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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 13, 2019 12:59:40 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer just shared this tweet -- not sure if I've ever seen a similar tweet before. good for them.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 13, 2019 13:35:30 GMT -5
I agree it is hot & safety should be first on everyone's minds. As far as I recall, we have had a Heat Advisory in place since either Friday or Saturday. Where was Georgia Soccer this weekend recommending the cancellation of tournaments, especially for those playing on turf?
I see AFU has already cancelled training for tonight, and UFA will be making a decision regarding their 5pm practices by 3:30...later practices at UFA are on as scheduled. I am curious to see if any of the other clubs follow with cancellations.
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Post by benched on Aug 13, 2019 13:39:16 GMT -5
NASA has cancelled all training today.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 13, 2019 13:43:37 GMT -5
Where was this concern from GA Soccer when State Cup was played on all turf fields over two weekends that were hotter than this? I do find it a bit hypocritical. Tournaments on turf this weekend had the same issue as right now as well and they were not postponed or cancelled either. Gotta make that money.....
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Post by Keeper on Aug 13, 2019 13:46:25 GMT -5
Where was this concern from GA Soccer when State Cup was played on all turf fields over two weekends that were hotter than this? Temperatures, humidity and heat index are much higher now then at State Cup. Plus add in that usual Atlanta post summer Smog makes it worse then those Spring dates.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 13, 2019 15:17:44 GMT -5
Some of the difference between training and competing is mandatory water breaks in games and availability of trainers on site. And during competitions the players are only playing a game a day - not coming from school where they probably didn't hydrate properly, etc.
I can see a handful of overzealous coaches pushing too hard on a day like today and causing some heat related injuries.
SSA cancelled as well. It's freaking hot out.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 13, 2019 15:27:00 GMT -5
Some of the difference between training and competing is mandatory water breaks in games and availability of trainers on site. And during competitions the players are only playing a game a day - not coming from school where they probably didn't hydrate properly, etc. I can see a handful of overzealous coaches pushing too hard on a day like today and causing some heat related injuries. SSA cancelled as well. It's freaking hot out. We played 2 games Saturday & 2 games Sunday. We had kids average 55+ minutes each game. I don't see this any better than having a 90 minute training session. If we were talking about a single game over a weekend, then no need to cancel. With multiple games and the kids playing as hard as they could, this weekend was no better than going out there tonight.
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Post by nole95 on Aug 13, 2019 16:14:52 GMT -5
As of now, UFA has only cancelled their 5pm practices, but will make a decision later on the others. I think in the interest of safety they should cancel all practices.
Can Georgia Soccer only recommend cancelling practices and not mandate that they be cancelled? Just curious.
Will be curious to see what some of the tournaments do this weekend. It is going to be just as hot on Saturday as it is today. We have games at 11 and 3:30. Even with water breaks, that is going to be brutally hot for those kids. If the heat index is in dangerous territory today, then it is surely going to be that way in the middle of the afternoon on Saturday.
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Post by nole95 on Aug 13, 2019 16:36:00 GMT -5
UFA is going ahead with their 6:30 and 8pm practices tonight. Not sure why they are not following other clubs leads. Feel bad for those kids that need to be out there. Luckily my daughter does not have practice tonight, so not a decision I have to make.
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Post by weekendwarrior03 on Aug 13, 2019 17:07:10 GMT -5
AFC cancelled tonight. Some teams chose to indoors at local facilities though.
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 13, 2019 17:09:33 GMT -5
First of all it’s hot. Terribly hot. But I’ve never heard of this Wet Bulb Temp Index. You know the one that says bodies can’t cool over 95 degrees. Guess everyone from Texas thru Arizona are gonna die!!!!
I don’t disagree with discretion at all but Last weekend at Nike we played multiple games at this temp with no fatalities. This is a bit of an overreaction assuming clubs use good judgement. In fact I cut my grass today. 2 hours of grass cutting, edging and weed eating. Granted I did hydrate a lot with beer but I didn’t die.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 13, 2019 18:14:42 GMT -5
First of all it’s hot. Terribly hot. But I’ve never heard of this Wet Bulb Temp Index. You know the one that says bodies can’t cool over 95 degrees. Guess everyone from Texas thru Arizona are gonna die!!!! You are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of humidity.
There's no evaporative cooling if your sweat can't evaporate - as opposed to a dryer climate (see: Texas thru Arizona).
