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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 2, 2019 18:40:16 GMT -5
They no longer use Anthony Travel, its booked thru Disney vacations and as much as I hated AT, this is way worse
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 2, 2019 18:44:10 GMT -5
Really? Disney is usually so organized.. whats the deal?
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 2, 2019 19:02:17 GMT -5
Really? Disney is usually so organized.. whats the deal? For starters, the website says to book the block of rooms, they require $200 per room....in 1 credit card. And every player that is on the roster including the coach is required to be in a room
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 2, 2019 19:06:38 GMT -5
Screw that!! Don’t go.
I’ve always had right at 50% book in rooms - always been a challenge
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 2, 2019 19:39:13 GMT -5
Really? Disney is usually so organized.. whats the deal? For starters, the website says to book the block of rooms, they require $200 per room....in 1 credit card. And every player that is on the roster including the coach is required to be in a room Are you saying that they want $200 deposit per room or $200 per room per night?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 2, 2019 20:09:49 GMT -5
I’ve learned my lesson -I don’t front money for players on the team anymore unless they are my very close acquaintances.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 2, 2019 22:50:22 GMT -5
For starters, the website says to book the block of rooms, they require $200 per room....in 1 credit card. And every player that is on the roster including the coach is required to be in a room Are you saying that they want $200 deposit per room or $200 per room per night? Per room, so if you have a roster of 18 plus the coach thats $3800 deposit. The nightly rate depends on where you stay, around $150 per night plus parking. No parent is going to front that for anyone
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 2, 2019 22:54:44 GMT -5
I’ve learned my lesson -I don’t front money for players on the team anymore unless they are my very close acquaintances. Its crazy if they expect a TM to do that. Front almost 4k room deposit and then the registration fee until its all collected.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 3, 2019 2:19:23 GMT -5
I say all the parents should collectively choose not to go out of protest. To think some parents have to do this 1, 2 or even 3 times over the months of November, December and January. All for what, just so you play some of your local competition, only it's 450 miles away and costs thousands of $$$. No thanks.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 3, 2019 6:54:12 GMT -5
I’ve learned my lesson -I don’t front money for players on the team anymore unless they are my very close acquaintances. This year our TM collected money upfront for the expected expenses on the year. This money was for tourney fees, team meals, coach's per diem, etc. He based it off of last year. Basically collected $17,000. I am not sure if he got shafted by someone last year, when he fronted everyone and collected fees monthly, but he took no chances this year.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 3, 2019 6:55:54 GMT -5
I’ve learned my lesson -I don’t front money for players on the team anymore unless they are my very close acquaintances. Its crazy if they expect a TM to do that. Front almost 4k room deposit and then the registration fee until its all collected. I agree with you. That is a lot to front. Just tell all of the parents they have to give it to you now, before you register for anything!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 3, 2019 7:09:24 GMT -5
I say all the parents should collectively choose not to go out of protest. To think some parents have to do this 1, 2 or even 3 times over the months of November, December and January. All for what, just so you play some of your local competition, only it's 450 miles away and costs thousands of $$$. No thanks. I understand your feelings on this. It does seem crazy. Here's my concern about NOT going...my child's number 1 school choice had a prospect questionnaire that we filled out and one of the things we had to check off were the big tourneys that you are going to. If you are not DA or ECNL (not at this time) the only tourneys listed that weren't DA/ECNL showcases were Disney, Jeff Cup, Surf Cup and CASL. So I have to assume that they concentrate their time and limited budget attending these events for their non-DA/ECNL prospects. I think Disney charges way too much money for this event, including the ESPN entry fee (ridiculous when you spend money for registration). I think the deposit for the room is ridiculous to expect one person to front that money. However, Anthony travel has screwed up our reservations twice in the last year. Hopefully Disney will do a better job with that! We did not play anyone local last year. We had two teams from south Florida, one from out of the country and one from the midwest. None of our friends from other teams played our local teams either.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Aug 3, 2019 7:09:30 GMT -5
As a TM, this might push me over the edge. This a awful! And at our club for the younger ages it is still a pool. Coaches don’t set Disney rosters until late October. So you wouldn’t even know who to charge the $200 and they can’t officially book yet anyway. I used to have to hold the rooms and make up some BS names so it “looked” booked. But now with the deposit and the requirement to stay, that would be hard. Are they saying you need to book a separate room for every player??? Surely you can just say 2/3/4 players are staying in one room to cover your roster? I remember for Disney 3v3 they used to require every name on the roster have a home. You could share but needed both parents to sign something. What a nightmare. I’m all in on the Disney boycott! And while we are at it, let’s boycott being TMs too! I guess this already did push me over the edge 😂
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Post by Keeper on Aug 3, 2019 7:23:15 GMT -5
I’ve learned my lesson -I don’t front money for players on the team anymore unless they are my very close acquaintances. Its crazy if they expect a TM to do that. Front almost 4k room deposit and then the registration fee until its all collected. Disney doesn’t expect team managers to do this. They expect the Club to. You know that big organization that takes in nearly 90% of its yearly income in June and who should be collecting all these extra expenses as well. If you’re sending a team to these types of tournaments then the club should collect all these expected expenses as well. Then no one is getting shafted and if a parent can’t pay they have to argue it with the coach and club so they better hope their kid is the superstar scholarship.
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Post by rifle on Aug 3, 2019 7:27:43 GMT -5
Good riddance.
