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Post by greenmonkey on May 23, 2019 9:09:25 GMT -5
There has been lots of positive feedback, suggestions for improvement and a few concerns throughout the year about SCCL.
If you had a chance to give specific feedback about the league to the league what would you say? And who would that feedback actually go to? I assume it’s really all the Club Executive Directors at all the SCCL Clubs?
It appears that the SCCL league itself was very well run and well received. Most of the suggestions seems to be about the end of season tournaments, the addition of the new premier bracket and how individual clubs handled team assignments. Are there any other areas of the league you want addresses if you had the chance?
FINAL SCCL TOURNAMENTS, US CLUB REGIONALS & NATIONALS:
Forum Suggestions:
The older age groups should have a fall final championship
The spring championship series needs increased communication about criteria for advancement to final four or showcase
SCCL-PREMIER
Forum Suggestions:
League Relegation and Promotion
Club decisions on which team plays in which league.
SCCL
Forum Suggestions:
Mostly compliments on how League was run from people who were competing in the league.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 23, 2019 14:12:59 GMT -5
Suggestion:
For non-High School age teams, there shouldn't be an automatic advancement to the National Cup in the Fall. My recommendation would be the full Fall and Spring Season regular season winner goes to National Cup, SCCL Cup winner goes to Regional Cup.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 23, 2019 15:15:26 GMT -5
There has been lots of positive feedback, suggestions for improvement and a few concerns throughout the year about SCCL. If you had a chance to give specific feedback about the league to the league what would you say? And who would that feedback actually go to? I assume it’s really all the Club Executive Directors at all the SCCL Clubs? It appears that the SCCL league itself was very well run and well received. Most of the suggestions seems to be about the end of season tournaments, the addition of the new premier bracket and how individual clubs handled team assignments. Are there any other areas of the league you want addresses if you had the chance? FINAL SCCL TOURNAMENTS, US CLUB REGIONALS & NATIONALS: Forum Suggestions: The older age groups should have a fall final championship The spring championship series needs increased communication about criteria for advancement to final four or showcase SCCL-PREMIER Forum Suggestions: League Relegation and Promotion Club decisions on which team plays in which league. SCCL Forum Suggestions: Mostly compliments on how League was run from people who were competing in the league. I think my only concern and comments come from a personal level with my kid's team that may or may not be in SCCL or SCCL-p. I agree with previous forum suggestions, if there is no true path for promotion and relegation built in then I wouldn't want my kid's team to play in it. The Classic structure would be better suited since it has promotion and relegation already arranged. Let me give an example, I would assume for the most part SCCL-p will be equivalent to mid-range Classic I and top half Classic II caliber teams. I think SCCL is probably mostly upper half Classic I teams to possible NPL or NL caliber teams. If a team that would be playing Classic I next season but instead gets put in SCCL-p and ends up winning SCCL-p but then is told there is no promotion/relegation, then that does not help the kids on that team, and they should have just stayed in Classic I and tried to win that. With everything still up in the air about promotion and relegation until they decide what they are doing this time next year, I'm a bit concerned as should all teams playing in SCCL-p what the intent of the league and motives or the league really are. Will the leaders of SCCL agree that multiple teams from the same Club can be in 1st division SCCL if they win SCCL-p? I have my doubts they will let that happen. If the best teams end up being out of 2-3 clubs, will they allow it to be that way in the SCCL top division? I can't see the other clubs that are in it allowing all their teams to be relegated to SCCL-p if they are at the bottom of the standings and allowing a few of the clubs multiple teams in that top division. I hope for the sake of teams in SCCL-p that this is not the case and they expand even further to make it just like Athena/Classic by adding a 3rd or 4th tier next season as well with promotion and relegation plans, but until I see those plans in writing I have my doubts. |
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 17, 2019 11:26:29 GMT -5
Has anyone heard anything new about pro/rel ? The official SCCL website not helpful at all for info...
Here's a suggestion: better communication using the official website and other means.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 17, 2019 12:01:46 GMT -5
One thing they COULD do is allocate all clubs to one team in the premier division on each side.
West:
VHSC
BUSA
NTH
CF
GSA
UFA
AFU
SSA
East:
CESA
SCUFC
CFC
BULLS
USA MP
GPS Charleston
Augusta
Other clubs?
Every club will ALWAYS have one team in the Premier division. Relegate bottom 2 clubs in each division from SCCL-1 and promote clubs from each division to SCCL-1. But you can only have at most one team in SCCL-1. Clubs with teams in SCCL-1 would get to add another team to SCCL-P.
