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Post by gaprospects on Feb 7, 2019 0:04:31 GMT -5
This team continues to be ridiculous. Between the Piedmont Conference and the National League this fall, they went 11-0-1 and outscored their opponents 46-10.
Of course, their superstar forward leads the National League in goals scored again, averaging 2 per game (y'all know who I'm talking about). It seems he's since left the club to pursue pro opportunities, where I'm not sure. But he's not the only pro-caliber player on this team by any stretch. They have quite a few kids who are younger than 2001 as well, including some of their best players.
I know people on this forum tend to have some controversial opinions on KSA, but IMO what this club is doing is incredible. They've put 6-7 kids into the pros in just the last 2-3 years. They sent three 03's to Germany to trial with a couple 2nd and 3rd division clubs last month. And their younger teams are just as dominant at nearly every age group. For a club in the backyard of an MLS academy to be producing players like this is crazy to me, what is keeping AU/Concorde/UFA from capitalizing on the player pool that KSA draws from (particularly AU since their program is free)? What is KSA doing differently that is resulting in this kind of output of professional-quality players?
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KSA 01
Feb 7, 2019 6:58:47 GMT -5
Post by infoguy on Feb 7, 2019 6:58:47 GMT -5
Their parents aren't moving them to other clubs every 1-2 years, probably for a variety of reasons.
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Post by atv on Feb 7, 2019 7:32:37 GMT -5
I haven’t personally seen a KSA team play in a while but the only issue is the age cheating thing. They’ve been caught and suspected of age cheating a number of times. So there is frankly trust and reputation issues. Like it or not, it’s there. As for DV, he could be the top player produced in this state over the last several years. They have good sound technical players.
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KSA 01
Feb 7, 2019 10:17:41 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 7, 2019 10:17:41 GMT -5
no question that 01 team can ball and like you mentioned DV got all the recognition, but they had many other kids that can play.
The rumor I heard last spring was that he was offered a pretty crappy homegrown deal with Atlanta United, small money over 3-5 years.
Do we know where he is?
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 7, 2019 12:02:51 GMT -5
By 01 do you mean 98?
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Post by papacoach on Feb 7, 2019 16:32:33 GMT -5
KSA boys have proven you don't have to be a large club to produce players and team achievements here in Atlanta.
One of the smallest example we notice between clubs and KSA is, KSA players come to the field prepared, they bring indiviual and team effort and they excute as a team throughout their practics and games.
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Post by rudy on Feb 7, 2019 17:00:59 GMT -5
Wasn't there an issue at State Cup a few years back?
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KSA 01
Feb 7, 2019 17:31:03 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Feb 7, 2019 17:31:03 GMT -5
NOT saying They aren't perfect, no club is, however, what Club hasnt had a formal investigation done on them or had haters on the sidelines gossipping like little school girls?
With what team at KSA, year and what was the outcome?
State Cup 18' KSA 01 and 04s won
State Cup 17' KSA 02s won
State Cup 16' KSA 98 won
State Cup 15' U13 KSA boys won
U15 KSA boys won
U17 KSA boys won
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 8, 2019 1:35:42 GMT -5
Right, but post age-mandate change (ages becoming inflexible), if you play an ineligible above-age player...you should be barred from even coaching in the state for a decade at least. Needs to be serious penalties for cheating.
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KSA 01
Feb 8, 2019 7:07:14 GMT -5
Post by infoguy on Feb 8, 2019 7:07:14 GMT -5
I believe rules should be followed, but they're made to be broken. If the coaches and refs won't enforce, what are you to do? I remember, as a team manager, I was checking in the boys before a game. The opposing team had 3 additional, hand-written names on the roster (not generated, populated from the affinity player database). I raised the issue with the ref and he and the opposing coach went ballistic.
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KSA 01
Feb 8, 2019 10:49:06 GMT -5
Post by Strikermom on Feb 8, 2019 10:49:06 GMT -5
Word on Twitter is that DV may be with Orlando City .....ONly what I have heard from my 18 year old.
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KSA 01
Feb 8, 2019 11:30:42 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 8, 2019 11:30:42 GMT -5
This is where I will forever be confused -- gaprospects does Atlanta United technically own his rights for the MLS since he is from atlanta -- unless him and his parents moved elsewhere for non- soccer reasons? |
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KSA 01
Feb 8, 2019 12:18:44 GMT -5
Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 8, 2019 12:18:44 GMT -5
Did he ever play/sign with AU? If not and that's written into the MLS rules, that's garbage.
