Post by gaprospects on Sept 11, 2017 0:54:13 GMT -5
AU 03's lost to Carolina Rapids 2-0, Concorde beat them 6-0. But Concorde lost 4-1 to CSA and AU beat them 2-1. Really can't draw any correlation from any of that.
And for what it's worth, I haven't seen any team that's using 02's in the 03 bracket in any game reports. Unless you're straight up accusing teams of falsifying birth certificates (which is befitting of the other forum), I would hope you could cite a specific example of this happening before you get riled up over it.
I'd love to see pro/rel in the United States from a fan perspective. But the size of our country just works against it and MLS owners will NEVER go for it. Not in a million years.
In my opinion, more important than pro/rel is getting college soccer to play by FIFA rules to bring it in line with the rest of the world. I also think colleges should switch to a 10-month season instead of cramming all their games in the fall.
10 month season is a must. I don't mind the substitution rules in the NCAA because it lets more kids get game opportunities and that's not a bad thing for 18-22 year olds. The clock counting down is a wash for me, if anything it's more accurate than arbitrarily adding a number of minutes to the end of the half.
Post by gaprospects on Jul 25, 2017 9:20:08 GMT -5
It sounds great on paper. But there's no way MLS was going to sign a 10-year rights deal that takes effect in 2023. There's a chance they can get more than $4 bn six years from now, and there's no guarantee Silva would still have the money then.
It's at least a real start to these discussions (beyond angry twitter accounts). Silva knew this bid would never be accepted and probably put it out there just for the publicity. If MLS has more pressure on it now to do something about pro/rel, maybe they actually will when the time comes.
Look I don't want to be negative about a bunch of 15 to 18 year olds, but when your signed and going to sign home grown contracts for real cash - it's fair.
None of the home growns played very well today. Was shocked that even carelton was off his game, he's usually dominant with every touch. I didnt think any of them stood out over the players on their own and the opposing team. Bello showed some signs of flash and unreal pace getting forward but didn't seem committed to defense. Patrick's goal obviously was nice(which I did not see). I expected dominance from all these guys.
The 18s did dominate possession, but felt LA missed a few easy chances. I was surprised at how much coaching TA was doing all game.
Just because the team has a couple of kids on professional deals doesn't make that team head and shoulders above everyone else. Even FC Dallas started 3 homegrown players yesterday and lost to Beachside. At the playoffs, every team is good and has earned their place there, and no team is carried by one or two players.
Throughout the year, while Patrick and Lagos have been key players for AU's 18's, they haven't been the only guys. The 18's are a well-rounded team, so expecting dominance from the couple of guys who got signed doesn't give enough credit to the other guys on the team. Same with the 16's.
Particular passages that stand out, picked out to contrast those picked out above:
"But what I want you to see about Pulisic, and in truth about all supposedly elite young players, is that the club complex is merely a repository for the talent, a place to stash it and watch it grow as opposed to the creator of the seed itself. We’ve grown so enamored with the idea that coaches and systems Make Players that we’ve largely forgotten that the best ones are knitted together at birth and largely nurtured in the most substantive ways at home and in the street." ...
"As Exhibit A, I present a video of Pulisic embarrassing children as a microscopic 9-year-old. This is not normal, nor was it coached into him by any holistic club system. It was his father, a former player himself, working with him for hours and hours on end. It was Pulisic working in unstructured environments at 6, 7, 8 years old, hitting balls alone against backboards and house siding and playing 3v3 with friends with coke cans and sweatshirts as goalposts."
I'll leave you to click on the article to see the mentioned video, and it's worth clicking on it since he goes into a lot more than what's mentioned here. It's always interesting to see player development debated in a public arena like this, especially when non-traditional soccer outlets like Yahoo are involved (I mean, you would expect to find something like this on TopDrawerSoccer). I do agree with Parchman that the DA and MLS are better served figuring out how to pump out players like Kellyn Acosta as opposed to trying to replicate the same circumstances that helped create Pulisic.
Post by gaprospects on Jun 9, 2017 12:48:01 GMT -5
In the long-term, DA clubs and MLS clubs will be judged on the players who graduate from their systems. Unless your team is making a very deep playoff run like Georgia United did in 2015, the team success isn't going to be remembered as much. Of course, that GA United team had some incredible individual players as well.
