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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 11, 2019 0:00:29 GMT -5
Lots of games with only 1 AR...
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Post by Keeper on Aug 11, 2019 7:34:22 GMT -5
Concorde tournament lots of Refs with nearly double digit games. Lovejoy Refs I think came in for 8:00/9:30am games and didn’t leave till the last games at 6:30pm ended.
With these temperatures this weekend SSA needed to pay hazard pay for Refs.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Aug 11, 2019 7:39:16 GMT -5
Not an ideal situation for both, are they asking for volunteers to step in to at call if the ball in s out of bounds for only having 1 AR for SSA?
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Post by fan on Aug 11, 2019 7:44:16 GMT -5
My kid reffed a total of 8 games yesterday at 2 parks. Only agreed to 3 today but could have accepted more. Remember to thank your refs today (and all season)!
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Aug 11, 2019 11:01:18 GMT -5
Not only a poor showing by SSA for refs but not athletic trainer at Hubert. Player got hurt on the field and parents had to step up and take care of her. Not smart especially with the temperature also
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 11, 2019 11:58:14 GMT -5
I'm on the email list for Concorde and SSA - both were recruiting hard to fill slots this weekend until the last minute. By late Friday, SSA let everyone know there would be short crewed games - no one else available to work. That's what happens when you have two big tourneys in town on the same weekend - not enough yellow shirts to go around - particularly when many of your young refs are playing. I did pick up two games around my child's game Saturday (ok, one of them was my kid's game...) and the other refs were working 6, 7, 8 games that day, which is absurd. (I had other commitments and couldn't work full time this weekend)
So go online, get certified, and come make a few bucks!
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Post by Keeper on Aug 11, 2019 16:38:27 GMT -5
Not an ideal situation for both, are they asking for volunteers to step in to at call if the ball in s out of bounds for only having 1 AR for SSA? Concorde at least had a lot of staff members step in as “AR1” so they could at least work the sideline with both coaches.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 12, 2019 6:28:46 GMT -5
I'm on the email list for Concorde and SSA - both were recruiting hard to fill slots this weekend until the last minute. By late Friday, SSA let everyone know there would be short crewed games - no one else available to work. That's what happens when you have two big tourneys in town on the same weekend - not enough yellow shirts to go around - particularly when many of your young refs are playing. I did pick up two games around my child's game Saturday (ok, one of them was my kid's game...) and the other refs were working 6, 7, 8 games that day, which is absurd. (I had other commitments and couldn't work full time this weekend) So go online, get certified, and come make a few bucks! I always wondered this. What are the ethics on reffing your own kid's games? My son is on both Concorde and SSA's referee group as well and I saw those emails as well begging for referees on both tournaments with Concorde offering extra pay depending on the situation (single games, long travel etc....) I was going to get certified till they changed up all the referee stuff again, and it seems like it would cost me even more money than it would have when it was R8, maybe I'm wrong on that, but in reality if my kid's game doesn't have enough referees how ethical would it be for me to AR the game anyway? We had an issue where a parent had to call in/out due to only 1 AR, but that is one thing as opposed to the full rule book the AR has to enforce. Can I even pick up my own kid's game for money? I know my son has picked up some of my younger daughter's rec games when we are there to watch and no-one shows up but that is different than a higher level Select, SCCL, NPL, type game.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 12, 2019 8:41:33 GMT -5
I'm on the email list for Concorde and SSA - both were recruiting hard to fill slots this weekend until the last minute. By late Friday, SSA let everyone know there would be short crewed games - no one else available to work. That's what happens when you have two big tourneys in town on the same weekend - not enough yellow shirts to go around - particularly when many of your young refs are playing. I did pick up two games around my child's game Saturday (ok, one of them was my kid's game...) and the other refs were working 6, 7, 8 games that day, which is absurd. (I had other commitments and couldn't work full time this weekend) So go online, get certified, and come make a few bucks! I always wondered this. What are the ethics on reffing your own kid's games? My son is on