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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 18, 2017 11:39:43 GMT -5
Those who attended the ATL United vs Columbus Crew game last night, saw these 3 announced at halftime as new homegrowns contracts. Thats 5 total now right - these 3 plus Carleton and Goslin Given all this hoopla on partner youth clubs etc, would have been nice to give a shot out to Ambush, Decatur and GA United (not sure where patrick played prior to GA United). I don't see those clubs names listed anywhere in the stories. Does this also mean Kunga is not going to Furman? www.atlutd.com/post/2017/06/17/three-atlanta-united-academy-players-sign-professional-contracts
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Post by dad on Jun 18, 2017 11:57:45 GMT -5
What club is Georgia United?
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Post by gaprospects on Jun 18, 2017 13:24:40 GMT -5
I love the contrast between the three clubs that they arrived at AU from.
- An alliance of some of the biggest and best youth clubs in the metro area - A club run by a city parks and rec department - The YMCA
All 3 were able to develop a player good enough to be signed to an MLS club, and all three players were signed at the same time.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 18, 2017 14:18:05 GMT -5
I love the contrast between the three clubs that they arrived at AU from. - An alliance of some of the biggest and best youth clubs in the metro area - A club run by a city parks and rec department - The YMCA All 3 were able to develop a player good enough to be signed to an MLS club, and all three players were signed at the same time. Yep but none of those clubs will get a dime, publicity, or acknowledgement that they developed those kids. It'll all be because of AUFC.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 18, 2017 14:57:34 GMT -5
I love the contrast between the three clubs that they arrived at AU from. - An alliance of some of the biggest and best youth clubs in the metro area - A club run by a city parks and rec department - The YMCA All 3 were able to develop a player good enough to be signed to an MLS club, and all three players were signed at the same time. great points!!!
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Post by soccerdad1 on Jun 18, 2017 16:13:40 GMT -5
I associate GB being with west ga/SSA more than ambush.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 18, 2017 20:32:06 GMT -5
Class act
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Post by spectator on Jun 18, 2017 20:49:59 GMT -5
The blurbs about them as they were introduced were good but I also notices the absence of any reference to a club prior to AU. I did think it was well done though - all three looked humbled, happy and so appreciative of the opportunity. I wish them well and look forward to seeing them back here.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 19, 2017 9:42:16 GMT -5
anyone know what ever happened with Juan Pablo Torres. He used to be the poster child for GA United and was I think even a captain of one of the youth national teams?
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 20, 2017 7:24:48 GMT -5
I heard he is playing in Belgium
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Post by toonarmy on Jun 20, 2017 10:51:27 GMT -5
I love the contrast between the three clubs that they arrived at AU from. - An alliance of some of the biggest and best youth clubs in the metro area - A club run by a city parks and rec department - The YMCA All 3 were able to develop a player good enough to be signed to an MLS club, and all three players were signed at the same time. Yep but none of those clubs will get a dime, publicity, or acknowledgement that they developed those kids. It'll all be because of AUFC. Publicity and Acknowledgement for the clubs -> I'm sure they can toot their own horn on the development of these players. Not receiving a dime -> I don't believe that any pay to play club should receive any financial consideration for players that go through their programs. The kid's parents have paid for their training. If clubs want a cut of any future transfer fees for players that go through their programs then the pay to play model needs to be changed.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 21, 2017 8:18:54 GMT -5
Here is the HLN piece on Kunga and Patrick Okonkwo
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Post by paterfamilias on Jun 21, 2017 8:39:31 GMT -5
Yep but none of those clubs will get a dime, publicity, or acknowledgement that they developed those kids. It'll all be because of AUFC. Publicity and Acknowledgement for the clubs -> I'm sure they can toot their own horn on the development of these players. Not receiving a dime -> I don't believe that any pay to play club should receive any financial consideration for players that go through their programs. The kid's parents have paid for their training. If clubs want a cut of any future transfer fees for players that go through their programs then the pay to play model needs to be changed. Re: pay to play clubs - I agree with you in principle. The nuanced part of this though is that many clubs have a scholarship fund to assist in the player development. It would be a nice gesture for ATLUND to acknowledge this with a contribution to such a fund so that the clubs will continue to make those decisions and allow other kids the opportunities that they might not have had otherwise. It would not have to be a large amount, but something moderate could garner ATLUND more goodwill to add to its already impressive impact in the Atlanta soccer community
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Post by rifle on Jun 21, 2017 17:11:22 GMT -5
Clubs should absolutely get FIFA training compensation. Total payments made by parents should be refunded off the top, and clubs keep the rest as a proper reward/incentive.
This would require clubs to keep accurate books, though so it'll never happen.