For this year's GA United 02's, there was never going to be a scenario in which that team could stay together. It's disappointing, but it's expected. Even in the past at GA United, the older birth-year dominated the rosters, which led to pretty high turnover year-to-year. At Concorde it's generally even higher. And that's before you even take into account new players coming from other clubs.
USL is a professional league below MLS in the pyramid (if you can call it a pyramid). It is made up of 30 teams, 12 of which are the reserve teams of MLS clubs. The expectation is that Atlanta United intends to create a reserve team in this league, most likely starting next season.
MLS teams generally have four types of players on these USL reserve rosters: 1) First team players who aren't getting playing time in MLS and need minutes 2) Regular professional players, usually recent college graduates or guys who have been playing in the lower levels in the US for some time 3) Their own academy products who are signed to professional contracts, but don't have room for in the first team (yet) 4) Current academy players who are on "academy contracts," which allow the player to get professional experience without ending their NCAA eligibility
The expectation is that AU will be taking their most promising kids from their U17 and U19 teams and signing them to either pro deals or academy deals with this USL team. This will trickle down through the academy, leaving more opportunities for U17 players to play up with the 19's, and in turn, chances for NL 02's to play with the U17's.
I would expect a handful of 02's to go straight into the U17 DA team, since right now they don't have nearly enough 01's to fill a whole roster. An 02 team gives AU a pool of potential DP's for the U17's, plus it gives them more room to take in players from teams like the GAU 02's.
With USL coming soon, AU is going to start promoting their best players through their system much more quickly, so I'd expect the players rostered on this new National League team will get plenty of chances to play with the DA team.
Post by gaprospects on Jun 4, 2017 16:35:36 GMT -5
So, the clubs who won state championships on the boys side:
U13: MAYS U14: CFA Dalton U15: Smyrna SC U16: KSA U17: Concorde U18: Tormenta FC U20: NASA
Seven different clubs, and several who are overlooked consistently when talking about the state's successful programs. If all you read was this forum, you might think there were only 5-6 relevant clubs in the state, but this shows otherwise.
Post by gaprospects on Jun 2, 2017 15:11:34 GMT -5
The U15 boys bracket is huge. 15 clubs from 3 states. It looks like they might be keeping standings at that age as well next year. With the rumors that U14 Summer Showcase is going away, maybe the replacement is playoffs at U15 (the same aged kids)? Will be interesting to see.
Post by gaprospects on May 21, 2017 20:31:55 GMT -5
Just looking at the USSDA game report from the website, it looks like AU used 3 of their national team '03s in the 02 game. Can anyone who was at the match (guerillaman) confirm that? Those reports aren't always correct.
Post by gaprospects on May 21, 2017 11:06:09 GMT -5
I think it was unrealistic to expect them to get it exactly right in year one at every age group, and with players that young it's hard to predict much about their performance from a 2-day tryout. For the club's immediate future, it was much more important to get the selections right in the older teams, which they clearly did.
Now they've had a full year to scout whomever both in the state and throughout the Southeast, so player selection shouldn't be an excuse. We'll get to see if the struggles are truly down to coaching.
Post by gaprospects on May 19, 2017 10:30:57 GMT -5
Those kind of agreements cost a lot of money. United is giving GaTech hundreds of thousands of dollars for every game they play in BDS. Boris asked the Silverbacks for 12.5k to offset the cost of rescheduling the Wednesday-night leagues, and that price was too steep for the Silverbacks to take. NPSL teams operate on tiny budgets, so as inconvenient as it was, you have to give the Silverbacks credit for doing what they could.
Anyone go or watch the game? Wondering how the talent level compared with one another?
I was there. It was a very even game. The Silverbacks could have won had a couple of things gone their way.
The heat was the defining feature of the match. 95-ish degrees in the mid-afternoon, and it showed on the field as both teams tired out very quickly in the second half, making it a pretty sluggish, stop-start type of match.
Post by gaprospects on May 16, 2017 17:58:59 GMT -5
Shame about the time, but I'll be there. Benefits of having nothing to do on a Wednesday afternoon.
