pluto
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Post by pluto on May 17, 2019 10:27:32 GMT -5
If you know the answer please share with me .
1. My understanding is an SCCL club’s second team must be SCCL. For example , if club XYZ has ecnl , the next team has to be sccl. Correct ?
2. If a club tried to have a NL team also , would that team be the team below the SCCL team ? Or could the club allow the NL team but be #2 and the SCCL team be the third team ?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2019 10:30:36 GMT -5
There is no mandate that the SCCL be the 2nd team (not the case at NTH/UFA/SSA). If an SCCL club placed a team in NL (through promotion), it is LIKELY that that team would be below the SCCL level (eg NTH White, AFU Gold, UFA Gold, GSA Red, etc). Usually the GA clubs doesn't have that kind of depth.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 17, 2019 10:42:35 GMT -5
There is no mandate that the SCCL be the 2nd team (not the case at NTH/UFA/SSA). If an SCCL club placed a team in NL (through promotion), it is LIKELY that that team would be below the SCCL level (eg NTH White, AFU Gold, UFA Gold, GSA Red, etc). Usually the GA clubs doesn't have that kind of depth. Agreed here. The big 5 are not trying to pursue NL. I think they want out of GA soccer completely. I don't think you would ever see any team below the SCCL team ever be good enough to get through Classic I and get promoted to NL. I would think before that happened, the Big 5 would steal the best players to put on their SCCL/NPL/ECNL/DA teams thus making that team not as good and less likely to get promoted to NL to begin with. The only exception I could see is if a branch location of a big club had a very good team whose parents had no desire to drive to the main locations to be on a bigger team (there are some teams that exist such as this in some of the Big 5), so the team stays whole and doesn't lose anyone. Maybe then you might see one of the clubs get a team in NL at a certain age group maybe.
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Post by h22 on May 17, 2019 11:04:13 GMT -5
What about a situation where an NL team picked up and chose to locate to an existing club that has an SCCL team in that same age group ?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2019 11:24:15 GMT -5
They would not retain NL status, I'm pretty sure. They could possibly even stay together, but they would likely have to apply to be back in Classic 1/Athena A and have to work their way back into the NL. The new clubs would likely try to push those players toward SCCL. If its GSA there's not a lot of point, they won't even let their teams play in state cup.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 17, 2019 11:47:12 GMT -5
There is no mandate that the SCCL be the 2nd team (not the case at NTH/UFA/SSA). If an SCCL club placed a team in NL (through promotion), it is LIKELY that that team would be below the SCCL level (eg NTH White, AFU Gold, UFA Gold, GSA Red, etc). Usually the GA clubs doesn't have that kind of depth. I thought Ga Soccer banned clubs from being able to be promoted to NL, if they are an SCCL club? It doesn't matter if they 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team. If they won Athena or Classic I, they still could not go to NL.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2019 12:04:00 GMT -5
My understanding is that the SCCL teams appealed to USSF to mediate the issue and GA Soccer lost the mediation. It no longer matters much though as SCCL-P will take most of the A/1 teams from the SCCL clubs out of the mix.
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Post by girlsoccer on May 17, 2019 12:21:08 GMT -5
There is no mandate that the SCCL be the 2nd team (not the case at NTH/UFA/SSA). If an SCCL club placed a team in NL (through promotion), it is LIKELY that that team would be below the SCCL level (eg NTH White, AFU Gold, UFA Gold, GSA Red, etc). Usually the GA clubs doesn't have that kind of depth. I thought Ga Soccer banned clubs from being able to be promoted to NL, if they are an SCCL club? It doesn't matter if they 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team. If they won Athena or Classic I, they still could not go to NL. GA soccer tried to do that but lost the battle. Sccl clubs can promote teams to NL if they earn it and want to move up.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 17, 2019 15:18:03 GMT -5
My understanding is that the SCCL teams appealed to USSF to mediate the issue and GA Soccer lost the mediation. It no longer matters much though as SCCL-P will take most of the A/1 teams from the SCCL clubs out of the mix. Thanks for the update... I lost touch with this forum for the past few months, so I'm re-educating myself. So... we know the SCCL-P is coming, but I haven't seen who is possibly joining beyond the original 5 clubs. Does anyone have insight, solid rumors, or guesses?
