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Post by Keeper on Jul 7, 2017 0:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Jul 7, 2017 6:33:07 GMT -5
It's extreme but I totally understand it.
In my opinion, the sooner Soccer amends the laws to require Rugby-like referee communication and respect, the better.
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Post by randomparent on Jul 7, 2017 6:39:31 GMT -5
When my kids played church basketball this past winter there was a lot of cheering and excitement during the game. Imagining that basketball tournament as a library sounds stupid to me. I don't know why soccer acts like they are different, go to any sports youth game. Maybe the ATL UTD game should ban cheering also, since really the games don't mean anything.
If you want to ban obnoxious yelling I get it. There are parents that cross the line, the ref should send them away and if they don't go cancel the game.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jul 7, 2017 7:19:58 GMT -5
I am all for parents not yelling dumb stuff on the sidelines, but a silent game?? No thank you
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 7, 2017 9:46:12 GMT -5
Yea seen this before --
Soon we will need crowd noise signs like golf or crowd silence like tennis.
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Post by jash on Jul 7, 2017 12:04:23 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of punishing everyone to solve the problems of a few.
Punish the few with a rapidly escalating scale. It's a little harder to manage, but significantly less extreme. Not cheer when your team scores a goal or comes up with a big save? Not likely to work even if it weren't over the top.
I get that it's short-term, but do it for opening weekend if you really feel it's necessary. A whole month is... really extreme.
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Post by rocko1989 on Jul 7, 2017 18:51:35 GMT -5
In the late 90s or early 2000s Georgia did this a couple of weekends. I don't remember if it was one weekend a season or more, yet those weekends were great.
It stopped all the insane and ignorant coaching from parents, and there was no referee criticism.
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Post by fan on Jul 7, 2017 22:01:44 GMT -5
A month does seem extreme but I think it's good to see an organization step up to try to do something about crappy (and sometimes threatening) behavior.
Towards the end of every week during the season I receive emails from ref assignors trying to fill games for the upcoming weekend. Typically it's not 1-2 spots they are trying to fill but sometimes 10-15 games per club that don't have a full crew.
Would you want someone standing 5 feet away from you at work screaming at you and criticizing the job you're doing? Imagine if you're 14 and a new ref trying to gain experience and an adult is doing that to you. It's no wonder SC wants to do something about it.
At high school games there is an announcement before the games about sportsmanship which is ignored by at least a few parents at all the games I've seen. An announcement isn't enough. At least those games are usually reffed by adults and the parents are a bit further from the field.
I'm curious to hear from my SC friends about how this goes. I'd be perfectly happy to watch some games in silence if it really helps to reduce the poor behavior for the long term.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jul 8, 2017 6:24:46 GMT -5
GA Soccer implemented a Silent Saturday a number of years ago and asked all clubs to encourage their parents to abide by it. I have to be honest and say it was one of the best experiences in all my years of Coaching.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 8, 2017 12:18:32 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of punishing everyone to solve the problems of a few. Punish the few with a rapidly escalating scale. It's a little harder to manage, but significantly less extreme. Not cheer when your team scores a goal or comes up with a big save? Not likely to work even if it weren't over the top. I get that it's short-term, but do it for opening weekend if you really feel it's necessary. A whole month is... really extreme.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 8, 2017 12:22:06 GMT -5
I agree. Deal with the parents who are the problem. It's not difficult for a center ref to stop the game go to the offending coaches bench to warn them to handle it or the parents will be removed. If that doesn't work kick them out. I will cheer on my player appropriately but will not choose to be silent. That's just not reasonable or enforceable. I'd love to see them start kicking parents out when they don't comply...
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Post by alacrity174 on Jul 11, 2017 11:04:50 GMT -5
I agree. Deal with the parents who are the problem. It's not difficult for a center ref to stop the game go to the offending coaches bench to warn them to handle it or the parents will be removed. If that doesn't work kick them out. I will cheer on my player appropriately but will not choose to be silent. That's just not reasonable or enforceable. I'd love to see them start kicking parents out when they don't comply... I'm all for removing the badly behaving parents but why are we putting this on the referee? The clubs should have a Field Marshall for this and not put the refs in a bad position, how do you think a 15 year old will deal with an unruly parent and then add in the stoppage time incurred which won't get played as on a weekend there is no wiggle room for games, now everyone is cheesed off as the teams only got a 30 minute half instead of 40 because a parent refused to leave. Every team knows who that parent is, if peer pressure doesn't work the club should be the enforcer not the ref, who is there to ensure the game is played within the LOTG not act as a kindergarten teacher.