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Post by rifle on Aug 13, 2019 18:59:07 GMT -5
First of all it’s hot. Terribly hot. But I’ve never heard of this Wet Bulb Temp Index. You know the one that says bodies can’t cool over 95 degrees. Guess everyone from Texas thru Arizona are gonna die!!!! I don’t disagree with discretion at all but Last weekend at Nike we played multiple games at this temp with no fatalities. This is a bit of an overreaction assuming clubs use good judgement. In fact I cut my grass today. 2 hours of grass cutting, edging and weed eating. Granted I did hydrate a lot with beer but I didn’t die. You mean you didn’t spend two semesters learning the ins and outs of the psychrometric chart? I must have been lucky... anyway... The expression “it’s a dry heat” actually means something.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 13, 2019 19:25:44 GMT -5
First of all it’s hot. Terribly hot. But I’ve never heard of this Wet Bulb Temp Index. You know the one that says bodies can’t cool over 95 degrees. Guess everyone from Texas thru Arizona are gonna die!!!! I don’t disagree with discretion at all but Last weekend at Nike we played multiple games at this temp with no fatalities. This is a bit of an overreaction assuming clubs use good judgement. In fact I cut my grass today. 2 hours of grass cutting, edging and weed eating. Granted I did hydrate a lot with beer but I didn’t die. Given your beer hydration comment I assume that you are being somewhat sarcastic but if you haven't heard of the wet bulb then you also don't have any kids that play American football nor have you seen the TV coverage of those heat related deaths. You probably haven't run any marathons or half marathons either. The wet bulb has been used for well over 15 years maybe over 20 (time flies) to determine the safety of outdoor sports participation in the heat. Once it reaches a certain temp (near our body temp) you can no longer cool your body through either evaporation or even radiating the heat from your body. Yes it was hot this weekend. Yes it was almost as hot as today (but not quite), but the wet bulb temperature is gold standard for the safety and it was low enough to proceed.
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 13, 2019 19:37:35 GMT -5
First of all it’s hot. Terribly hot. But I’ve never heard of this Wet Bulb Temp Index. You know the one that says bodies can’t cool over 95 degrees. Guess everyone from Texas thru Arizona are gonna die!!!! I don’t disagree with discretion at all but Last weekend at Nike we played multiple games at this temp with no fatalities. This is a bit of an overreaction assuming clubs use good judgement. In fact I cut my grass today. 2 hours of grass cutting, edging and weed eating. Granted I did hydrate a lot with beer but I didn’t die. Given your beer hydration comment I assume that you are being somewhat sarcastic but if you haven't heard of the wet bulb then you also don't have any kids that play American football nor have you seen the TV coverage of those heat related deaths. You probably haven't run any marathons or half marathons either. The wet bulb has been used for well over 15 years maybe over 20 (time flies) to determine the safety of outdoor sports participation in the heat. Once it reaches a certain temp (near our body temp) you can no longer cool your body through either evaporation or even radiating the heat from your body. Yes it was hot this weekend. Yes it was almost as hot as today (but not quite), but the wet bulb temperature is gold standard for the safety and it was low enough to proceed. WGBT was used in 1989 during my military basic training. Yellow flag meant drink a lot, Red flag meant reduced activities, Black flag was full stop. It's the combination of heat and humidity that make it dangerous.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 13, 2019 19:48:11 GMT -5
Given your beer hydration comment I assume that you are being somewhat sarcastic but if you haven't heard of the wet bulb then you also don't have any kids that play American football nor have you seen the TV coverage of those heat related deaths. You probably haven't run any marathons or half marathons either. The wet bulb has been used for well over 15 years maybe over 20 (time flies) to determine the safety of outdoor sports participation in the heat. Once it reaches a certain temp (near our body temp) you can no longer cool your body through either evaporation or even radiating the heat from your body. Yes it was hot this weekend. Yes it was almost as hot as today (but not quite), but the wet bulb temperature is gold standard for the safety and it was low enough to proceed. WGBT was used in 1989 during my military basic training. Yellow flag meant drink a lot, Red flag meant reduced activities, Black flag was full stop. It's the combination of heat and humidity that make it dangerous. Well you are older than I am, but it wasn't used when I was in high school in Florida at the end of the 80's and early 90's. The military is usually ahead of the sports medicine world.
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 13, 2019 20:06:47 GMT -5
Given your beer hydration comment I assume that you are being somewhat sarcastic but if you haven't heard of the wet bulb then you also don't have any kids that play American football nor have you seen the TV coverage of those heat related deaths. You probably haven't run any marathons or half marathons either. The wet bulb has been used for well over 15 years maybe over 20 (time flies) to determine the safety of outdoor sports participation in the heat. Once it reaches a certain temp (near our body temp) you can no longer cool your body through either evaporation or even radiating the heat from your body. Yes it was hot this weekend. Yes it was almost as hot as today (but not quite), but the wet bulb temperature is gold standard for the safety and it was low enough to proceed. WGBT was used in 1989 during my military basic training. Yellow flag meant drink a lot, Red flag meant reduced activities, Black flag was full stop. It's the combination of heat and humidity that make it dangerous. [ I’m a Marine. No longer active but similar time frame. The problem with wet bulb is that it doesn’t take into effect direct sunlight/intensity of sunlight. You must have been in the Navy though, my drill instructor didn’t care about the heat or the caution flags!!! 😝 And yes I was being somewhat sarcastic in my previous post since GA Soccer indicated at 95 degrees the body couldn’t cool itself.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 13, 2019 21:03:47 GMT -5
We had training tonight from 6-7:30. Afterwards I asked how it was and my kid told me it was hot, but not as bad as the weekend. They had extra water breaks, and had more instruction time (less running around) than usual.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 22:48:36 GMT -5
Can't post a pic, but a friend sent me a pic from earlier where the temp was 89 but the heat index/ feels like was 118 degrees.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 14, 2019 5:24:20 GMT -5
Once the sun went down it was fine, but at 4-6pm.. damn, it was hot. Probably smart to cancel.
