Let me see if I can challenge your youth soccer theology... None of the youth soccer leagues, truly care about quality competition. None means none. Not USYS, not ECNL, not DA, not you name it League.
(1) Is ECNL competition better without FC Dallas, Tophat, Dallas Texans, San Diego Surf?
It wouldn't take you long to find clubs who performed more poorly than those clubs that were forced out. None of those clubs kissed the ENCL ring and thus were forced out.
(2) If US Soccer and their league (DA) really cared about competition and development they would work to find peace with ECNL. DA is guilty by association with US Soccer. DA has kicked teams out who have consistently performed poorly (see south florida)
USYS was probably the closest to real competition with their promotion/relegation and regional premier leagues, but they fell asleep at the wheel
and woke up after the system crashed. They probably should have attempted to partner somehow with ECNL way back when ECNL was in its infancy.
I am not attempting to start a debate, but would rather education some parents who may be new to the forum and girls soccer. Notice I am not putting the blame on the local youth clubs. After the age of u13 none of the elite soccer clubs in Atlanta will play everyone. In my opinion that is a shame, but due to the reasons listed above that is the reality in 2019 and the near future.
Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 9, 2019 8:39:01 GMT -5
In general I agree.
Yes, ECNL kept clubs playing at a consistently lower level than NTH, but the dropoff for NTH after U13 last year was pretty significant (only U13 qualified for nationals). IMO it was SCCL that killed TH ECNL moreso than anything else (based on the rules set up and loosely followed) by ECNL. I think the alternative of a "high level" league and coaching under the NTH banner without the travel expense was the straw that broke that camel's back. I think most parents don't want to mess with the $5K-$10K in travel and time taken. IMO its a big contributor to player and parent burnout (as is suddenly being relegated from a team a kid has been on for years because some new players arrive at tryouts). IMO DPL is a waste of time/expense for everyone involved. But it shows how easy it is to manage a league when you don't bungle it (like USYS has with NL).
Does the USSF really have (or even really WANT TO have the resources to properly oversee DA)? It has to be a bit of a resource-drain on the organization. Directors likely have to pretend they care about it in meetings. Organizationally I wonder if it falls under the MLS side of things or under its own heirarchy.
IMO The club-centric approach to league building is definitely a good thing. Yes, it consolidates power between the haves against the have-nots. But we as a country need to realize the benefits of this model and enact a club-centric league with promotion and relegation and open play-in tournaments between prospective newcomers and the teams they would replace who would be relegated.
For instance, in SCCL Boys, after 2018 fall, BUSA and SSA should have been on the relgation block. On the SCCL girls side; UFA, BUSA VHSC and GSA would all have been candidates.
In the end you will have some top players who would rather stay in the local leagues over the regional and national travel leagues.
In 2007, DA created an elite boys league. The federation was not interested in girls and so, had no plans of creating a similar league for girls. Hence, in 2009, along came ECNL to create an elite girls national league comparable to DA. The Federation that runs DA sat and watched as ECNL had instant success and was creating the same sort of competition and development that boys DA had created. (I think that a very large portion of power 5 college players from 2011-2018 were ECNL kids.) The federation also recruited a very large majority of the national pool players from ECNL teams.
Under the pretext that the Federation wanted to improve the USWNT pool (since boys DA had been so successful LOL and the USWNT was #1 in the world without DA), DA announced it would get more involved in girls youth soccer. It agreed to meet w/ ECNL to see if they could jointly work together. The two had talks, but DA's idea of jointly running the league was that DA would call "all of the shots." ECNL declined. And so, now there was a competition between the two.
The federation's philosophy to develop this new girls DA league was (1) only invite the best clubs with the best talent; (2) have combined age groups (e.g. 01/02s) to heighten competition; (3) practice 4 days a week and (4) disallow any non DA play such as high school play. Several clubs like Concorde, Eclipse, PDA and Mass Stars who were in both ECNL and DA, approached DA after the first year about its inflexibility on several fronts including the combined age groups. The main issue being that with a pool of 40 good 01s and 02s, what do you do with the 20 good kids who can't make the 20 girl roster 01/02 team? DA told those clubs to pound sand and so, they went all-in w/ ECNL given ECNL does not have combined age groups.
In turn, DA replaced these prestigious clubs with clubs none of us have heard of and the competition in DA (and ECNL) has eroded immensely requiring teams like TH to travel outside its league to places like Dallas for better competition. Then, DA announced they were abandoning #2 for the most part--1 year too late for PDA, Concorde, etc. (And too late for the TH 02s whose second team can't play ECNL but are playing in some bogus DPL league.)
So, where does it go from here? Who knows, its like Lyft v. Uber. The existence of both makes each of them weaker. ECNL's strength is that it has several of the best clubs in the nation and allows for High School play which is significant for lots of kids. DA's strength is that it has the carrot of the national team exposure for that .05% (though no matter how great you are at u15, not sure a mediocre college kid will be on the national team--but this can be discussed later) and it will likely affiliate more and more with MLS and prof woman's teams which could lead to better facilities/perks/cheaper play. I also predict DA will relent and allow senior girls to play high school soccer. That's my take.....
PassionforSoccer2019: MR was like the investigative reporter who found out to much. Oh and by the way their Girls DOC resigned today bc of the leadership - or lack there of.
Sept 10, 2019 20:54:00 GMT -5
atlsoccerdad: MR was given a nice package to leave quietly and keep his mouth shut. Some shady things at Rush for sure... probably all the way up at the National level...
Sept 11, 2019 22:35:45 GMT -5
slickdaddy96: MR has a history of not staying too long anywhere though at least recently and for dropping some curse words regularly as well though.
Sept 12, 2019 7:30:06 GMT -5