both Concorde and SSA's referee group as well and I saw those emails as well begging for referees on both tournaments with Concorde offering extra pay depending on the situation (single games, long travel etc....) I was going to get certified till they changed up all the referee stuff again, and it seems like it would cost me even more money than it would have when it was R8, maybe I'm wrong on that, but in reality if my kid's game doesn't have enough referees how ethical would it be for me to AR the game anyway? We had an issue where a parent had to call in/out due to only 1 AR, but that is one thing as opposed to the full rule book the AR has to enforce. Can I even pick up my own kid's game for money? I know my son has picked up some of my younger daughter's rec games when we are there to watch and no-one shows up but that is different than a higher level Select, SCCL, NPL, type game. I believe “family” can AR nearly any Ga Soccer game. We have siblings AR other siblings games all the time at Athena/Classic level, Dads AR for their sons games so they center the game before or after. And we have siblings center or AR academy games. My opinion is theses are kids and a youth game so like with all Refs you’re given the benefit of the doubt. If you’re willing to get certified and put your time out there then do it and thank you. Like I tell me players, Refs don’t win or lose games. Players do, so leave no doubt. And for that small percent of parents that think cheating is winning well Karma will find you.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 12, 2019 9:42:40 GMT -5
I'm on the email list for Concorde and SSA - both were recruiting hard to fill slots this weekend until the last minute. By late Friday, SSA let everyone know there would be short crewed games - no one else available to work. That's what happens when you have two big tourneys in town on the same weekend - not enough yellow shirts to go around - particularly when many of your young refs are playing. I did pick up two games around my child's game Saturday (ok, one of them was my kid's game...) and the other refs were working 6, 7, 8 games that day, which is absurd. (I had other commitments and couldn't work full time this weekend) So go online, get certified, and come make a few bucks! I always wondered this. What are the ethics on reffing your own kid's games? My son is on both Concorde and SSA's referee group as well and I saw those emails as well begging for referees on both tournaments with Concorde offering extra pay depending on the situation (single games, long travel etc....) I was going to get certified till they changed up all the referee stuff again, and it seems like it would cost me even more money than it would have when it was R8, maybe I'm wrong on that, but in reality if my kid's game doesn't have enough referees how ethical would it be for me to AR the game anyway? We had an issue where a parent had to call in/out due to only 1 AR, but that is one thing as opposed to the full rule book the AR has to enforce. Can I even pick up my own kid's game for money? I know my son has picked up some of my younger daughter's rec games when we are there to watch and no-one shows up but that is different than a higher level Select, SCCL, NPL, type game. It's not something I pre-plan, it just happens. Usually I'm just AR, but once or twice I've centered (at younger ages). To me it's not really an ethical question, once the game starts it's just two colors playing each other. The question is, do you want a random parent or inexperienced center or a 30+ year veteran on the flag or with the whistle? (I started as a teen, so don't let the 30+ years make you think I'm old and slow) What's the right answer for player safety, which is supposed to be the number one priority?
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Post by fanatic21 on Aug 12, 2019 9:58:01 GMT -5
You are not allowed to ref (Center or AR) your own kids games. Exception would be if there are no other options (ref crew member no shows, no refs available, etc.) and both coaches agree. In that case refs should have coaches sign game card with their consent. Otherwise game can be protested - and protest will likely be upheld and game will have to be replayed. In tournament of course, there are generally no protests, so would be up to tournament, coaches, etc. as to how to proceed (I assume touranment and coaches would want a ref/full crew, even if it was a family member). If club/uncertified ref, he is only supposed to call in and out of play (no direction, no offside, etc.). Obviously in the case of younger, recreational and Academy games, I don't think many people would object to having a family member ref a game if that was the only option.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 12, 2019 10:02:17 GMT -5
Do any states have a full online ref certification course?
Seems like another solution is full scholarship players should have to ref 5 games a season -- easily could be rec or u9-11 games.