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KSA 01
Feb 8, 2019 19:38:48 GMT -5
Post by rifle on Feb 8, 2019 19:38:48 GMT -5
Did he ever play/sign with AU? If not and that's written into the MLS rules, that's garbage. Garbage indeed. Hopefully MLS players union forces some structural changes with their new CBA. |
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Post by gaprospects on Feb 8, 2019 20:42:00 GMT -5
This is where I will forever be confused -- gaprospects does Atlanta United technically own his rights for the MLS since he is from atlanta -- unless him and his parents moved elsewhere for non- soccer reasons? With MLS you always have to look at precedent to anticipate what's gonna happen with a given situation. Shaft Brewer, who played in the FC Dallas academy, left after a year to go to RB Leipzig and returned soon after signing with LAFC. In that case, Dallas never offered Brewer a deal, so they had no claim to his rights. In contrast, Paul Arriola left the Galaxy academy to sign with Tijuana in LigaMX, but before he left, the Galaxy threw a homegrown contract offer his way (basically a formality knowing he was already gone). But because they did that, when Arriola signed for DC United, DC had to trade with the Galaxy for Arriola's rights even though he never actually played for them in MLS. So, based off of this, I believe AU would have had to have him in the academy for at least one year AND offer him a homegrown contract to keep his MLS rights, assuming he signs a pro deal outside of MLS. If another MLS team tries to sign him before he goes somewhere else first, it changes the situation entirely. That's where the territory rights come into play, and again, it's unclear whether DV would be affected since he's only lived in Atlanta for a few years since coming here from Haiti. Also, any MLS club's B team WOULD count as "a pro team outside of MLS," meaning that he could sign with one of those teams and it would be fine. So, if he's really with Orlando, he could be signed by Orlando City B in USL League One, but if Orlando City wanted to add him directly to their MLS roster, he would have to spend a year in their academy program before being eligible to sign a contract. And at that point, he could theoretically be denied that opportunity if the league considers him to be "from" Atlanta. This has also happened (look up Christian Cappis and FC Dallas). Confused yet? It gets worse. There's ALSO precedent for players going pro with MLS-2 clubs and then signing for that team's MLS club, but NOT as a homegrown player. Orlando did this with Pierre Da Silva, who is from greater New York City. MLS ridiculousness know no bounds, particularly when it comes to this kind of "territory rights" and "player rights" stuff. Hopefully DV's career isn't negatively affected by it and he prospers wherever he lands. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 9, 2019 9:01:32 GMT -5
Didn't a KSA player get offered to play with AUFC Academy but then couldn't prove his real age so went back to KSA?
I guess when you have 25 years olds playing 01 you will succeed? 😂
I have heard awful stories from former KSA families that were there for a bit and then left. A lot of stuff goes on behind the scenes and not everyone is willing to put up with it.
I have also witnessed a KSA coach (Bruno's sister) go ballistic at a tournament (U9 game) & she wasn't even the coach. she was standing behind the goal arguing with the ref and interfering with the game. She even stopped the ball before it went out of bounds. After the ref asked her a few times to leave, she would leave but come back a few minutes later. Finally the ref had enough and he stopped the game went to his bag and called the police. There was an officer at tournament already and she was confronted and was still refusing to leave for a while claiming she didn't do anything wrong. After a long argument she finally got in her car and left the park
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KSA 01
Feb 9, 2019 21:29:33 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 9, 2019 21:29:33 GMT -5
This is where I will forever be confused -- gaprospects does Atlanta United technically own his rights for the MLS since he is from atlanta -- unless him and his parents moved elsewhere for non- soccer reasons? With MLS you always have to look at precedent to anticipate what's gonna happen with a given situation. Shaft Brewer, who played in the FC Dallas academy, left after a year to go to RB Leipzig and returned soon after signing with LAFC. In that case, Dallas never offered Brewer a deal, so they had no claim to his rights. In contrast, Paul Arriola left the Galaxy academy to sign with Tijuana in LigaMX, but before he left, the Galaxy threw a homegrown contract offer his way (basically a formality knowing he was already gone). But because they did that, when Arriola signed for DC United, DC had to trade with the Galaxy for Arriola's rights even though he never actually played for them in MLS. So, based off of this, I believe AU would have had to have him in the academy for at least one year AND offer him a homegrown contract to keep his MLS rights, assuming he signs a pro deal outside of