For all of the continuing issues with the Silverbacks they have put together a good, deep squad. They just played 3 games in 4 days and won them all. The Battery have been winning as well, they're top of the Eastern Conference in USL this season.
So, two old rivals, both in great form coming in. Throw in the usual US Open Cup madness, and this promises to be a great one.
Post by gaprospects on May 8, 2017 19:28:04 GMT -5
I'm pleasantly surprised that Concorde held AU scoreless for an hour in the U18 game, even if they did lose 3-0. AU's U18s are ranked #1 in the nation and nearly half the kids playing for Concorde were callups from their RPL team. Says a lot about the depth of talent in this city.
As for the 03's, I know AU is bringing in multiple kids from out of state and I'm sure they'll pull in some new kids from in state as well. Plus, their current squad has four kids who have already been to national team camps, which is probably better than winning games for their purposes.
I used to strongly support the Silverbacks (season tickets for many years) until their ownership finally proved once and for all that they are not serious... not that I necessarily blame them this last time with Atlanta United opening up. And I'm an Atlanta United supporter now.
But these kinds of games are no-win for the "stronger" side. It's like playing a team two years younger than you, or the club's third team scrimmaging the first team, or JV scrimmaging varsity, or a girls team playing in a boys bracket in a tournament -- if the "expected" team wins, it's expected... if not it makes them look bad, even if they play players out of position or give more playing time to normal bench players.
Still, the NASL Silverbacks have done well in the US Open Cup in the past against MLS teams, so not to take anything away from them.
I disagree that this has no benefit for the stronger side. The Silverbacks are a competent team with a bunch of former pros in the side. I mean, the guy who scored the offside goal, McCauley, led CONCACAF in goals during WC Qualifying last cycle (he plays for Belize but still, not bad). United's team was mostly guys who haven't played much this season in MLS with a handful of U18 kids mixed in. For the first teamers, this was a chance for a lot of them to get a run-out against a solid team and get some match fitness. For the academy kids, it's a chance to get more experience playing alongside the pros and to challenge themselves against better players than what they normally see in the DA. I see plenty of benefit all around in this scrimmage.
Post by gaprospects on Apr 27, 2017 9:33:07 GMT -5
It's entirely up to the player and his level of ambition. There are tons of success stories on both sides. Getting a degree and a good education can be invaluable if the soccer career doesn't work out.
A great recent example was JJ Koval. He was a California kid who was four-year starter at Stanford and went top 10 in the MLS SuperDraft. He never stuck anywhere in MLS and rather than make a cheap salary in USL, he retired and went back to school to become a dentist. So, soccer didn't work out for him, but he still had that bachelor's degree from Stanford, and that gets you a long, long way in the real world.
Most of the guys on the national team had extensive experience in college. I wonder if that will change now that most of the top 25 players every year are usually either getting MLS Homegrown deals, USL deals or going abroad. It feels like a change in landscape and mentality for these young guys.
Post by gaprospects on Apr 21, 2017 14:02:55 GMT -5
A couple of excellent potential matchups in the 2nd round on the boys side: Peachtree Ridge-Etowah, Walton-Collins Hill, and Pebblebrook-Rockdale County. Some other good potential 2nd rounders at other classifications: Clarkston-Star's Mill, McIntosh-Cross Keys, SE Whitfield-Woodward Academy
Post by gaprospects on Apr 14, 2017 13:40:34 GMT -5
So the latest episode of MLS's weekly podcast ExtraTimeRadio includes an interview from the Generation adidas Cup with Tony Annan. The interview starts around the 30-minute mark and I would highly recommend giving it a listen. The MLS Technical Director of Youth Development Fred Lipka is also apart of the interview (he used to be a director with the academy at Le Havre AC in France, who have a world-renowned academy and several world-class products). It's an overarching interview about MLS player development as a whole.
Among the biggest highlights for me was TA talking about his relationship with Tata, Bocanegra and the other club brass. Tata apparently brings 15-16 of the older academy kids into first team training every Thursday to play against the pros and get exposed to their tactics and training habits. He also says that Tata has been out to watch the academy matches and regularly asks for updates on several players. Tata has been a believer in young guys his entire career, so this isn't really a surprise, but it's still exciting to hear just how committed he is to development.
