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Post by asigere on Aug 13, 2017 6:57:56 GMT -5
I am parent who has decided to transfer my 2 boys from one club to another.The season want srarted yet. The club we are at is asking for us to pay the entire academy fees before to them and then again we will have to pay at the other club. Is this legal? Does anyone know how to go about doing this?
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Post by rifle on Aug 13, 2017 10:36:13 GMT -5
Unless the reason to leave is "we've moved" (your residence) or the coach is literally abusive or something, you are probably out of luck here. But I recommend you call the state soccer office and discuss it, to get the straight scoop.
It sucks, but as far as I know - based only on word of mouth, NOT experience - this is normal. Each club assigns and pays coaches and denies (other) players a spot on the team - all based on your commitment to the team. If you change your mind, it's not really helping them and it may "actually" be a hardship.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 13, 2017 10:54:50 GMT -5
I think all clubs have a no refund clause. And its my understanding no one will release you unless you're paid in full.
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Post by newposter on Aug 13, 2017 11:53:41 GMT -5
State won't get involved unless you've moved or you have an ethics complaint. You will have to pay all fees to the club you signed with. The club may release you but doesn't mean they will allow you to transfer. It's two different things. The club you signed with originally has control over where you go. They may let you go to a smaller less competitive club but won't sign transfer to a rival club. Again in the transfer process the state won't get involved. We went through this. We finally were released but missed the first 2 games until club signed transfer. We had to agree our player would also not play against his former club that season. It's best to work with your current club DOC.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 13, 2017 12:16:40 GMT -5
State won't get involved unless you've moved or you have an ethics complaint. You will have to pay all fees to the club you signed with. The club may release you but doesn't mean they will allow you to transfer. It's two different things. The club you signed with originally has control over where you go. They may let you go to a smaller less competitive club but won't sign transfer to a rival club. Again in the transfer process the state won't get involved. We went through this. We finally were released but missed the first 2 games until club signed transfer. We had to agree our player would also not play against his former club that season. It's best to work with your current club DOC. If you're paid in full they cant stop you from transferring. My friend's son did it last year and went to a bigger club, his old club has been paid in full so they didn't have a choice. They didn't like it and try to delay it but that's when GA Soccer stepped in, i believe it took about 2 weeks
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Post by newposter on Aug 13, 2017 12:40:16 GMT -5
Not our experience when we went through the process. We were already paid in full. State did not get involved. I reached out to Ga Soccer. They said it was up to the club. I stayed in communication with the club DOC. Eventually we received a transfer. Again it's a two step process.
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Post by paterfamilias on Aug 13, 2017 19:36:15 GMT -5
If you've already signed the club contact (which by now, I'm sure you have) then that is a legal document. You could ask the new club to give you a fee break due to the hardship of changing clubs. (It could happen - they know the rules).
You can also file an ethical complaint against your current club. Not sure what grounds you'd have but it could work.
Unfortunately you'll have to really make yourself a PIA with the old club to get any relief. You could also try sweet talking the administration if that is more your style. Which ever works for you.
Go to the board whatever you do. Please your case rationally and then take action from there. Stay calm but firm and focused.
Good luck.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Aug 13, 2017 19:44:35 GMT -5
If you've already signed the club contact (which by now, I'm sure you have) then that is a legal document. You could ask the new club to give you a fee break due to the hardship of changing clubs. (It could happen - they know the rules). You can also file an ethical complaint against your current club. Not sure what grounds you'd have but it could work. Unfortunately you'll have to really make yourself a PIA with the old club to get any relief. You could also try sweet talking the administration if that is more your style. Which ever works for you. Go to the board whatever you do. Please your case rationally and then take action from there. Stay calm but firm and focused. Good luck.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Aug 13, 2017 19:49:46 GMT -5
Last poster is correct. It is up to the club. They don't have to release your child. They can also release you but not allow you to transfer. They control the player card. No receiving club will get involved until you have gotten released and permission to transfer. They can get into trouble with Ga Soccer if they do get involved without at least having a release documented. This is noted on Ga Soccer. Every club has a process but again it is completely up to them if they choose to act on your request.
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Post by spectator on Aug 13, 2017 21:17:34 GMT -5
Hang on - OP said ACADEMY not Select - do the same rules apply? We had kids leave and come into Academy programs all the time from U9 through U12 and it wasn't a big deal because it's a pooled group of players not a set roster.
Is Academy different or the same as what they enforce in Select?
