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Post by hateallthesechanges on Jun 8, 2017 9:10:34 GMT -5
I don't understand how all these clubs are calling their teams a certain status already. I was under the impression that you submitted final rosters and then based on the players (and their previous level of play) on those rosters, status would be awarded/assigned.
Some examples I am hearing... Concorde Central 04 Girls saying their 3rd team will be RPL. The 1st team that was RPL this Spring came in last place. And if even they get to keep the spot, they now have DA and ECNL. So seems crazy to think their 3rd team would get to keep that spot.
NASA 03 Boys saying their now 2nd team will be RPL. Their 1st team did not have it it last year and I don't think even earned it in the Spring (5th place in league) and now their first team will be ECNL. So why would their 2nd team get it?
Many many more examples of coaches promising a certain status next year.
Curious are these wishful thinking promises or have their really already been guarantees to certain teams/clubs?
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Jun 8, 2017 9:51:27 GMT -5
DOC's and Coaches telling parents what they want to hear to get them in the door. The dust is going to settle in the fall like it always does. Some will be what they promised and others won't. Except Rec. Rec will be rec...though there is a hierarchy even there but not like this. Seems like we're pulling an elitest mentality into soccer even more.
Again, I kind of think - pulling top kids and putting them on a rec team will give kids a chance to have fun and the parents can hire their own coach. So, it's a win/win for everyone who says 'it's only about fun'.
Sorry, I think we all need to be honest here. No one pays this kind of money just for fun unless you have a few million in the bank and those people are probably the last ones to be posting on a forum like this.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 8, 2017 11:57:51 GMT -5
I don't understand how all these clubs are calling their teams a certain status already. I was under the impression that you submitted final rosters and then based on the players (and their previous level of play) on those rosters, status would be awarded/assigned. Some examples I am hearing... Concorde Central 04 Girls saying their 3rd team will be RPL. The 1st team that was RPL this Spring came in last place. And if even they get to keep the spot, they now have DA and ECNL. So seems crazy to think their 3rd team would get to keep that spot. NASA 03 Boys saying their now 2nd team will be RPL. Their 1st team did not have it it last year and I don't think even earned it in the Spring (5th place in league) and now their first team will be ECNL. So why would their 2nd team get it? Many many more examples of coaches promising a certain status next year. Curious are these wishful thinking promises or have their really already been guarantees to certain teams/clubs? They will usually base it on what level they had last year and how they did in the fall. I know our club posts what its supposed to be and if it winds up being higher then more power to them. Those two examples are certainly a stretch...especially the 2nd one
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Post by goteam on Jun 8, 2017 12:00:42 GMT -5
I don't understand how all these clubs are calling their teams a certain status already. I was under the impression that you submitted final rosters and then based on the players (and their previous level of play) on those rosters, status would be awarded/assigned. Some examples I am hearing... Concorde Central 04 Girls saying their 3rd team will be RPL. The 1st team that was RPL this Spring came in last place. And if even they get to keep the spot, they now have DA and ECNL. So seems crazy to think their 3rd team would get to keep that spot. NASA 03 Boys saying their now 2nd team will be RPL. Their 1st team did not have it it last year and I don't think even earned it in the Spring (5th place in league) and now their first team will be ECNL. So why would their 2nd team get it? Many many more examples of coaches promising a certain status next year. Curious are these wishful thinking promises or have their really already been guarantees to certain teams/clubs? Some Clubs , no all, over promise to get your player to come or stay at their club. Of course, when it does not work out then they will say we never promised you and if you don't like it , leave. We had this situation happen to us. We were told at both tryouts and once practices began what level the team would be on. Then it was announced and they were not at that level and were told We never promised you and if you don't like it - here is your money back-leave.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 8, 2017 12:08:12 GMT -5
I don't understand how all these clubs are calling their teams a certain status already. I was under the impression that you submitted final rosters and then based on the players (and their previous level of play) on those rosters, status would be awarded/assigned. Some examples I am hearing... Concorde Central 04 Girls saying their 3rd team will be RPL. The 1st team that was RPL this Spring came in last place. And if even they get to keep the spot, they now have DA and ECNL. So seems crazy to think their 3rd team would get to keep that spot. NASA 03 Boys saying their now 2nd team will be RPL. Their 1st team did not have it it last year and I don't think even earned it in the Spring (5th place in league) and now their first team will be ECNL. So why would their 2nd team get it? Many many more examples of coaches promising a certain status next year. Curious are these wishful thinking promises or have their really already been guarantees to certain teams/clubs? Some Clubs , no all, over promise to get your player to come or stay at their club. Of course, when it does not work out then they will say we never promised you and if you don't like it , leave. We had this situation happen to us. We were told at both tryouts and once practices began what level the team would be on. Then it was announced and they were not at that level and were told We never promised you and if you don't like it - here is your money back-leave. Our club posts it online along with the coaches projections
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Post by spectator on Jun 8, 2017 13:09:35 GMT -5
The big question is will GA Soccer enforce roster continuity this year? Last year they did not because of the birth year mandate - this year at least at some older girls ages, entire RPL teams have blown up but if the club keeps the spot, it really will be watered down beyond belief.
