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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 8:28:39 GMT -5
Any truth to the rumor that going back to the school-year age grouping is at least being considered?
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Post by surgesoccer on May 2, 2018 22:06:35 GMT -5
There is another post on this so at leas two people have heard it. Iw would love it as my son would gain an extra year back that he lost. December birthday so age groupings definitely affected us.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 2, 2018 22:19:43 GMT -5
I haven't heard about that except here. Only crazy rumor i heard was that AUFC was thinking of doing GDA, but Im sure that's also not happening
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Post by greenmonkey on May 2, 2018 22:39:45 GMT -5
So grumpy if AU trys to field GDA before Atlanta gets an NWSL team. You hear me Mr B?! The Boston Breakers were ripe for the picking!
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Post by Keeper on May 2, 2018 23:59:05 GMT -5
So grumpy if AU trys to field GDA before Atlanta gets an NWSL team. You hear me Mr B?! The Boston Breakers were ripe for the picking! smiles GM Nwsl? What’s that??? I thought females could only play professionally in Europe? 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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Post by SoccerMom on May 3, 2018 5:43:19 GMT -5
So grumpy if AU trys to field GDA before Atlanta gets an NWSL team. You hear me Mr B?! The Boston Breakers were ripe for the picking! smiles GM Nwsl? What’s that??? I thought females could only play professionally in Europe? 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ As long as they dont call it Atlanta Beat again.....
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Post by rifle on May 3, 2018 6:14:06 GMT -5
Nwsl? What’s that??? I thought females could only play professionally in Europe? 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ If they don't like starvation.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 3, 2018 8:27:28 GMT -5
Nwsl? What’s that??? I thought females could only play professionally in Europe? 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ As long as they dont call it Atlanta Beat again..... Hey I still have an Atlanta Beat T shirt and I didn't even live here then! Oops! I just gave myself away. At some point someone will see me with that shirt and will know who I am! LOL!
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Post by petrcechitout on May 3, 2018 8:48:34 GMT -5
Please Stop with the Rumored Age Changes, since that is not going to happen in 2018-19. :-)
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Post by SoccerMom on May 3, 2018 13:15:49 GMT -5
As long as they dont call it Atlanta Beat again..... Hey I still have an Atlanta Beat T shirt and I didn't even live here then! Oops! I just gave myself away. At some point someone will see me with that shirt and will know who I am! LOL! Haha I have one somewhere too lol. We have tried that name twice already so Im thinking if we get a 3rd chance then we should pick something else lol
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 4, 2018 9:26:40 GMT -5
Please Stop with the Rumored Age Changes, since that is not going to happen in 2018-19. :-) I'm totally against another age group change. They already messed it all up once. Why blow it all up again? At this point, I'm happy with the original change, and my son's team will be on a pretty decent Select team in U13 next year. Blowing this cohesive team up would suck. My only hope would be that our Director allows the younger kids to play up to keep the team the same. There is no reason to fix this at this point. Leave it be. In reality they should have never done it across the board to begin with. They should have grandfathered birth year for the U9's that year, then U9's and U10's the next, etc.... It's too late now. Just let it be.
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Post by rifle on May 4, 2018 13:50:50 GMT -5
It needs to be switched back. This is the opinion of a parent of an eleven year old born Dec 29 who recently played U14 rec soccer because of the pointless birth year change. They changed the ages for REC SOCCER.
The federation couldn't be more tone deaf.
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Post by rantingsoccerdad on May 4, 2018 16:52:28 GMT -5
There was no reason whatsoever to force rec soccer to change. None. And, in fact, a lot of rec programs near me have persisted in the Aug. 1 cutoff. USSF at first said that was OK. Then they said, well, maybe not, but who's going to enforce it if someone really wants to have, say, a middle-school league?
So maybe they could clarify that rec leagues can do as they please. Maybe even lower-level travel leagues.
But I agree with a previous poster -- changing BACK throughout USSF would do more harm than good at this point. There was no valid reason to do it -- even England uses the school-year-ish age groups, for Pete's sake -- but there's no real point in going through another transition.
