Let me see if I can challenge your youth soccer theology... None of the youth soccer leagues, truly care about quality competition. None means none. Not USYS, not ECNL, not DA, not you name it League.
(1) Is ECNL competition better without FC Dallas, Tophat, Dallas Texans, San Diego Surf?
It wouldn't take you long to find clubs who performed more poorly than those clubs that were forced out. None of those clubs kissed the ENCL ring and thus were forced out.
(2) If US Soccer and their league (DA) really cared about competition and development they would work to find peace with ECNL. DA is guilty by association with US Soccer. DA has kicked teams out who have consistently performed poorly (see south florida)
USYS was probably the closest to real competition with their promotion/relegation and regional premier leagues, but they fell asleep at the wheel
and woke up after the system crashed. They probably should have attempted to partner somehow with ECNL way back when ECNL was in its infancy.
I am not attempting to start a debate, but would rather education some parents who may be new to the forum and girls soccer. Notice I am not putting the blame on the local youth clubs. After the age of u13 none of the elite soccer clubs in Atlanta will play everyone. In my opinion that is a shame, but due to the reasons listed above that is the reality in 2019 and the near future.
Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 9, 2019 8:39:01 GMT -5
In general I agree.
Yes, ECNL kept clubs playing at a consistently lower level than NTH, but the dropoff for NTH after U13 last year was pretty significant (only U13 qualified for nationals). IMO it was SCCL that killed TH ECNL moreso than anything else (based on the rules set up and loosely followed) by ECNL. I think the alternative of a "high level" league and coaching under the NTH banner without the travel expense was the straw that broke that camel's back. I think most parents don't want to mess with the $5K-$10K in travel and time taken. IMO its a big contributor to player and parent burnout (as is suddenly being relegated from a team a kid has been on for years because some new players arrive at tryouts). IMO DPL is a waste of time/expense for everyone involved. But it shows how easy it is to manage a league when you don't bungle it (like USYS has with NL).
Does the USSF really have (or even really WANT TO have the resources to properly oversee DA)? It has to be a bit of a resource-drain on the organization. Directors likely have to pretend they care about it in meetings. Organizationally I wonder if it falls under the MLS side of things or under its own heirarchy.
IMO The club-centric approach to league building is definitely a good thing. Yes, it consolidates power between the haves against the have-nots. But we as a country need to realize the benefits of this model and enact a club-centric league with promotion and relegation and open play-in tournaments between prospective newcomers and the teams they would replace who would be relegated.
For instance, in SCCL Boys, after 2018 fall, BUSA and SSA should have been on the relgation block. On the SCCL girls side; UFA, BUSA VHSC and GSA would all have been candidates.
In the end you will have some top players who would rather stay in the local leagues over the regional and national travel leagues.
In 2007, DA created an elite boys league. The federation was not interested in girls and so, had no plans of creating a similar league for girls. Hence, in 2009, along came ECNL to create an elite girls national league comparable to DA. The Federation that runs DA sat and watched as ECNL had instant success and was creating the same sort of competition and development that boys DA had created. (I think that a very large portion of power 5 college players from 2011-2018 were ECNL kids.) The federation also recruited a very large majority of the national pool players from ECNL teams.
Under the pretext that the Federation wanted to improve the USWNT pool (since boys DA had been so successful LOL and the USWNT was #1 in the world without DA), DA announced it would get more involved in girls youth soccer. It agreed to meet w/ ECNL to see if they could jointly work together. The two had talks, but DA's idea of jointly running the league was that DA would call "all of the shots." ECNL declined. And so, now there was a competition between the two.
The federation's philosophy to develop this new girls DA league was (1) only invite the best clubs with the best talent; (2) have combined age groups (e.g. 01/02s) to heighten competition; (3) practice 4 days a week and (4) disallow any non DA play such as high school play. Several clubs like Concorde, Eclipse, PDA and Mass Stars who were in both ECNL and DA, approached DA after the first year about its inflexibility on several fronts including the combined age groups. The main issue being that with a pool of 40 good 01s and 02s, what do you do with the 20 good kids who can't make the 20 girl roster 01/02 team? DA told those clubs to pound sand and so, they went all-in w/ ECNL given ECNL does not have combined age groups.