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Post by ultimatedad on Aug 12, 2019 11:09:41 GMT -5
How about all kids have to ref a few games even if they come from wealthy parents.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 12, 2019 11:15:26 GMT -5
How about all kids have to ref a few games even if they come from wealthy parents. I agree with you on that. We are far from wealthy. I'm happy I can afford to pay for my son to do what he loves at a higher level than rec. My philosophy as was my parents toward me is. Yes we will buy and do stuff on occasion but it is at our discretion. If you want extra stuff or to save up for something then you need to work for it whether it be extra chores or something like refereeing. My son decided to referee because he enjoys having the extra money to buy things (like his newer cell phone over my hand-me-down), etc.... Other parents I guess just buy that stuff for their kids, but I want him to figure out money doesn't grow on trees as quickly as possible.
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Post by Upper90 on Aug 12, 2019 11:22:16 GMT -5
My child use to ref, but as been stated before the behavior of parents on the sidelines quickly drove an end to that gig. He actually has really thick skin, he just didn’t want to deal with their nonsense anymore. I would rather see parents have to go through reffing a game or two, than making kids on the team have to do it. Walk a mile as the saying goes...
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Post by Shesakeeper on Aug 12, 2019 20:15:28 GMT -5
Same here, my 14 yr old daughter likes all the nice things, and we don't like paying for them, so she took the certification this weekend and as soon as her uniform arrives, will be picking up games around her own schedule. She is looking forward to having a little cash of her own and I'm looking forward to not having her beg for stuff all the darn time! Lol. It's not cheap, $90 for the course and I think the uniform kit was $65 shipped, but we agreed that we would get half her paycheck until half the total is paid, and call the rest a donation to her independence I guess. How about all kids have to ref a few games even if they come from wealthy parents. I agree with you on that. We are far from wealthy. I'm happy I can afford to pay for my son to do what he loves at a higher level than rec. My philosophy as was my parents toward me is. Yes we will buy and do stuff on occasion but it is at our discretion. If you want extra stuff or to save up for something then you need to work for it whether it be extra chores or something like refereeing. My son decided to referee because he enjoys having the extra money to buy things (like his newer cell phone over my hand-me-down), etc.... Other parents I guess just buy that stuff for their kids, but I want him to figure out money doesn't grow on trees as quickly as possible.
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Post by soccerworld1974 on Aug 12, 2019 22:53:42 GMT -5
More clubs need to incorporate a refereeing club dues reimbursement as that will be a quick way to solve this shortage issues. Why is this not happening?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 13, 2019 6:30:16 GMT -5
More clubs need to incorporate a refereeing club dues reimbursement as that will be a quick way to solve this shortage issues. Why is this not happening? Big reason, the referees don't get paid anywhere near the amount of money they would have to give up to do any kind of fair dues reimbursement to players and parents. Parents and kids won't do it for peanuts off their dues. The ref pay is lower than what the clubs would have to shell out to attract people to do that especially for the games those type of kids/parents would be qualified to referee (U8-U12 games mostly).
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Post by soccerguru on Aug 13, 2019 7:00:16 GMT -5
I do believe CF got the better end of the Referree deal, their were some refs at Mud Creek that were very inexperienced and several AR's that had to work the center with parents as AR's on the sideline. The positive is they got training.
Ref's at Mt. Carmel Park did a great job in the games I saw.
My oldest son quit reffing because of parents at a u8 game. Completely out of control, harassment, bullying him when the kids were just learning the game. He called me to stop by because he was scared to walk to his car. At these tournaments, they need field Marshalls at every venue that walk around and monitor these issues with the parents given one warning, and then they are asked to leave the field or their kids team forfeits. This will slow the crazy parent syndrome.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 7:47:15 GMT -5
There should absolutely be field marshals at every location, if not 2.