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Post by rifle on May 4, 2018 18:34:14 GMT -5
The only point being to correct a mistake.
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Post by trumpetflower on May 4, 2018 18:50:08 GMT -5
rec needs biobanding
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 4, 2018 20:40:35 GMT -5
The only point being to correct a mistake. Really there are two ways to look at this mistake. It split the teams up as far as grade level goes...well this is valid only in certain states. The cut off is not August 1 in all states (and isn't in Georgia either). So this argument doesn't really hold water across the US. The second argument is that it hurt some kids that had to skip a year. I agree with that as my daughter missed a year of training compared to nearly every kid on her team. But that is done now and so to change it back would just be another mistake. It would not really correct the mistake.
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Post by surgesoccer on May 4, 2018 22:20:38 GMT -5
I support changing it back simply to get the year back that was lost. When my son is in u15 and 8th grade, more than half the kids he played u14 with will be in high school. Not sure how that is going to work. I guess play with his team in the Fall and play rec or some combined team for the Spring.
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Post by fan on May 5, 2018 9:47:13 GMT -5
I support changing it back simply to get the year back that was lost. When my son is in u15 and 8th grade, more than half the kids he played u14 with will be in high school. Not sure how that is going to work. I guess play with his team in the Fall and play rec or some combined team for the Spring. And then when he’s a junior it happens again when half his team graduates at the end of the spring. The kids a grade behind lose out again. Several senior girls we know didn’t play in the fall because they didn’t want to start over again with another team. My guess is that it will happen again this year.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 5, 2018 10:07:31 GMT -5
Yea, the major impacted ages this year were the 03's and 99's.
next year will be the 04s and the 00s
I was a big anti age mandate guy, especially given the age matrix flop, where for 6 months nobody could tell you what age group a particular birth year fell. The original matrix made sense, age groups were shifted back a year vs the current one.
Again with DA expansion and girls DA, switch wasn't necessary and was a step backwards, having both systems in place was an excellent alternative for dealing with the relative age effect.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2018 10:44:24 GMT -5
My daughter will be part of that sparse U19 group fall of her senior year...
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Post by surgesoccer on May 5, 2018 10:51:54 GMT -5
What makes it worse is my son is a December birthday. If I knew then what I know now might have told my wife let's wait a month before we have that bottle of wine.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 5, 2018 11:04:36 GMT -5
What makes it worse is my son is a December birthday. If I knew then what I know now might have told my wife let's wait a month before we have that bottle of wine. Being a December birthday is tough for lots of reasons! It did help your taxes that year though! LOL! It will all work out. The change had winners and losers as every change does. It helped my little one (April) and hurt my older (August). To switch back would hurt my little one more because she is also small. My older one, being in August is not as hurt because she was already a grade above everyone with the old method and now is in the same grade as the majority of her team. She did spend only one year at 9v9 though so that hurt a bit. And being the oldest before and now on the younger end hurt plus losing one year of training compared to others hurt too. She is still trying to catch up on that. I was really angry when they changed it but now that we have spent two years with it I pretty much don't care anymore. Not worth my energy complaining about...