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Post by blu on May 17, 2019 15:24:31 GMT -5
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 17, 2019 15:27:01 GMT -5
Geez... it a Friday and my mind is fried.... I knew that chart, but forgot who was in it... forgive me. I was wondering if they were leaving it open for even more clubs to join before next year.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 17, 2019 15:32:19 GMT -5
What happened to BUSA and Vestiva Hills? They are not listed on the map
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 17, 2019 16:03:12 GMT -5
What happened to BUSA and Vestiva Hills? They are not listed on the map BUSA and VHSC are in the top division only. Not the premier division
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 17, 2019 16:08:56 GMT -5
What happened to BUSA and Vestiva Hills? They are not listed on the map BUSA and VHSC are in the top division only. Not the premier division Thank you I didn't see the part that said Premier. Thanks for straighten me out.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 17, 2019 16:21:41 GMT -5
BUSA and VHSC are in the top division only. Not the premier division Thank you I didn't see the part that said Premier. Thanks for straighten me out. 👍happy to help
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Post by soccerspin on May 17, 2019 17:50:23 GMT -5
Given this topic and the recent takeover of Smyrna by NTH, will Smyrna NL teams remain in that league or move to SCCL-P?
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Post by goldcoast on May 17, 2019 17:55:26 GMT -5
Given this topic and the recent takeover of Smyrna by NTH, will Smyrna NL teams remain in that league or move to SCCL-P? Per Dave Smith at the town hall meeting; If they qualified for NL next season, that’s where they’ll play.
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Post by Keeper on May 17, 2019 18:49:21 GMT -5
Given this topic and the recent takeover of Smyrna by NTH, will Smyrna NL teams remain in that league or move to SCCL-P? Per Dave Smith at the town hall meeting; If they qualified for NL next season, that’s where they’ll play. Anyone know what, if any, Smyrna teams earned NL?
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Post by greenmonkey on May 17, 2019 19:52:00 GMT -5
Is this the list you are looking for? 14 teams earned US Youth Soccer Piedmont Conference Premier I Division titles. In doing so, many of the division winners have earned an opportunity to compete in the 2019 US Youth Soccer Southern Regional Championships and qualify for the 2019-20 US Youth Soccer National League season. Boys Premier I Division Champions 13U Triangle United Gold (NC) 14U Chattanooga FC Academy 05 Premier I (TN) 15U Kalonji PPA KSA 04 Pro-Profile (GA) 16U Kalonji PPA KSA 03 Pro-Profile (GA) 17U MOBA Soccer 02 (GA) 18U Kalonji PPA KSA 01 Pro-Profile (GA) 19U Kalonji KSA 00 Pro-Profile (GA) Girls Premier I Division Champions 13U Charlotte Soccer Academy South Elite (NC) 14U Roswell Santos 2005 Blue (GA) 15U Georgia Rush 2004 (GA) 16U AFC Lightning 2003 Gold (GA) 17U Lake Norman SC 02 Eclipse Elite (NC) 18U Charlotte SA 01 Elite North/H'ville (NC) 19U Cherokee Georgia Impact 01/02 Elite (GA) www.usyouthsoccer.org/teams-claim-2018-19-piedmont-conference-premier-i-division-titles/
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Post by ultimatedad on May 17, 2019 20:35:03 GMT -5
What about a situation where an NL team picked up and chose to locate to an existing club that has an SCCL team in that same age group ? The team would probably break apart and play on ecnl and Da teams. Sccl has a poor reputation with people outside of the big 5 bubble.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 17, 2019 21:19:17 GMT -5
There is no mandate that the SCCL be the 2nd team (not the case at NTH/UFA/SSA). If an SCCL club placed a team in NL (through promotion), it is LIKELY that that team would be below the SCCL level (eg NTH White, AFU Gold, UFA Gold, GSA Red, etc). Usually the GA clubs doesn't have that kind of depth.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 17, 2019 21:31:09 GMT -5
It is true that the smaller clubs do not have the depth of the larger clubs. However they pull players up from the younger age groups to in effect double the stregth of their teams relative to the size of the club. This is why the smaller club's first teams tend to dominate the larger clubs second teams regardless of league affiliation. At least at every other or odd age grouping. You will rarely see a small club with an excellent 05 and 06 team. More likely to see a dominant 05 and 07 team with a poor 06 team. The larger clubs have to compete at every age group so their hand are tied in creating super competetive teams. No wonder they could not cobble together teams good enough to compete in the NL after their best girls were already playing ECNL and DA.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2019 21:44:33 GMT -5
Perhaps some truth in this, but the little clubs lose players to the big clubs so they do what they can to compete.
