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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 12:08:53 GMT -5
Listen I"m all for open play, and just letting kids play and scrimmage and not be afraid to make mistakes etc.
But why am I paying for 3 nights of training if one of the nights is just the coaches sitting down on a bench with their buddy shooting the sh*t while the kids scrimmage for an hour and half and they don't pay attention.
If this is how its going to be and is part of their developmental plan --- than just us hit up for 2 nights, and have the 3rd night just be an open night of mandatory scrimmages etc with a volunteer over seeing the field.
Its not about the money, really, its the principle of it.
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Post by Keeper on Oct 13, 2017 12:13:37 GMT -5
Sounds like a bad club, tryouts in June are just around the corner so start looking for a club that focuses on coaching and not just getting paid.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Oct 13, 2017 12:37:07 GMT -5
Sounds like a bad club, tryouts in June are just around the corner so start looking for a club that focuses on coaching and not just getting paid. What is it that makes it a bad club in your eyes? Is it the charging for 3 practices instead of 2? or is it that they have open play on one the nights? fyi, I'm not related to whatever club this person is referencing, ours doens't have an open night.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 13, 2017 13:03:22 GMT -5
Is it standard to get 3 nights of training with a Select team? Is it a true night of training with the same coach, same team? Or just a 3rd night of something like open play, technical training, or speed and agility that might be run in a larger group setting?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 13, 2017 13:13:23 GMT -5
No question is a huge flaw with DA. So much structure, mandatory minimum 4 nights of training etc. I hear rumors of 5 nights of training at certain clubs. Scale back go 2 or 3 nights with a night dedicated to just free play, pickup.
When was the last time you saw a bunch of DA players playing a pick up game.
Kids are off on a weekend, no games, what happens -- coach schedules either a formal training session or scrimmage as replacement.
No, open the damn fields, and just let the kids play. throw down something for goals, and play. A coach shouldn't be within 20 miles of these session. Let the kids play, have fun and enjoy the game without the fear of getting yelled out or traumatized because they couldn't trap a terrible pass.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Oct 13, 2017 14:22:21 GMT -5
No question is a huge flaw with DA. So much structure, mandatory minimum 4 nights of training etc. I hear rumors of 5 nights of training at certain clubs. Scale back go 2 or 3 nights with a night dedicated to just free play, pickup. When was the last time you saw a bunch of DA players playing a pick up game. Kids are off on a weekend, no games, what happens -- coach schedules either a formal training session or scrimmage as replacement. No, open the damn fields, and just let the kids play. throw down something for goals, and play. A coach shouldn't be within 20 miles of these session. Let the kids play, have fun and enjoy the game without the fear of getting yelled out or traumatized because they couldn't trap a terrible pass. Agreed. I'm sure some of you have seen the Pulisic '60 minutes' interview where they say he only did 2 nights a week growing up. Instead our system doubles down again and again thinking quantity of training is more important than quality of training. Maybe they think they have to justify the outrageous cost by coaching more days... IDK!! I'm just a frustrated dad watching what once was a fun, enjoyable sport being changed into a stressful, all-or-nothing, business world.
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Post by soccerballz on Oct 13, 2017 15:52:26 GMT -5
Pulisic is a huge exception. He was described as a perfectionist and probably compulsive by his mother. You don't think all those days he wasn't at a formal practice, he was in his back yard obsessing about juggling footwork and striking. How many of our kids work on these things on their own and can't put the Playstation controller down. What we need are soccer fields in the community that are not locked and not associated with any club that anyone can just go to and play. If something like this exists in metro Atlanta, please let me know. I'll take my kid in a sec. Freedom to be creative in a non stressed environment would be great.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 13, 2017 16:06:02 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, this thread was about 3 nights of training and having an open night for just pick up games. However, as is usually the case, it quickly moved on to issues with DA. I'm curious, what do you think boys in the area should do? I thought DA was supposed to be the highest level of play? Should the boys ignore DA and go the route of boys ECNL, SRPL, RPL, NL? Or are they better suited with playing regular select games. I think the Pulisic interview definitely strengthened my belief system. Which is you, as the parent along with your child's needs, decide your course of action. If your child needs less technical training, then do more open play, if they lack conditioning then go that route. We do have issues within DA/ECNL/NL/RPL/etc... however just as quickly as you find parents happy with any of these league play will you find those who are unhappy with it. Then again, what is your end game? Is it for you child to play the sport at a high level, as an activity, college or pro? What we have to be careful of is equating our myriad of circumstances with that of others. Returning to the example of Pulisic, remember, both his parents played soccer and his dad coaches. He played in the DA system, the local club system, in the UK and with a local professional team. Plus let's not forget he completely chose to bypass the black hole that we call college soccer.
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Post by fan on Oct 13, 2017 19:24:15 GMT -5
Listen I"m all for open play, and just letting kids play and scrimmage and not be afraid to make mistakes etc. But why am I paying for 3 nights of training if one of the nights is just the coaches sitting down on a bench with their buddy shooting the sh*t while the kids scrimmage for an hour and half and they don't pay attention. If this is how its going to be and is part of their developmental plan --- than just us hit up for 2 nights, and have the 3rd night just be an open night of mandatory scrimmages etc with a volunteer over seeing the field. Its not about the money, really, its the principle of it. Did the club make it known upfront that the 3rd night would be open play? I pay more for one of my kids to play at a small club that practices twice a week than I do for the kid at the bigger club that practices three times a week. I could look at it as if the small club was ripping us off but they were upfront about their fees and the number of practices so we knew what we were getting into. Volunteer oversight of open play sounds good but volunteers are usually in shorter supply than we'd like at clubs (and it might be a liability issue too with no oversight by people paid by the club).
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Post by zizou on Oct 13, 2017 20:41:22 GMT -5
Open play with the coaches downing spiked Starbucks and paying no attention might mean better quality soccer for your kids during that 90 minutes. Think of it as renting the fields. Thank the soccer gods these coaches are uninvolved!
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Post by goteam on Oct 17, 2017 17:32:54 GMT -5
It's just a crap coach with a club that looks the other way. They are in the business of making money not developing. Until they have pushback from the MAJORITY of parents who threaten to take their kids and their money to another club.. you will have to sit there and take it. It does not work if it is just 2 or 3 parents.. that's just a thorn in their side and they won't care. It has to be 90% all in. You truly have to select a team for your kid based on the coach. Not the club , not the level of play, not the teammates but the actual coach. Based on what I have seen you have about a 1 in 6 shot of getting someone who cares and is all in. Good Luck!
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Post by alacrity174 on Oct 20, 2017 12:31:48 GMT -5
Pulisic is a huge exception. He was described as a perfectionist and probably compulsive by his mother. You don't think all those days he wasn't at a formal practice, he was in his back yard obsessing about juggling footwork and striking. How many of our kids work on these things on their own and can't put the Playstation controller down. What we need are soccer fields in the community that are not locked and not associated with any club that anyone can just go to and play. If something like this exists in metro Atlanta, please let me know. I'll take my kid in a sec. Freedom to be creative in a non stressed environment would be great. To be honest you don't need the soccer specific fields open all you need if you are a kid wanting to play is a ball and some shirts etc to mark out a goal. Yeah you can use cones or something for lines but mostly it is a big open field and some form of goal. The big thing is for the kids to want to play, 10 year old playing with 15 year olds, watching and l;earning, tying moves out, having fun. This in the end will make better players. Even a wall somewhere at home where you can kick a bal against and practice trapping etc is a good start, unfortunately most homes don't even have this
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