MLS. If another MLS team tries to sign him before he goes somewhere else first, it changes the situation entirely. That's where the territory rights come into play, and again, it's unclear whether DV would be affected since he's only lived in Atlanta for a few years since coming here from Haiti. Also, any MLS club's B team WOULD count as "a pro team outside of MLS," meaning that he could sign with one of those teams and it would be fine. So, if he's really with Orlando, he could be signed by Orlando City B in USL League One, but if Orlando City wanted to add him directly to their MLS roster, he would have to spend a year in their academy program before being eligible to sign a contract. And at that point, he could theoretically be denied that opportunity if the league considers him to be "from" Atlanta. This has also happened (look up Christian Cappis and FC Dallas). Confused yet? It gets worse. There's ALSO precedent for players going pro with MLS-2 clubs and then signing for that team's MLS club, but NOT as a homegrown player. Orlando did this with Pierre Da Silva, who is from greater New York City. MLS ridiculousness know no bounds, particularly when it comes to this kind of "territory rights" and "player rights" stuff. Hopefully DV's career isn't negatively affected by it and he prospers wherever he lands. I think I need to read this in the am when these cold ones wear off! This is nuts. Unreal summary also! Thanks gaprospects |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Feb 9, 2019 23:19:47 GMT -5
Didn't a KSA player get offered to play with AUFC Academy but then couldn't prove his real age so went back to KSA? I guess when you have 25 years olds playing 01 you will succeed? 😂 I have heard awful stories from former KSA families that were there for a bit and then left. A lot of stuff goes on behind the scenes and not everyone is willing to put up with it. I have also witnessed a KSA coach (Bruno's sister) go ballistic at a tournament (U9 game) & she wasn't even the coach. she was standing behind the goal arguing with the ref and interfering with the game. She even stopped the ball before it went out of bounds. After the ref asked her a few times to leave, she would leave but come back a few minutes later. Finally the ref had enough and he stopped the game went to his bag and called the police. There was an officer at tournament already and she was confronted and was still refusing to leave for a while claiming she didn't do anything wrong. After a long argument she finally got in her car and left the park Oh the stories I could tell but I'll refrain |
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KSA 01
Feb 10, 2019 13:25:32 GMT -5
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Post by papacoach on Feb 10, 2019 13:25:32 GMT -5
Without specifics on when, where and what team over the years is hard to say if an ineligible player was used. If they did, what was the outcome of the investigation? I bet others clubs have beeen subject to ineligible players too.
In addition, what club hasn’t had issues at games with coaches, staff, parents and players being tossed for bad behavior with Refs? I have seen a few time where DA coaches were tossed for Ref interactions.. I can recall a YouTube video of players from two local clubs throwing punches with coaches in the background being part of the problem.
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KSA 01
Feb 11, 2019 11:17:58 GMT -5
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Post by cleansheet on Feb 11, 2019 11:17:58 GMT -5
Wasn't there an issue at State Cup a few years back? 2-3 years ago several of their teams won state cup. They went to regionals and had to forfeit all games. I guess GA let them break the rules. Pathetic. |
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KSA 01
Feb 12, 2019 14:02:08 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Feb 12, 2019 14:02:08 GMT -5
Based on GA soccer achieves of state cup results from 2-3 yrs ago:
State Cup 18'
KSA 01 and 04s won
State Cup 17'
KSA 02 Premier finalist
State Cup 16'
KSA 98 won
State Cup 15'
U13 KSA boys won (01)
U15 KSA boys won (99)
U17 KSA boys won
Based regional rules: C: PLAYER ELIGIBILTY, 4.A team that is found guilty for any reason of having an ineligible player on its roster or using an ineligible player forfeits each game involving the ineligible player.
If they were found gulity of having an ineligible player, they would had been forced to foreit their games post investigation... sounds like an Admin error on that teams' staff which was swifty corrected by the governing body for youth soccer. The internet is full of varies teams across sports using ineligble players so whats Pathetic is assumimg KSA as a whole does that on every team..
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KSA 01
Feb 12, 2019 14:20:43 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 12, 2019 14:20:43 GMT -5
Like it or not, KSA is thought of as juvey for soccer players.
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KSA 01
Feb 12, 2019 19:36:47 GMT -5
Post by OTPSoccer on Feb 12, 2019 19:36:47 GMT -5
Juvey or JUCO? There's a big difference between a juvenile detention center and junior college.
