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Post by atlfutboldad on May 14, 2019 12:57:03 GMT -5
If you look at the roster, there are 6-7 girls who did indeed play ECNL last year for either Tophat or Concorde, who actually chose to play SCCL over ECNL this year. This basically confirms what I said in another thread about SCCL having a lot to do with NTH losing ECNL.
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Post by interestedspectator on May 14, 2019 12:58:19 GMT -5
@soccermaxx72 that is not accurate.
The ecnl U15 team needed players from the SCCL team throughout the season, for them to play on the ECNL team they had to be rostered. Most of them only played once with the team. Also the other 2 players I believe were added as they are going to nationals with the SCCL team and need to be on their roster so if they do play it is in preparation for nationals..
The 04 eecnl team also are not sure if they may need to borrow players for nationals and to ensure they could use them they had to put them on the ecnl roster 2 weeks ago
Maybe check facts before throwing out accusations.
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Post by soccerallthetime on May 14, 2019 13:04:54 GMT -5
Interestedspectator is 100% right!
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Post by sportsdad on May 14, 2019 13:32:55 GMT -5
So looks like at the very least Tophat 05 ECNL will be represented at both State Cup and the SCCL Cup. They have so far placed 6 of their ECNL girls onto the “SCCL” tophat team and another 5 ECNL girls onto the Tophat White Mills team in state cup. Just slimey, why not just enter their entire ECNL in the SCCL Cup. Not to mention how do those players and parents on the SCCL team and the tophat white team feel about all these girls coming to take their playing time? I am legitimately curious. How can you see this?
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 14, 2019 13:41:03 GMT -5
@soccermaxx72 that is not accurate. The ecnl U15 team needed players from the SCCL team throughout the season, for them to play on the ECNL team they had to be rostered. Most of them only played once with the team. Also the other 2 players I believe were added as they are going to nationals with the SCCL team and need to be on their roster so if they do play it is in preparation for nationals.. The 04 eecnl team also are not sure if they may need to borrow players for nationals and to ensure they could use them they had to put them on the ecnl roster 2 weeks ago Maybe check facts before throwing out accusations. 7 names are listed on U15 ecnl official website and for the SCCL Cup. Just stating the facts
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Post by interestedspectator on May 14, 2019 13:46:10 GMT -5
did some further research and the Tophat u15 SCCL has 7 tophat Ecnl players that will be joining them for the SCCL Cup
Inaccurate information. Not stating a fact because it is not correct. Like I said might want to check your facts before making comments which are not accurate. They can't "join" a team if they are already on it!!!
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Post by TheMadOx on May 14, 2019 13:54:24 GMT -5
It was my understanding that ECNL and SCCL players could not float between teams. Is this not correct?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 14, 2019 14:09:25 GMT -5
The team below is the White team referenced in this chain so not an option. The players added played with many of the girls last year so I wouldn't agree SCCL is pulling down players from "much stronger team." A lot of parity at Tophat. No question there is a lot of parity at Tophat. However you just said the team below by 2 "is not an option." Ok. Why? That goes against your parity argument. There are three Athena B teams (one of which is going to finish 2nd or 3rd and will likely end up Athena A next season) that Tophat has that have players that could play. I am not sure who said they (the ECNL) team was "much stronger," I won't necessarily concur with that statement. I will say that it is still wrong. How many girls do you have available without the guest players? 12? 13? You are playing an Athena A team and 2 bottom half of the SCCL teams...why would Athena B team players be "not an option?" They are subs. Give them 10 minutes a half to get the experience. They deserve it more than your ECNL players do. One thought though...is this to try to sell the ECNL players on the benefits of SCCL to get some to stay?? Maybe...