The ref in our first game wouldn't call anything. U14G top bracket.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 13, 2019 8:20:59 GMT -5
I do believe CF got the better end of the Referree deal, their were some refs at Mud Creek that were very inexperienced and several AR's that had to work the center with parents as AR's on the sideline. The positive is they got training. Ref's at Mt. Carmel Park did a great job in the games I saw. My oldest son quit reffing because of parents at a u8 game. Completely out of control, harassment, bullying him when the kids were just learning the game. He called me to stop by because he was scared to walk to his car. At these tournaments, they need field Marshalls at every venue that walk around and monitor these issues with the parents given one warning, and then they are asked to leave the field or their kids team forfeits. This will slow the crazy parent syndrome. My son has thick skin. Yes there are rec parents in the U8 and U10 age (and some rec coaches as well) that will give referees some crap. Obviously it gets worse the older the age group. The first two seasons when he was 11 and 12 I stayed at the fields for every game he refereed. I would hear wise cracks and complaints from the peanut gallery (usually they were wrong and had no clue on rules) and my son heard them too but it was usually a once off and done. A couple of times he had to complain about a coach and a parent or if he didn't other parents would do it on his behalf. He centered a U9 academy game once where the opposing coach didn't like the physical play and got in his face. Of course it was the one time I had went to grab some food for both of us and wasn't there. Being that he was a select player himself, he knows what a foul is an is not from both playing experience and referee training. He was letting them play with a lot of shoulder to shoulder bumps etc... and calling the fouls where they needed to be called. The opposing team was overmatched so that coach was just grasping at straws to find a reason for them losing other than talent. My son ended up having to write a report to GA Soccer on that one but it didn't discourage him. He enjoys the money and lets crap like that roll over him and doesn't react. Not sure my daughter when she gets old enough can do the same. I doubt he quits anytime soon till he starts refereeing older 11v11 games where it might be worse.
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Post by soccerguru on Aug 13, 2019 13:37:38 GMT -5
Yes, I should of probably stayed for his first 2 years also. We definitely don't have enough referees.
The craziest I've seen was in Rock Hill at a u19 game, huge brawl on the field led to multiple players ejected with actually one parent following an ejected kid and his mom to the car before another fight broke out in the parking lot. Cops called, parent arrested. Game called, just nasty
2nd craziest, parents fighting at a NASA tourney at a u12 game
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Post by Keeper on Aug 13, 2019 13:55:28 GMT -5
Yes, I should of probably stayed for his first 2 years also. We definitely don't have enough referees. The craziest I've seen was in Rock Hill at a u19 game, huge brawl on the field led to multiple players ejected with actually one parent following an ejected kid and his mom to the car before another fight broke out in the parking lot. Cops called, parent arrested. Game called, just nasty 2nd craziest, parents fighting at a NASA tourney at a u12 game Was this the NASA tourney in May 2018? Had parents from the same Nasa girls game going at it because they weren’t winning the final like they assumed would happen. The Center was burnt out on Sunday afternoon, AR1 didn’t want to interfere with the Center’s job so a Center from another game next to them had to come over and break up the parents argument. The fact that Nasa officials did nothing and didn’t even acknowledge it.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 13, 2019 15:07:06 GMT -5
The craziest thing I have seen is parents fighting at a 3v3 tournament. Both teams were Concorde Fire at the time and on the same U10 team. So the teammates are playing each other in the final and one team is even playing a man down and the Dads are fighting and screaming at each other.
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Post by greenmonkey on Aug 13, 2019 21:48:56 GMT -5
New thread idea ... The craziest thing I ever saw was ...
Out of state tournament. Girls U11/U12. Mom on the other team is yelling at her own daughter to stop "wallering around on the ground like a whale ... actually girl just stay down - you ain't helping your team when you are up anyway ... girl get your butt up and run"
edited for mr. grinch ... I know I am batcrap crazy but in a my kids embarrassed when I tie her cleats or cheer cute cuddly nicknames crazy. LOL
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 13, 2019 22:24:56 GMT -5
I wonder how many of these crazy parents don't even know they're the crazy parents? How many are actually here on this board? hmmmmm
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