team and most were considering DA so if we lose all of them, it may not be worth it for my kid to play her senior year. But we have all fall to figure that out so I will cease asking who is where on what level and just go to the beach! LOL
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