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Post by keepcalmandballon on May 14, 2019 14:53:19 GMT -5
As someone else said, the team had to pull out of TN tournament. With injuries, 9 field players so no they would not be subs getting 10 min. I'm not here to ponder the whys - just give the facts.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 15, 2019 7:21:23 GMT -5
Oh look, now a few age groups from Atlanta Fire have added some of their ECNL to state cup. Maybe they can rename the state cup the Georgia Ecnl state cup showcase
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Post by keepcalmandballon on May 15, 2019 7:31:48 GMT -5
SoccerMaxx it's clear you have an issue with Tophat. I've seen your posts where you constantly trash the 05 RPL team from last year in particular and I've ignored but enough is enough. Why so much worry if those girls are as bad as you've painted in many posts. Most of the girls joining are from that team. It's sad to see you go after 12/13/14 year olds without really knowing the facts. The time you took to compare rosters is odd too. Move on. During the season, we've seen plenty of ECNL shirts. The best 'revenge' is to go and compete and play good soccer.
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Post by soccerdad76 on May 15, 2019 7:59:11 GMT -5
Out of morbid curiosity, I looked at the first player that was in both the ECNL roster and the sinc SCCL listing, initials RG. Searched the last name on all of the box scores for ECNL (since they exist), and found her name on 2 of them. In this sample of 1 player, that supports the notion that she played on ECNL for 2 games over 1 weekend to fill-in / get experience in addition to what is likely her normal SCCL team.
You are free to cross reference every player listed for the SCCL tournament to see how many games they have played at ECNL. Simply being listed as rostered on ECNL is a gross overstatement.
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 15, 2019 8:35:27 GMT -5
Here's a thought: There's always plenty of talk on this forum about all the leagues being watered down and there's no way to compare to see who's truly on top of the pyramid. Consider this an opportunity to have those teams and different leagues play and sort it on the field.
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Post by pluto on May 15, 2019 8:45:30 GMT -5
while I oppose ecnl taking roster spots from lower teams , Soccermaxx seems to spend a little too much time cross referencing rosters for kids.
Interesting
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Post by keepcalmandballon on May 15, 2019 8:45:48 GMT -5
Amen!
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Post by interestedspectator on May 15, 2019 9:47:30 GMT -5
while I oppose ecnl taking roster spots from lower teams , Soccermaxx seems to spend a little too much time cross referencing rosters for kids. Interesting Especially when Soccermaxx is not factually correct
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Post by ultimatedad on May 16, 2019 18:01:11 GMT -5
I am sure ECNL girls will be used sparingly as subs just to give the real team girls a rest.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 16, 2019 18:45:05 GMT -5
@soccermaxx72 where are you seeing these state cup rosters? Sports affinity site? Im cuious who all is on rosters for AFU. I know the 06s aren't pulling anyone who wasnt on the elite team in the fall.
Not trying calling you out or anything, yours is a CF ECNL, correct?
I don't ECNL or SCCL rules have any problems with dual-rostering.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 17, 2019 9:15:07 GMT -5
@soccermaxx72 where are you seeing these state cup rosters? Sports affinity site? Im cuious who all is on rosters for AFU. I know the 06s aren't pulling anyone who wasnt on the elite team in the fall. Not trying calling you out or anything, yours is a CF ECNL, correct? I don't ECNL or SCCL rules have any problems with dual-rostering. You are correct the 06 AFU is not using any ECNL, and I’m fine with AFU 07 using 2 players, although still disagree with it considering the 05 team has 15 players without the ecnl additions. Since you want particulars the 2 ecnl aplaying on the 07 team are KB and MW and don’t tell me those are actually NL players as for example MW came from ufa Forsyth the year before and has played afu ecnl the entire season. My biggest beef is with tophat flooding the tophat white mills 05 team and the SCCL team. Plus I can be annoyed with the situation even if my kid is not directly affected as I know kids on teams that will be impacted .
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Post by soccerfan07 on May 17, 2019 9:25:45 GMT -5
Sounds like all clubs that can, have added ECNL players. Not saying it’s right, but there may be circumstances that make it permissible such as injuries. GSA 03 added 4 ECNL players for no other reason than to increase their chances for winning. Rules allow this, so there’s not really any point in complaining about it. None of this matters as long as everyone keeps doling our their money to the clubs.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2019 10:23:46 GMT -5
No worries, I assume by 07 you meant 05s. I'm not here to defend them, was just curious.