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 7, 2018 10:41:47 GMT -5
It needs to be switched back. This is the opinion of a parent of an eleven year old born Dec 29 who recently played U14 rec soccer because of the pointless birth year change. They changed the ages for REC SOCCER. The federation couldn't be more tone deaf. See but if you think about it no matter when the grouping is someone is going to get screwed. Before it was the kids with a June July birthday get screwed while the ones that were August and September birthdays benefited. Now it is just the later year birthdays that get screwed and the earlier year birthdays get the benefit. Point is who is to say who gets screwed over and who gets the benefit? Its proven statistically that at least in the younger ages that being the oldest in a group will get you on the better teams just because you are bigger than the kid that is almost a year younger than you. My son is a May birthday, so really it never really hurt or helped him by age group changing. At this point he is old enough to where a year or so difference in the players he plays isn't going to make much of a difference if they were born in December or born in January. Its about the skill set more than the athleticism at this point.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 7, 2018 11:37:20 GMT -5
Keep in my mind that the age mandate didn't jibe with the small sided mandates: the aug to dec birthdays are now being forced to larger fields earlier. Also, hence the reason to have 2 systems in place: 1) Calander year for DA and odp 2) academic year of everything else
also they switched for the international standard, which also is only the same for 6 months of the year. So again, makes no sense.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 7, 2018 12:05:42 GMT -5
Keep in my mind that the age mandate didn't jibe with the small sided mandates: the aug to dec birthdays are now being forced to larger fields earlier. Also, hence the reason to have 2 systems in place: 1) Calander year for DA and odp 2) academic year of everything else also they switched for the international standard, which also is only the same for 6 months of the year. So again, makes no sense. I initially thought this was a problem. My daughter went from U10 to U12. However it became apparent that 9v9 was too small of a field for them in the spring. I do think the switch hurt her with that jump but not because of the field size. I would not want to change it back though. It would be a pain to go back again.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 7, 2018 15:53:16 GMT -5
To me it has nothing to do with helping or hurting the late birthdays vs the early ones. It has to do with playing with kids that are in your same grade which most times means your friends from school. Well that... and the whole 8th-9th and 12th grade spring seasons being basically lost.
The reason to change would be to fix a dumb decision in the first place...
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Post by rifle on May 7, 2018 15:59:44 GMT -5
It needs to be switched back. This is the opinion of a parent of an eleven year old born Dec 29 who recently played U14 rec soccer because of the pointless birth year change. They changed the ages for REC SOCCER. The federation couldn't be more tone deaf. See but if you think about it no matter when the grouping is someone is going to get screwed. Before it was the kids with a June July birthday get screwed while the ones that were August and September birthdays benefited. Now it is just the later year birthdays that get screwed and the earlier year birthdays get the benefit. Point is who is to say who gets screwed over and who gets the benefit? Its proven statistically that at least in the younger ages that being the oldest in a group will get you on the better teams just because you are bigger than the kid that is almost a year younger than you. My son is a May birthday, so really it never really hurt or helped him by age group changing. At this point he is old enough to where a year or so difference in the players he plays isn't going to make much of a difference if they were born in December or born in January. Its about the skill set more than the athleticism at this point. It's not about January or June or December having a "relative age effect" advantage. It's about being able to play at all. After the "birth year mandate" a bunch of players born Aug-Dec get dumped from any soccer in the Spring of 8th grade because their slightly younger peers (same grade, Jan-Jul) are still playing club soccer but Aug-Dec are now too old for club, so no spring season. Aug-Dec is not in high school yet with the rest of their birth year.. because the age cutoff isn't in sync with the school calendar. Then when Aug-Dec is still a HS junior playing club soccer with Jan-Jul birth year peers who are HS seniors, they get to look forward to 2/3 of their age group moving along with life because they all graduated. ....all so the National team can take twenty players to go play in a birth year bracket. Tone deaf morons, protecting their income in the name of soccer.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 7, 2018 16:21:10 GMT -5
To me it has nothing to do with helping or hurting the late birthdays vs the early ones. It has to do with playing with kids that are in your same grade which most times means your friends from school. Well that... and the whole 8th-9th and 12th grade spring seasons being basically lost. The reason to change would be to fix a dumb decision in the first place... Well as I tried to point out before, here in Georgia the prior set up for soccer was August 1-July 31. And school year is September 1-August 31. One In twelve kids in Georgia was NOT playing with kids from their grade. Now it is one third of kids roughly since this doesnt account for kids held back or skipping grades. In 6 states the school year cut off is earlier so they had fewer kids playing with a different grade before the switch. In 19 states the school year cut off is later than Georgia or the local education department may choose a date after September 1st but before January 