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Post by soccer3 on Aug 14, 2019 12:36:56 GMT -5
Where is the recommendation to cancel training again for today? Same temps.. wonder if they will try and make a call again? What about for tournament's this weekend? Do the recommend those get cancelled. My child's team trained last night at 715 and had no issues. We've played in WAY worse including State Cup on turf.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 14, 2019 16:15:25 GMT -5
Where is the recommendation to cancel training again for today? Same temps.. wonder if they will try and make a call again? What about for tournament's this weekend? Do the recommend those get cancelled. My child's team trained last night at 715 and had no issues. We've played in WAY worse including State Cup on turf. A lot of clubs have their own rules. They are set in stone based on Heat Index or wind chill and also smog color level. Coaches don't have much choice except to find an indoor facility or a gym or something when this happens. Luckily this Thursday and Friday look to be out of the cancel type of situation 7pm and later if teams can hold off training till 7pm. Looks like the Heat Index will be about 92 then and temps in the mid to high 80's. Saturday looks to be bad after about 10:30-11:00am, and Sunday will be a little cooler but I bet still miserable. You know they won't cancel tournaments, that is a non-starter for any league or club.
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Post by guest on Aug 14, 2019 17:51:38 GMT -5
Gwinnett Football League (the kind you play with your hands) cancelled all practices yesterday. We are on for today and we did have scrimmages on Sat. Three back to back to back games on turf from 330 to 630. Felt a bit like The Junction Boys.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Aug 14, 2019 22:40:26 GMT -5
Where is the recommendation to cancel training again for today? Same temps.. wonder if they will try and make a call again? What about for tournament's this weekend? Do the recommend those get cancelled. My child's team trained last night at 715 and had no issues. We've played in WAY worse including State Cup on turf. On the news last night they explained how / why UGA cancel football practice when "relative" temperatures (taking humidity into account) get too high. They used a Relative Temperature Meter like this one on Amazon.
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Post by Respect on Aug 14, 2019 23:06:01 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 15, 2019 7:53:28 GMT -5
We don't know all the details, but my first thought is "Wow. That's really dumb." Whoever organized and decided to run it despite serious warnings from the state should definitely be disciplined and will be at serious risk of a civil suit. Why are high school basketball players training in August? Its one thing if you're outdoors and just going through tactics and getting plenty of water. Its another thing entirely if you're running conditioning in it.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 15, 2019 8:28:39 GMT -5
Its not worth the health risk for a single practice -- the late practices seemed fine, after 8 for example. We are talking about youth soccer here not world cup qualifying.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 15, 2019 8:39:09 GMT -5
We don't know all the details, but my first thought is "Wow. That's really dumb." Whoever organized and decided to run it despite serious warnings from the state should definitely be disciplined and will be at serious risk of a civil suit. Why are high school basketball players training in August? Its one thing if you're outdoors and just going through tactics and getting plenty of water. Its another thing entirely if you're running conditioning in it. Most high schools have basketball conditioning months before it actually starts. This is super unfortunate especially given that they could have run indoors up the stairs or bleachers and gotten a similar level of conditioning but at the right temperature environment. It was especially dumb to do outdoor conditioning for an indoor sport AND give them no water!
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 15, 2019 10:23:23 GMT -5
Wow. That is horrible. And exactly what was meant when GA soccer said these heat related injuries and deaths are preventable. Such a tragedy. And SO unnecessary!
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Post by nole95 on Aug 15, 2019 12:30:18 GMT -5
Yep. All it would take is one kid dying after a club ignored Georgia Soccer's recommendation, and said club would be facing a huge lawsuit. Maybe even Georgia Soccer would get hit as well for not being more forceful in making the clubs cancel practice.
Better to err on the side of caution. Maybe they need to implement something system wide like they have with lightning whereby if the heat index goes over a certain point, players can not be out on the field. Especially out on the turf fields that are always hotter than the actual air temperature.
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