In turn, DA replaced these prestigious clubs with clubs none of us have heard of and the competition in DA (and ECNL) has eroded immensely requiring teams like TH to travel outside its league to places like Dallas for better competition. Then, DA announced they were abandoning #2 for the most part--1 year too late for PDA, Concorde, etc. (And too late for the TH 02s whose second team can't play ECNL but are playing in some bogus DPL league.)
So, where does it go from here? Who knows, its like Lyft v. Uber. The existence of both makes each of them weaker. ECNL's strength is that it has several of the best clubs in the nation and allows for High School play which is significant for lots of kids. DA's strength is that it has the carrot of the national team exposure for that .05% (though no matter how great you are at u15, not sure a mediocre college kid will be on the national team--but this can be discussed later) and it will likely affiliate more and more with MLS and prof woman's teams which could lead to better facilities/perks/cheaper play. I also predict DA will relent and allow senior girls to play high school soccer. That's my take.....
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southside steve: e-mail sent to me. from GA SOCCER. i assume it was sent to all members: Steve Keiss has resigned his position as President of the Georgia Soccer Board of Directors. The Georgia Soccer Board would like to thank Steve for his 12 years of service to the Board
Oct 2, 2019 7:59:33 GMT -5
JJQ90: SK did resign, are there more to follow?
Oct 7, 2019 9:25:08 GMT -5
soccerdriver4: Georgia Soccer and NL need a jump start. SCCL needs promotion/relegation, and better communication a must. Too much last minute stuff.
Oct 7, 2019 15:24:50 GMT -5
no news: SK is a lifetime member and still an ODP coach. Perhaps he is just moving on without anything more to it
Oct 7, 2019 19:30:16 GMT -5
Question: Why is soccer in Georgia and most other states fragmented and can it be fixed?
Oct 12, 2019 9:34:48 GMT -5
atlfutboldad: Why? Poor management/oversight from USYS. Can it be fixed? Doubtful, clubs don't want it fixed. It would take directive from the *weak* USSF.
Oct 15, 2019 17:27:06 GMT -5
SCCLparent: The more I begin to understand the soccer scene the more I realize how fragmented and diluted every league is. Why so many? Business? I doubt one is better than the other. Certainly not good for competition. Not good.
Nov 18, 2019 23:05:13 GMT -5
toddga675: There will be more fragmentation to come. SCCL will expand into more divisions. Georgia Soccer will counter with more leagues. USL will bring Academy divisions. ECNL will add another division. The level of fragmentation will eventually be quite amusing.
Nov 19, 2019 12:11:15 GMT -5
SCCLparent: Amusing for whom? How is that even any good for the sport or the kids?
Nov 19, 2019 21:51:19 GMT -5
atlfutboldad: That's terrible! ^ Unfortunate injuries happen, career-ending ones. I certainly would NOT put that on the coach, thats routine coaching and playing.
Dec 2, 2019 11:39:06 GMT -5
HS Teach/Coach: Well, only parents can put a stop to this nonsense of missing that many days. Club coaches DO NOT CARE! Totally agree with the parent who said missing a day maybe two, but 3 in one week is a bit excessive. If parents stop paying, clubs couldn't afford...
Dec 3, 2019 16:47:25 GMT -5
Realitysports: Hs soccer is a joke, perhaps that’s way ,many players committ to taking days off sense it’s a clear pathway and is worth the sacrifice I believe.
Dec 4, 2019 13:41:39 GMT -5
CC79: Is US Club or SCCL planning to do something with coaching education? I see nothing happening on that front unless is not the website.
Dec 7, 2019 10:35:52 GMT -5
Resposne to CC79: LOL .. Why would they care?
Dec 10, 2019 18:02:10 GMT -5
SSCL: Adding another summer league? Great, that's all we needed.
Dec 20, 2019 18:40:15 GMT -5
Strikermom: Good luck to all with high school tryouts this week
Jan 13, 2020 11:07:15 GMT -5
hattrick07: As much time and money spent to play ECNL, my daughter is more excited about her middle school soccer team. That speaks volumes.
Jan 14, 2020 7:52:38 GMT -5
REC: I don't know if it does. Many players enjoy the recreational level of middle school soccer because the look better within their comfort zone. It can be more fun than select.
Jan 17, 2020 19:37:20 GMT -5
slickdaddy96: Yes Middle and High School soccer is more fun because they get to play with their other school friends that play rec etc.... The competition is not as strong, and thus they can have more fun.
Jan 21, 2020 16:27:32 GMT -5