Post by gaprospects on Apr 7, 2017 11:44:42 GMT -5
Barber isn't the only '03 they've signed from out of state, I've seen another one of these postings about a kid from Johnson City, TN. Looks like both kids played on a Regional ODP squad together back in November.
I get the feeling that these types of "signing day" announcements are more about the coaches and the clubs rather than the players. Mississippi Rush is probably very happy to have a player of theirs on an MLS team's radar.
I know of a kid that walked away from one of the older AU teams -- it was great and all being on a top team like that, but at the end of the day, being player 18 on an 18 man roster where you might be playing 10 minutes a game if your lucky is no fun for kid with aspirations of playing college soccer. I don't care what showcase and playoffs the DA team attends, if the kid isn't on the field he won't be seen. Its tough, but at the end of the day the other 17 players might just be better and thats it.
Kids want to play in games, they don't want to be cheerleaders.
Saw Atlanta Uniteds 13s lost to Triangle. Not even sure how thats possible given the talent they have. It will all get fixed by u16/u18 when it "matters", but still shocking. I know wins/losses do no really matter at u13 and u14, but I've seen many DA coaches think otherwise. Some are great, play all kids equally at these ages, and mix the squads up, others play their top 11 and everyone else on the roster get minimal minutes.
And if you haven't seen Ga Uniteds 14s play, your missing out. Go watch one of their remaining games this season. Robin Dixon deserves coach of the Decade for the job he has done. Unreal, they play beautiful soccer, work hard, move the ball around and most importantly play as a team. Obviously with the 2 year age groups next season and probably some of their top players moving over to AU, the team will get split up, but its a shame. Probably best u14 team in the south. It just goes to show you what a difference a little heart and quality coaching can do.
The 3 best players I ever played with in my life were so different - one thing they all had in common was when they stepped on the field, losing was not an option - most competitive 3 kids I've met in my life and all had extremely high soccer IQs.
1st went on to be one of if not the greatest players in US soccer history. He was no doubt an above average youth player. Even at 18, He was good, but you didn't look at him as a youth player and think one day he would become so smooth and silky and one of the best ever to play his position.
2nd - hardest working blue collar player I'd ever played with my life. Relentless offensively and on the defensive side. Back in the 4-4-2 days with a stop and sweeper, he played center mid and just out worked you. He ended up taking a duke team to a national title game and chose a career over soccer
3rd - the greatest soccer player I'd ever seen. Left footed player with size and speed, was built like a running back. Wasn't the most technical and didn't work hard at all, but kid was just a flat out athletic competitor and refused to lose. He would run circles around the future US soccer defender. Unfortunately, school really wasn't his thing, he went to a small school, received freshman player of the year in the conference and dropped out. Still to this date, I think he's the greatest player I've ever seen. Its fascinating given he probably could juggle maybe 50 times tops.
Sorry, had to go back and edit -- left off my point, at the u13/u14, they really are still kids and their is no crystal ball still on what they will become. Yes there are a few standouts, typically just because of their physical presence, so at these ages teams that focus soley on their starting 11 are missing the boat. I understand this philosophy at the older age groups though, there you start to see a switch to playing for results and by results I mean wins.
Some of the results with Atlanta United's younger teams have been surprising. You would expect the team who has the pick of their kids in the city (and really the Southeast) to be dominant at every level, but credit to GA United and Concorde for putting some really strong teams together. Hopefully I'll get to see the GA United 02s before the season ends, because they really do have some nice players.
I will say this, if GA United's top 02s want to play for Atlanta United next year, they'll have to make TA's split-age U17 team. AU was actually pretty good about splitting their current U16s pretty evenly between 00 and 01, and they aren't shy about playing the younger guys over the 00s either. That being said, there will only be around 11-13 slots available for 02s on that roster, and a lot of those places will be filled by kids already at AU as well as kids that they recruit from somewhere else. I'm sure Atlanta United already has their eye on a couple of guys from that GAU 02 team, but it will be a difficult decision for them, especially with UFA now in the picture.
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