ON the boys side, I hope the ECNL clubs learn from the girls' mistake and don't treat the ECNL team as an addition but rather the replacement top team - meaning don't keep your RPL spots you can't maintain
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Post by infoguy on Jun 8, 2017 13:29:51 GMT -5
I will say these advertisements are fairly accurate in my experience.
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Post by goteam on Jun 8, 2017 15:00:34 GMT -5
The big question is will GA Soccer enforce roster continuity this year? Last year they did not because of the birth year mandate - this year at least at some older girls ages, entire RPL teams have blown up but if the club keeps the spot, it really will be watered down beyond belief. ON the boys side, I hope the ECNL clubs learn from the girls' mistake and don't treat the ECNL team as an addition but rather the replacement top team - meaning don't keep your RPL spots you can't maintain In what I have seen the age mandate, and the addition of DA caused havoc last year and it is just a bummer that for a 2nd year in a row the addition of ECNL level ECpL will yet again cause havoc. More teams getting split up , moving around , kids not getting properly placed etc.. frankly for us, i wish it would have happened many years before us or after us so we did not have to deal with it right in the prime years for our kid playing ball.
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Post by fandad on Jun 9, 2017 10:02:25 GMT -5
I don't understand how all these clubs are calling their teams a certain status already. I was under the impression that you submitted final rosters and then based on the players (and their previous level of play) on those rosters, status would be awarded/assigned. Some examples I am hearing... Concorde Central 04 Girls saying their 3rd team will be RPL. The 1st team that was RPL this Spring came in last place. And if even they get to keep the spot, they now have DA and ECNL. So seems crazy to think their 3rd team would get to keep that spot. NASA 03 Boys saying their now 2nd team will be RPL. Their 1st team did not have it it last year and I don't think even earned it in the Spring (5th place in league) and now their first team will be ECNL. So why would their 2nd team get it? Many many more examples of coaches promising a certain status next year. Curious are these wishful thinking promises or have their really already been guarantees to certain teams/clubs? CF combined north and south for their top team tryouts. For 04 girls, they will have DA, ECNL, and rpl. The north Elite team from last year was promoted to premier rpl. The central elite team from last year went to final four in state cup, and would therefore be eligible for 1st division, so there is no stretch for CF to say that the 3rd team will be RPL. It is possible that the 4th team will also be RPL, albeit 1st division.
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Post by futbolpapa on Jun 9, 2017 15:13:49 GMT -5
Not convinced CF can produce 3 competitive teams in DA, ECNL & RPL. The first two levels, yes but the Central Elite 04G team had no business in RPL this spring & their record showed it. Not to mention a poor showing in their own tourney in Feb. Plus, only reason they made final four at state cup was luck of the draw. Got in the easiest bracket by far. Overall, they just don't have the depth of talent as a UFA or TH and I think this fall will show that.