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KSA 01
Feb 12, 2019 19:56:58 GMT -5
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Feb 12, 2019 19:56:58 GMT -5
Hahaha! Come to think of it, actually not much difference between the two, but it wasn’t spellcheck gone wrong - I certainly meant JUVEY. As in, get run off by your coach? bad attitude? parents a nightmare? can’t get along with your teammates? no birth cert? just an overall problem player? Come to KSA! (BTW, that’s not my opinion - that”s simply the perception the club has).
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KSA 01
Feb 12, 2019 23:30:19 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 12, 2019 23:30:19 GMT -5
Like when they went to Disney "Bruno Style" without their parents and they just put multiple kids in condos without adults and they were horseplaying and broke a tv?
There's also the time when they traveled to NC or SC ...no parents... because thats Brunos style...and then be disappeared without feeding the kids? Thank goodness some parents showed up at the hotel and realized what was going on and got them food.
The stories are endless and the problems at that club start at the top.
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KSA 01
Feb 12, 2019 23:50:46 GMT -5
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Post by soccerfan30 on Feb 12, 2019 23:50:46 GMT -5
Same problems when he was a GSA, parents footed the bill for the "scholarship" players while their kids rode the bench, that was just the tip of the iceberg.
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KSA 01
Feb 12, 2019 23:53:32 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 12, 2019 23:53:32 GMT -5
Same problems when he was a GSA, parents footed the bill for the "scholarship" players while their kids rode the bench, that was just the tip of the iceberg. Yep, those parents eventually get fed up and leave mid season..until the next one falls for the same stories..and the circle continues |
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Post by soccerfan30 on Feb 13, 2019 0:14:24 GMT -5
Those same "economically" challenged kids always showed up with $200 Mercurials or Predators to practice.
The coach always expects structure and discipline from his players while he fails to display the same. Always late for practice, always on the phone during practice and dropping f bombs on the sideline.
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KSA 01
Feb 13, 2019 20:04:43 GMT -5
Post by papacoach on Feb 13, 2019 20:04:43 GMT -5
Like when they went to Disney "Bruno Style" without their parents and they just put multiple kids in condos without adults and they were horseplaying and broke a tv? There's also the time when they traveled to NC or SC ...no parents... because of that Bruno's style...and then be disappeared without feeding the kids? Thank goodness some parents showed up at the hotel and realized what was going on and got them food. The stories are endless and the problems at that club start at the top. Yep, those parents eventually get fed up and leave mid season..until the next one falls for the same stories..and the circle continues Those same "economically" challenged kids always showed up with $200 Mercurials or Predators to practice. The coach always expects structure and discipline from his players while he fails to display the same. Always late for practice, always on the phone during practice and dropping f-bombs on the sideline. Love the storytelling with missing specifics and plain old gossip; What's next, one time in band camp, Bruno had a flute? What club and/or adults would allow minors to be left alone or unfeed for any length of time? That's plain irresponsible and those parents and players stayed knowing these incidents occurred which you call Bruno style? Does B have an objectionable and particular approach to parents and/or adults, sure... I won't deny that  |
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 15, 2019 0:00:40 GMT -5
Like when they went to Disney "Bruno Style" without their parents and they just put multiple kids in condos without adults and they were horseplaying and broke a tv? There's also the time when they traveled to NC or SC ...no parents... because of that Bruno's style...and then be disappeared without feeding the kids? Thank goodness some parents showed up at the hotel and realized what was going on and got them food. The stories are endless and the problems at that club start at the top. Yep, those parents eventually get fed up and leave mid season..until the next one falls for the same stories..and the circle continues Those same "economically" challenged kids always showed up with $200 Mercurials or Predators to practice. The coach always expects structure and discipline from his players while he fails to display the same. Always late for practice, always on the phone during practice and dropping f-bombs on the sideline. Love the storytelling with missing specifics and plain old gossip; What's next, one time in band camp, Bruno had a flute? What club and/or adults would allow minors to be left alone or unfeed for any length of time? That's plain irresponsible and those parents and players stayed knowing these incidents occurred which you call Bruno style? Does B have an objectionable and particular approach to parents and/or adults, sure... I won't deny that A few of those have left, but keep drinking the Kool Aid...and don't say you weren't warned. I personally know the kid who broke the TV, he is no longer at KSA, hes at AUFC now. He was also in that team that was unfed, I knew 3 families from that team...all gone. |
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