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Post by mynameisinuse on Aug 3, 2019 8:27:05 GMT -5
Its crazy if they expect a TM to do that. Front almost 4k room deposit and then the registration fee until its all collected. Disney doesn’t expect team managers to do this. They expect the Club to. You know that big organization that takes in nearly 90% of its yearly income in June and who should be collecting all these extra expenses as well. If you’re sending a team to these types of tournaments then the club should collect all these expected expenses as well. Then no one is getting shafted and if a parent can’t pay they have to argue it with the coach and club so they better hope their kid is the superstar scholarship. Could not agree with this sentiment more and would love to see which one of these "organizations" would actually dig into their big coffers and front the deposit. I think in most instances the clubs would act offended that the TM/team requested the club to front the money to a tournament that the club mandated the team go to. I mean, why would they take the risk for doing this for the teams when there is not way to get a kickback or financial benefit from it? I bet if the tournaments offered a 15% cash back incentive for the teams/clubs to do this they would then make it mandatory that only the club can make/place deposit payments and not allow TMs or parents receive those benefits.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 5, 2019 14:36:47 GMT -5
Clubs wont do it...lol
What is going on with soccer in the US!!
Just seem like another $$$ grab. We all knew Disney was a big grab but it just got bigger for them.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 5, 2019 14:39:13 GMT -5
So why dont the clubs contact each other and select a tournament besides Disney?? They wont because the coaches make $$ as well
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Post by soccerlegacy on Aug 5, 2019 20:10:19 GMT -5
So why dont the clubs contact each other and select a tournament besides Disney?? They wont because the coaches make $$ as well How do the coaches make money?
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 5, 2019 20:45:58 GMT -5
Some charge the team... hotel, per diem, travel, per game fee, etc..
Some split between teams that they take so that's cool.
It's not big revenue but seen some make a vacation out of it.
Most are good.
Some clubs do get kick backs for amount room nights booked.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 5, 2019 20:52:03 GMT -5
Keep in mind. Some of the best memories. Looking back at it I don't really remember the cost, just the amazing moments my son had/ we had.
Enjoy it when you can.
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Post by soccerguru on Aug 5, 2019 22:32:30 GMT -5
Can you imagine the ways BK could lose the 17k? Could be the same old, someone stole it out from under my truck seat when i went in a store.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 6, 2019 8:38:32 GMT -5
So why dont the clubs contact each other and select a tournament besides Disney?? They wont because the coaches make $$ as well How do the coaches make money? Glad you called this out.. because other than some shady coaches, I'd bet most make nothing off of it except a few free nights in a mediocre hotel and some Olive Garden.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 6, 2019 9:21:32 GMT -5
How do the coaches make money? Glad you called this out.. because other than some shady coaches, I'd bet most make nothing off of it except a few free nights in a mediocre hotel and some Olive Garden. Plus mileage and per diem which they get for every tournament.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 6, 2019 12:34:45 GMT -5
How do the coaches make money? Glad you called this out.. because other than some shady coaches, I'd bet most make nothing off of it except a few free nights in a mediocre hotel and some Olive Garden. Olive garden? Ew no no no. The coaches list states Carrabba’s, Longhorns, or if a game is on Buffalo Wild Wings. Though the Hooters in Orlando is acceptable as there are typically no kids and families so the coaches can have some quiet adult time.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 6, 2019 13:20:59 GMT -5
Coaches definitely aren't getting rich from a disney trip, 50 bucks a day, plus some mileage money. Honestly, we have always given the coach their full allotment for per diem and mileage based upon how many of his teams are attending -- and then if he finds a way to save $$$ than we just let him pocket the difference. For example, often last minute, coaches might share a ride with another coach etc.
Unless up front the coach plans to travel with a parent or other coach, only then would we discuss lower mileage allotments -- this typically a bigger issue with a 9v9 team and a coach that only has one team attending -- hence the entire coaches expenses fall upon a single team with many fewer kids in the split.
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Post by sportsdad on Aug 7, 2019 8:31:10 GMT -5
Really? Disney is usually so organized.. whats the deal? For starters, the website says to book the block of rooms, they require $200 per room....in 1 credit card. And every player that is on the roster including the coach is required to be in a room Good info. So have you already applied, been accepted and are making the travel reservations?
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 7, 2019 8:33:53 GMT -5
For starters, the website says to book the block of rooms, they require $200 per room....in 1 credit card. And every player that is on the roster including the coach is required to be in a room Good info. So have you already applied, been accepted and are making the travel reservations? We applied one night, got accepted the next morning...which is odd. In the past it took weeks before one knew, so it makes you wonder if they are in a big need of teams. Called and spoke to Disney, got details and gave them to the coach to discuss. We have not done any reservations, we may not attend.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 7, 2019 9:31:23 GMT -5
Good info. So have you already applied, been accepted and are making the travel reservations? We applied one night, got accepted the next morning...which is odd. In the past it took weeks before one knew, so it makes you wonder if they are in a big need of teams. Called and spoke to Disney, got details and gave them to the coach to discuss. We have not done any reservations, we may not attend. Did they confirm the booking method for hotels -- TM has to cover the deposit for the entire team on one Credit card?
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 7, 2019 9:44:05 GMT -5
We applied one night, got accepted the next morning...which is odd. In the past it took weeks before one knew, so it makes you wonder if they are in a big need of teams. Called and spoke to Disney, got details and gave them to the coach to discuss. We have not done any reservations, we may not attend. Did they confirm the booking method for hotels -- TM has to cover the deposit for the entire team on one Credit card? I will copy the document here that we were sent so that everyone can read. Phone person did confirm the $200 per room deposit
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