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Post by Keeper on Aug 14, 2017 22:08:05 GMT -5
Hang on - OP said ACADEMY not Select - do the same rules apply? We had kids leave and come into Academy programs all the time from U9 through U12 and it wasn't a big deal because it's a pooled group of players not a set roster. Is Academy different or the same as what they enforce in Select? Yes. Academy players are select players. They go through the same tryout process and have to abide by the same rules as the other select players. Academy is a name like Athena and Classic, not like Select and Rec.
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Post by spectator on Aug 14, 2017 22:24:35 GMT -5
Hang on - OP said ACADEMY not Select - do the same rules apply? We had kids leave and come into Academy programs all the time from U9 through U12 and it wasn't a big deal because it's a pooled group of players not a set roster. Is Academy different or the same as what they enforce in Select? Yes. Academy players are select players. They go through the same tryout process and have to abide by the same rules as the other select players. Academy is a name like Athena and Classic, not like Select and Rec. OK but I don't think transferring from Academy to Academy is as strict as leaving a set roster. A DOC would have to be a complete jerk to force an 8-11 year old to stay with a club if they found a better option elsewhere - and this is coming from me - who has massive issues with those who try to transfer mid season from a set U13 and above roster because that negatively affects a group on that roster and can completely blow up a team. BTDT! Academy play is pooled - there should be enough players to make up teams if one or two decide to quit or move. To the OP - talk to the coach or DOC at the club you are with now and explain the situation - they will most likely work with you - and if not - then you know not to return there next year.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 15, 2017 7:28:29 GMT -5
Yea, it sucks! But that's the deal when you sign up -- commitment for a year. I know some that have filed grievances against the clubs for not being allowed to be released even after paying in full. The club then immediately stated the kid could be released, process took some time, typically the grievances were dropped, but I know a few that proceeded to hearings.
the sad part is when these giant clubs with hundreds of kids in a age group don't release a 10 year old for example. There response typically is "well if we released one, we would have to release everyone, and we can't be a position to do that"
If you push hard enough, they will release you.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 15, 2017 9:01:26 GMT -5
Yes. Academy players are select players. They go through the same tryout process and have to abide by the same rules as the other select players. Academy is a name like Athena and Classic, not like Select and Rec. OK but I don't think transferring from Academy to Academy is as strict as leaving a set roster. A DOC would have to be a complete jerk to force an 8-11 year old to stay with a club if they found a better option elsewhere - and this is coming from me - who has massive issues with those who try to transfer mid season from a set U13 and above roster because that negatively affects a group on that roster and can completely blow up a team. BTDT! Academy play is pooled - there should be enough players to make up teams if one or two decide to quit or move. To the OP - talk to the coach or DOC at the club you are with now and explain the situation - they will most likely work with you - and if not - then you know not to return there next year. I get what you're saying. I mean these are kids, but the rules are all the same for select players no matter the level. (academy, classic, RPL) And not all clubs use a pooled system. A majority of them still use the individual team system, and some declare each individual team to GA Soccer.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 16, 2017 13:09:11 GMT -5
Ok but I don't think transferring from Academy to Academy is as strict as leaving a set roster. A DOC would have to be a complete jerk to force an 8-11 year old to stay with a club if they found a better option elsewhere - and this is coming from me - who has massive issues with those who try to transfer mid season from a set U13 and above roster because that negatively affects a group on that roster and can completely blow up a team. BTDT! Academy play is pooled - there should be enough players to make up teams if one or two decide to quit or move. To the OP - talk to the coach or DOC at the club you are with now and explain the situation - they will most likely work with you - and if not - then you know not to return there next year. Last year one of our players went to a club down the road after being offered a lot better experience and promised a lot of things. When he started practice instead of 30-35 kids and 3 teams it ended up being 50-60 kids and 3 teams maybe 4 with people getting drawn out of hats to see if they got to go to a tournament or not with a particular team. It was a mess and not what they signed up for. The mother complained to the DOC, and while they tried to keep her there they eventually relented, and didn't want to force a kid to play in a place they didn't want to be. So after paying half the fees, they released and allowed transfer back to our club and his old team. They ended up having to pay more money in the long run, but it was a happy ending for all involved I suppose. I think it bodes as a lesson learned though. The grass is not always greener on the otherside, and to take all promises clubs make with a grain of salt.
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Post by Strikermom on Sept 1, 2017 8:37:44 GMT -5
Curious how this situation turned out for you asigere?? Where you released from the club you wanted to leave?
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