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Post by fandad on Jun 11, 2017 15:39:15 GMT -5
Not convinced CF can produce 3 competitive teams in DA, ECNL & RPL. The first two levels, yes but the Central Elite 04G team had no business in RPL this spring & their record showed it. Not to mention a poor showing in their own tourney in Feb. Plus, only reason they made final four at state cup was luck of the draw. Got in the easiest bracket by far. Overall, they just don't have the depth of talent as a UFA or TH and I think this fall will show that. To be honest, I'm not sure anyone has that much depth. TH will be essentially trotting out the navy team to rpl. (Who failed to advance through the same bracket that cf did advance through). The clubs with no DA or ecnl will be the strongest rpl teams most likely. RUSH will return almost all of their players from rpl.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 10:34:30 GMT -5
Any word on RPL schedule for the fall? What are the game locations again? Jacksonville, Greenville, Greensboro, Charleston, Chattanooga?
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Post by infoguy on Jul 13, 2017 11:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by arsenalfan15 on Jul 13, 2017 13:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 13, 2017 13:37:13 GMT -5
How does afc have 2 u15 boys teams playing rpl? I can't find the Gold II teams history???
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Post by atlcoach84 on Jul 13, 2017 14:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by footy on Jul 13, 2017 15:50:22 GMT -5
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Post by spectator on Jul 13, 2017 16:07:56 GMT -5
The numbers in some age groups are ridiculous - 7 and 8 teams from GA in RPL and SRPL? Who's left to play Classic and Athena now?
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Post by footy on Jul 13, 2017 16:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Jul 13, 2017 19:02:13 GMT -5
It's even better once "preliminary" brackets get posted. Clubs still continue to sell sell sell.
Last year one club said they felt good about a team being placed in CL2. Preliminary brackets said CL4. Club continued to say CL2, even at first parent meeting.. maybe 3. Ended up CL4.
Duh.
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Post by docnfulton on Jul 13, 2017 19:59:53 GMT -5
original question has become even more complicated last year and this year with the expansion of ecnl, da, rpl etc. As an Age Group Coordinator for the last several years, we start with roster continuity combined with requests each team makes. Some clubs are more accurate in the input and info they provide than others, the level they ask for. We typically have larger divisions in fall than spring to allow team results to clarify where a team should be. RPL is more rigid in how it works with the club holding the place rather than the team.
I cant speak to what coaches tell parents at Tryouts. I would say parents should have some common sense in what level to expect. If a team is 6th in the spring in CL3, then unlikely they will be CL2 in the fall. My own view is there is more parity than most DOCs would admit, but there has been little energy to change much in how Classic and Athena placement works. DA and ECNL may change things, although we will see.
I can say that it's not a fun role at times, although AGCs spend a tremendous number of hours helping coordinate and sort out all of this.
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Post by futbolfan on Jul 14, 2017 13:40:03 GMT -5
How does afc have 2 u15 boys teams playing rpl? I can't find the Gold II teams history??? It's probably Steve's U14 RPL team from CFS last season that followed him over to AFC.
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Post by touchlinedad on Jul 19, 2017 10:37:46 GMT -5
So we now have DA, ENCL/ENPL, RPL Premier, RPL 1st Division, and then Classic 1. I don't even know where National Premier League fits into this. Does anybody think there are enough players out there to support all these "elite" competitions? I don't think this is going to make things better over time.
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Post by infoguy on Jul 19, 2017 11:40:21 GMT -5
So, in my son's case, we are doing both RPL and NPL. It's supposed to be simultaneous, but I haven't even seen the RPL schedule yet - which would be a feat in itself.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jul 19, 2017 14:04:37 GMT -5
So we now have DA, ENCL/ENPL, RPL Premier, RPL 1st Division, and then Classic 1. I don't even know where National Premier League fits into this. Does anybody think there are enough players out there to support all these "elite" competitions? I don't think this is going to make things better over time. NL runs alongside with SRPL, its only 2 events. www.usyouthsoccer.org/national_league/201718_national_league_qualifiers/
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Post by Keeper on Jul 19, 2017 14:16:52 GMT -5
So we now have DA, ENCL/ENPL, RPL Premier, RPL 1st Division, and then Classic 1. I don't even know where National Premier League fits into this. Does anybody think there are enough players out there to support all these "elite" competitions? I don't think this is going to make things better over time. Well Region 3 did try to get rid of RPL 1st Division, but a majority of clubs voted against it. It is what it is though, it'll still be the same kids playing and now parents are paying out the wazoo for a new label. All while most college coaches don't care what new label you're playing under.
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