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Post by mark on Jul 11, 2017 13:19:40 GMT -5
Most of this can be solved very easily.
1. Don't tell the players what to do when they get the ball. 2. Every contact is not a foul 3. Every time the ball hits a hand it is not a hand ball.
It would make for a more enjoyable two hours of your day.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 11, 2017 13:24:21 GMT -5
mark you forgot one 4. don't scream offside every-time the opposing team gets the ball on our defensive half of the field.
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Post by mark on Jul 11, 2017 15:40:15 GMT -5
mark you forgot one 4. don't scream offside every-time the opposing team gets the ball on our defensive half of the field. True. I'm sure we can make this list much longer.
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Post by newposter on Jul 11, 2017 15:42:51 GMT -5
Most of this can be solved very easily. 1. Don't tell the players what to do when they get the ball. 2. Every contact is not a foul 3. Every time the ball hits a hand it is not a hand ball. It would make for a more enjoyable two hours of your day.
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Post by newposter on Jul 11, 2017 15:45:06 GMT -5
Referees control the field so stop the game. Tell the coach to control the parent. If they continue remove the parent. This is true of all sports not just soccer.
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Post by rifle on Jul 11, 2017 17:04:12 GMT -5
Every team knows who that parent is, if peer pressure doesn't work the club should be the enforcer not the ref, who is there to ensure the game is played within the LOTG not act as a kindergarten teacher. This is so true. Watch games that your kids are not playing in. You'll see behavior that is astounding and embarrassing.
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Post by mark on Jul 11, 2017 20:11:47 GMT -5
mark you forgot one 4. don't scream offside every-time the opposing team gets the ball on our defensive half of the field. 5. Don't criticize the play of someone else's kid.
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Post by spectator on Jul 11, 2017 21:40:45 GMT -5
GA ODP does this for subregionals and its my favorite time of the soccer year. The players love it because they can hear each other and the coaches. It's not silent as in "shhh - no talking in the library' silent but just no screaming about handballs, fouls, offside, etc. Even goal celebrations are muted - as the former state coordinator used to say 'act like you've been in the end zone before' - it was a refreshing change to typical youth games. I'm all for it
My own kid quit refereeing three years ago after being screamed at by Top Hat dads and a couple of crazy NASA coaches at an Academy tournament. She said it wasn't worth it and when I kept trying to get her to continue, her response was would I want to work at a place where I was constantly yelled at? Had to concede that point to her. Something has to give - if a couple of 'silent Saturdays' will start it off - I'm game!
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Post by spectator on Jul 11, 2017 22:36:43 GMT -5
I agree. Deal with the parents who are the problem. It's not difficult for a center ref to stop the game go to the offending coaches bench to warn them to handle it or the parents will be removed. If that doesn't work kick them out. I will cheer on my player appropriately but will not choose to be silent. That's just not reasonable or enforceable. I'd love to see them start kicking parents out when they don't comply... I'm all for removing the badly behaving parents but why are we putting this on the referee? The clubs should have a Field Marshall for this and not put the refs in a bad position, how do you think a 15 year old will deal with an unruly parent and then add in the stoppage time incurred which won't get played as on a weekend there is no wiggle room for games, now everyone is cheesed off as the teams only got a 30 minute half instead of 40 because a parent refused to leave. Every team knows who that parent is, if peer pressure doesn't work the club should be the enforcer not the ref, who is there to ensure the game is played within the LOTG not act as a kindergarten teacher. ^^^^^YES YES YES^^^^^^ The policing of parents has to start with the club and coach first. IF it escalates to the point of a referee stopping a game to remove a parent, its' out of hand. Love the ides of a Field Marshall at regular season games - they have them at tournaments, why not at all games? In my fantasy world where I fix all that is wrong with youth soccer, every single select team would be mandated to have at least one parent/player certified referee to help combat the shortage. Obviously not to ref their own games but when you have skin in the game - being a referee or parent of one and seeing first hand the ridiculousness on the sidelines - you are more likely not to be that parent or to police your own team when you see parents crossing the line.
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