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Post by Keeper on May 17, 2019 21:45:57 GMT -5
Is this the list you are looking for? 14 teams earned US Youth Soccer Piedmont Conference Premier I Division titles. In doing so, many of the division winners have earned an opportunity to compete in the 2019 US Youth Soccer Southern Regional Championships and qualify for the 2019-20 US Youth Soccer National League season. Boys Premier I Division Champions 13U Triangle United Gold (NC) 14U Chattanooga FC Academy 05 Premier I (TN) 15U Kalonji PPA KSA 04 Pro-Profile (GA) 16U Kalonji PPA KSA 03 Pro-Profile (GA) 17U MOBA Soccer 02 (GA) 18U Kalonji PPA KSA 01 Pro-Profile (GA) 19U Kalonji KSA 00 Pro-Profile (GA) Girls Premier I Division Champions 13U Charlotte Soccer Academy South Elite (NC) 14U Roswell Santos 2005 Blue (GA) 15U Georgia Rush 2004 (GA) 16U AFC Lightning 2003 Gold (GA) 17U Lake Norman SC 02 Eclipse Elite (NC) 18U Charlotte SA 01 Elite North/H'ville (NC) 19U Cherokee Georgia Impact 01/02 Elite (GA) www.usyouthsoccer.org/teams-claim-2018-19-piedmont-conference-premier-i-division-titles/Wow look at all those KSA teams.....😳
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 17, 2019 21:59:15 GMT -5
Perhaps some truth in this, but the little clubs lose players to the big clubs so they do what they can to compete. your giving undeserved credit. The only truth is that they cobble together teams from younger ages because they dont have depth ... and because they are younger they have not had their extra year of development, making them sufficient at best. Plus, that sucks that a club will toss a whole years' worth of players away to concentrate on every other year. What about them? They have every right to be paid attention to and aren't.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2019 22:33:24 GMT -5
So playing good players is wasting a players year? So the NTH DA playing 06s up with the 05s are wasting their years? UFA also? Carleton and Bello playing with the AU first team? How about Pulisic? They're skipping like 4 years of development.
These small clubs typically lose 2 players to bigger clubs every year. If that stops, playing up would probably stop. I know LSA has this approach, field the best team possible. Is the converse worse? To have every team every year in the doldrums of C/III? I would certainly play my kid up if it gave a good challenge and better chance of success.
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Post by soccerworld1974 on May 18, 2019 6:44:36 GMT -5
From what I understand, that clubs partaking in outside leagues, SCCl are barred from NL.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 18, 2019 7:26:14 GMT -5
So playing good players is wasting a players year? So the NTH DA playing 06s up with the 05s are wasting their years? UFA also? Carleton and Bello playing with the AU first team? How about Pulisic? They're skipping like 4 years of development. These small clubs typically lose 2 players to bigger clubs every year. If that stops, playing up would probably stop. I know LSA has this approach, field the best team possible. Is the converse worse? To have every team every year in the doldrums of C/III? I would certainly play my kid up if it gave a good challenge and better chance of success. I don't think they meant they are wasting the play ups time. They are sacrificing an age group i.e 06's if the 05 has a lot of 06's playing up then the remaining 06's get shafted by having a weak team. I understand the point. However there are times when a play up needs to play up and not every play up is smaller, weaker, less coordinated like he implied. Sometimes their soccer skills development and their size and strength are ALL ahead. However, before the age group changed to birth their was an 08 playing on an 05/06 team. No doubt the kid was good but in that case against the best teams her size WAS a factor and rendered her ineffective. She did well against lower level teams but when against big and good teams she couldn't hang. So as long as people (players, coaches, parents) are wise about it then I think play ups are ok, but there are times when people go overboard with it and it isn't helping anyone.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2019 7:40:10 GMT -5
You talking about LSA? If so i know the players and situation you're talking about. The 08 scored around 9 goals in a game against a weak remote team, but couldnt get into the box from the center circle against big 6 teams. Leading to some very frustrating games...
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 18, 2019 13:05:51 GMT -5
You talking about LSA? If so i know the players and situation you're talking about. The 08 scored around 9 goals in a game against a weak remote team, but couldnt get into the box from the center circle against big 6 teams. Leading to some very frustrating games... That 08 girl is now playing up on top 07 tophat team which is ranked #1 in the state and she is dominating.
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