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Post by touchlinedad on Jun 21, 2017 17:35:53 GMT -5
Yep but none of those clubs will get a dime, publicity, or acknowledgement that they developed those kids. It'll all be because of AUFC. Publicity and Acknowledgement for the clubs -> I'm sure they can toot their own horn on the development of these players. Not receiving a dime -> I don't believe that any pay to play club should receive any financial consideration for players that go through their programs. The kid's parents have paid for their training. If clubs want a cut of any future transfer fees for players that go through their programs then the pay to play model needs to be changed. I guarantee you that Lagos did not pay to play but rather was the beneficiary of scholarships from DDY and support from a variety of friends, parents and coaches who were happy to see him flourish. Any club, however, would benefit greatly from FIFA compensation payments as it would allow them to continue expand their programs and offer more scholarships to players who cannot afford the insane pay to play system that we have now.
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Post by toonarmy on Jun 22, 2017 13:23:55 GMT -5
Publicity and Acknowledgement for the clubs -> I'm sure they can toot their own horn on the development of these players. Not receiving a dime -> I don't believe that any pay to play club should receive any financial consideration for players that go through their programs. The kid's parents have paid for their training. If clubs want a cut of any future transfer fees for players that go through their programs then the pay to play model needs to be changed. I guarantee you that Lagos did not pay to play but rather was the beneficiary of scholarships from DDY and support from a variety of friends, parents and coaches who were happy to see him flourish. Any club, however, would benefit greatly from FIFA compensation payments as it would allow them to continue expand their programs and offer more scholarships to players who cannot afford the insane pay to play system that we have now. Not arguing with the fact that clubs would not benefit from compensation payments, but don't agree that they should receive them so long as they continue with a pay to play model. Simply crediting back the parents of the kids that "make it" sounds like having your cake and eating it too! Compensation works for the rest of the world where clubs are NOT run to enrich those within the club. Often times they are working on shoestring budgets with volunteer coaches with little to no contribution from the players other than money to cover field maintenance, uniforms and referees. Change the system here so that inclusion is not based on your ability to pay and then I would agree that the clubs would be entitled to that compensation.
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Post by paterfamilias on Jun 22, 2017 14:57:39 GMT -5
I believe that in the rest of the world many clubs are run in a manner in which they provide jobs (both full-time and part-time) to coaches and others. I don't consider that enriching those within the club. I think that is a simple profit motive that gets people who might otherwise have pursued different careers to participate in youth soccer. It is always a good way to weed out coaches who are not so good. You stop paying them. At the heart of the matter, soccer is a huge business and it provides an honorable living to a lot of people. I think compensation is a good component. Especially since the clubs themselves are making money. Here is an interesting article from last summer about the topic. www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/01/25/training-compensation-solidarity-us-soccer-mls
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Post by gaprospects on Jun 23, 2017 9:16:33 GMT -5
Look I don't want to be negative about a bunch of 15 to 18 year olds, but when your signed and going to sign home grown contracts for real cash - it's fair. None of the home growns played very well today. Was shocked that even carelton was off his game, he's usually dominant with every touch. I didnt think any of them stood out over the players on their own and the opposing team. Bello showed some signs of flash and unreal pace getting forward but didn't seem committed to defense. Patrick's goal obviously was nice(which I did not see). I expected dominance from all these guys. The 18s did dominate possession, but felt LA missed a few easy chances. I was surprised at how much coaching TA was doing all game. Just because the team has a couple of kids on professional deals doesn't make that team head and shoulders above everyone else. Even FC Dallas started 3 homegrown players yesterday and lost to Beachside. At the playoffs, every team is good and has earned their place there, and no team is carried by one or two players. Throughout the year, while Patrick and Lagos have been key players for AU's 18's, they haven't been the only guys. The 18's are a well-rounded team, so expecting dominance from the couple of guys who got signed doesn't give enough credit to the other guys on the team. Same with the 16's.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 23, 2017 9:46:54 GMT -5
Thats part of the frustrating thing about soccer, the other players can be just as good as they players getting signed, getting the notoriety, etc.
Carleton is usually dominant though and typically stands out. Even with the national teams, every touch he has is extremely dangerous. Rarely, have I watched him, where you weren't blown away by his ability and soccer IQ. He looked a little off yesterday for sure, probably a little nerves, I don't think hes played with that team in a while. I'll give LAs right back credit, the kid with the white hair, he came to play and made a point not to get beat.
Patrick has been scoring goals like this for years, kid just has knack for putting the ball in the back of the net.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 2, 2017 22:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Aug 3, 2017 6:55:01 GMT -5
That's awesome!
Since Georgia United was gobbled up by Atlanta United.. I wonder if Atlanta United will claim his FIFA mandated training compensation payment (before US Soccer steals it (you know, to protect the players)).
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 3, 2017 7:58:25 GMT -5
But was he still there when it was gobbled up? He never played for Atlanta United is what I heard...he didn't want to. I guess this is to show us there are different paths for the kids to achieve their dreams
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Post by atlcoach84 on Aug 3, 2017 18:31:29 GMT -5
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