The AFU 06's have 4 girls dual-rostered, but only 1 practices with the ECNL team (now, not in the fall/winter).
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Post by petrcechitout on May 17, 2019 19:51:09 GMT -5
So looks like at the very least Tophat 05 ECNL will be represented at both State Cup and the SCCL Cup. They have so far placed 6 of their ECNL girls onto the “SCCL” tophat team and another 5 ECNL girls onto the Tophat White Mills team in state cup. Just slimey, why not just enter their entire ECNL in the SCCL Cup. Not to mention how do those players and parents on the SCCL team and the tophat white team feel about all these girls coming to take their playing time? Oh fun... That's our bracket (05) and I think we'll end up playing that Mills team. Mental note, 9 on defense. (Eye roll) Who are the 5 on Rivah's Team?
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Post by petrcechitout on May 17, 2019 20:02:22 GMT -5
The SCCL team is decimated with injuries, they pulled out of going to Nashville last weekend. The Tophat white team well that coach is obviously all out for himself and must win at all costs, it is sad, I wonder how many of his players ever went and played in the SCCL? Were they asked to go up to the SCCL team and play? If yes why did they not go? Then the white coach would have taken players from the lower teams. Rivah will do anything to win in his first season at TopHat. He will look bad if they don't win and the parents will not be happy either.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 17, 2019 20:35:21 GMT -5
The SCCL team is decimated with injuries, they pulled out of going to Nashville last weekend. The Tophat white team well that coach is obviously all out for himself and must win at all costs, it is sad, I wonder how many of his players ever went and played in the SCCL? Were they asked to go up to the SCCL team and play? If yes why did they not go? Then the white coach would have taken players from the lower teams. Rivah will do anything to win in his first season at TopHat. He will look bad if they don't win and the parents will not be happy either. Guys first off let's not talk about stuff you don't know anything about. You are thrashing a guy for s&$t you don't know. 1) Mills didn't give up players to SCCL because they also went to TN and the SCCL team was in there bracket. So why would you give up your best players to help a team your going to play against? 2) From what I have been told he doesn't have 5 ECNL players playing for him. He will have 2 the other one we're on his team that played up for the ECNL team and they had to be rostered on the ECNL to play. So guys before you accuse someone of cheating please get all your facts correct.
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Post by ultimatedad on May 17, 2019 20:43:16 GMT -5
And thier you have it. Thier is no way tophat will play there top players on lower teams to improve there reputation. There club is way to reputable to have there ECNL girls play for there State Cup teams.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 17, 2019 21:00:53 GMT -5
And thier you have it. Thier is no way tophat will play there top players on lower teams to improve there reputation. There club is way to reputable to have there ECNL girls play for there State Cup teams. Correct because Tophat is the only team that has ECNL players playing on there team. Tophat is the only team bringing people down the other big 4 are not, and the smaller teams do everything perfect and they would never cheat because they can beat the Big 5 with the NL teams Also according to your past post ECNL is weak compared to the NL so maybe those teams are doing that to give the NL teams a game. The only way they will be able to win. Maybe Tophat and UFA should bring their DA teams to have a chance
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Post by ultimatedad on May 17, 2019 21:17:24 GMT -5
Thier is no way you are wrong about this. There teams are so good that thier is no way they need to pull down players from there top teams. There way to good to do this There their now.
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on May 17, 2019 21:30:13 GMT -5
Thier is no way you are wrong about this. There teams are so good that thier is no way they need to pull down players from there top teams. There way to good to do this There their now. So there you go a NL should sweep all age groups. That why the SCCL has their own tournament so they wouldn't get their ass whoop up
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Post by ultimatedad on May 17, 2019 21:35:25 GMT -5
So 2 is not cheating but 5 is? What are you trying to say? Is 2 less cheating than 5 or is cheating cheating or what? Please clarify your statements.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2019 21:38:34 GMT -5
I have NO problem if clubs/ teams do this to bring the roster up to 17-18...so long as the primary players aren't bumped off the roster to pad the team with ringers. Every club (including CF) does it.
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