1st. So in those states the birth year mandate had less of an effect. In some cases it was a wash. In others it made it better. There are also many children that are held back a year and some that skip forward a grade. The only true option to fix that would be to set up the soccer to match their grade in school. I agree that the rec programs should have been set up for the prior method but if I remember correctly the federation did allow the states that option for rec. Could be wrong since it was two years ago. In academy though thus far my child has never played with a schoolmate. Why? Our previous club drew from dozens of elementary schools in our county. None of her teammates went to her school and were in her grade. The current club is in the adjacent county to where we live (though we live on the border) and it draws from dozens of middle schools. There are a few kids on her team that go to the same school and are in the same grade, but several are like her with no one on her team from the same school. To be honest I did not like the switch when they made it, but I think it would be dumb to change it back. I feel bad for those 8th graders with kids that are on 9th grade on their team but every club I have seen had a "spring league" option for those kids. Maybe they don't have all of the same kids on their team but from my standpoint it is an opportunity to meet new kids and make new friends. What is wrong with that? Also many counties offer middle school soccer too. I feel for those kids on composite teams as seniors too but same thing...make new friends. Life comes with challenges and changes that we must adjust to or struggle. It is a good life lesson.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 8, 2018 12:23:20 GMT -5
To me it has nothing to do with helping or hurting the late birthdays vs the early ones. It has to do with playing with kids that are in your same grade which most times means your friends from school. Well that... and the whole 8th-9th and 12th grade spring seasons being basically lost. The reason to change would be to fix a dumb decision in the first place... Well as I tried to point out before, here in Georgia the prior set up for soccer was August 1-July 31. And school year is September 1-August 31. One In twelve kids in Georgia was NOT playing with kids from their grade. Now it is one third of kids roughly since this doesnt account for kids held back or skipping grades. In 6 states the school year cut off is earlier so they had fewer kids playing with a different grade before the switch. In 19 states the school year cut off is later than Georgia or the local education department may choose a date after September 1st but before January 1st. So in those states the birth year mandate had less of an effect. In some cases it was a wash. In others it made it better. There are also many children that are held back a year and some that skip forward a grade. The only true option to fix that would be to set up the soccer to match their grade in school. I agree that the rec programs should have been set up for the prior method but if I remember correctly the federation did allow the states that option for rec. Could be wrong since it was two years ago. In academy though thus far my child has never played with a schoolmate. Why? Our previous club drew from dozens of elementary schools in our county. None of her teammates went to her school and were in her grade. The current club is in the adjacent county to where we live (though we live on the border) and it draws from dozens of middle schools. There are a few kids on her team that go to the same school and are in the same grade, but several are like her with no one on her team from the same school. To be honest I did not like the switch when they made it, but I think it would be dumb to change it back. I feel bad for those 8th graders with kids that are on 9th grade on their team but every club I have seen had a "spring league" option for those kids. Maybe they don't have all of the same kids on their team but from my standpoint it is an opportunity to meet new kids and make new friends. What is wrong with that? Also many counties offer middle school soccer too. I feel for those kids on composite teams as seniors too but same thing...make new friends. Life comes with challenges and changes that we must adjust to or struggle. It is a good life lesson. Completely agree. My son only plays with one kid from his school, and even then they are never in the same classes at the huge Middle School they go to anyway, and prior to that in Elementary school he played with 0 players from his school. In that same respect his best friends are from his Soccer team. Birthdays were always inviting the soccer teammates and not any of his school classmates. You spend so much time on a team, you develop way bigger friendships with your teammates over your classmates. We won't get messed up in the 8th-9th and 12th debacle, and I do feel for the people that have August-December birthdays in that boat, but most clubs as you say do offer a Spring Season for kids that don't have anywhere else to play due to the school issue even if it isn't with your normal team.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 8, 2018 13:09:17 GMT -5
To oraclesfriend and Slickdaddy... so you "heard" that there was a spring season for those 8th graders for Aug.-Dec. birthdays. Well, my kid got caught in that with the very first year of the age mandate, and let me tell you, there was NO season. So to me it sounds like you haven't experienced it and you're regurgitating what the clubs "sad" would happen. In reality it did not happen. And this will happen again when she is in 12th grade. It's hard to have to tell your kid, who just loves playing, that she will have to miss 2 full seasons because someone made a stupid decision that effects less than 1% of all kids playing soccer.
As for playing in the same grades, IMHO it does make a difference whether you are at the same school/class or not. The players have share the same experiences and tend to "click" with their own grade level. Just my observations...
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