Doubtful any club with teams in both currently would buy in though (suddenly over half the clubs in SCCL only have one team per age group in SCCL). The other side of it is they need more consistent participation from the east clubs.
Another option would be to split SCCL-1 into 2 divisions like SCCL-P (same as above). Then form a new champions bracket above that. Every club would have a team in SCCL-1 and SCCL-P and then the top 4 from each SCCL-1 division get a club spot in SCCL-C (champions). No pro/rel for -1 and -P, that's internal to the clubs.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 17, 2019 16:11:24 GMT -5
I posted the following 2 posts in the SCCL Expansion thread a few weeks back. From what I have heard at our club, there is more talk of expansion than there is of Pro/Rel. Note: my mention of IAFC, Roswell, Ambush & Impact were only random selections of local clubs. AFC, MOBA, etc. would also be options in the scenario I mention.
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I think no matter what SCCL will always have 1 team per club in each division. So, if there is some sort of Pro/Rel, you will not see 2+ teams from a single club in the same division.
I am curious to see if AFU is granted access to the top division or if their second team will always be SCCL-P.
IMO the West division of SCCL-P needs another team so it has the same number as the top division of SCCL. This way they play the same number of games each season. Of course if they actually play a crossover event that can solve the issue.
For SCCL-1 I would like to see another South Carolina team added so the trip there is similar to what happens when we travel to Birmingham. It could even be a club closer to Charlotte or even a little farther south towards Columbia.
Lastly, I have no issue with them adding some of the smaller clubs. Maybe even add them as a separate division of SCCL-1 similar to how they have East & west in Premier. Then schedule crossover events so the 2 divisions can play one another.
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So, the more I think about potential expansion of SCCL, here is what I would like to see them do with the top Division:
SCCL-1 East:
GSA
NTH
UFA
CESA
Roswell
IAFC
Another Carolina Club somewhat close to CESA
SCCL-1 West:
BUSA
VHSC
SSA
CFC
AFU
Impact
Ambush
Add a crossover weekend of 2 games per team and you maintain the 14 game schedule per season. The Roswell, Ambush, Impact, IAFC & Carolina club ideas are just off the top of my head.
Also, for clubs with teams going into SCCL-1 & SCCL-P, I wish the league would require them to play an official game, or even best of 3, with the winner getting the higher league. Don't just automatically allow the club to award it based on location, make the team prove they deserve the higher league.
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 17, 2019 20:17:57 GMT -5
Has anyone heard anything new about pro/rel ? The official SCCL website not helpful at all for info... Here's a suggestion: better communication using the official website and other means. No promotion or relegation |
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Post by guest on Nov 17, 2019 20:42:13 GMT -5
Has anyone heard anything new about pro/rel ? The official SCCL website not helpful at all for info... Here's a suggestion: better communication using the official website and other means. Also missing from the SCCL website: SCCL does NOT use a rugby ball. SCCL does NOT specify white paint. SCCL does NOT require kangaroo leather boots. Etc. Why would they list pro/rel on the website? There is no pro/rel. Never was. It was made very clear from the beginning. Not possible in a club centric league. There might be in the future! But if so, I’m sure everyone will hear about it. |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Nov 17, 2019 21:27:34 GMT -5
Has anyone heard anything new about pro/rel ? The official SCCL website not helpful at all for info... Here's a suggestion: better communication using the official website and other means. No promotion or relegation And that’s the problem. Total money grab leagues since limited exposure and no chance for promotion/relegation. Champions league parent’s money is just helping to fund the important teams and coaches in ECNL and DA |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 17, 2019 21:28:59 GMT -5
No promotion or relegation And that’s the problem. Total money grab leagues since limited exposure and no chance for promotion/relegation. Champions league parent’s money is just helping to fund the important teams and coaches in ECNL and DA Then don't play SCCL, plenty of other leagues. The people that play in it enjoy it |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 18, 2019 7:32:58 GMT -5
And that’s the problem. Total money grab leagues since limited exposure and no chance for promotion/relegation. Champions league parent’s money is just helping to fund the important teams and coaches in ECNL and DA Then don't play SCCL, plenty of other leagues. The people that play in it enjoy it While I agree somewhat, I still think the communication is horrible for the league and not as transparent. In the Classic system the team managers would communicate to each other a week out from the game to coordinate jersey colors, making sure game is still on and not rained out etc.... In SCCL the only communication at least in our club is the SCCL director for one club tells the other SCCL director of the other club if games are cancelled, or moved, or whatever. Then the SCCL director only give that info to the coaches not the coaches and team managers. The SCCL director also doesn't verify that all the coaches actually read or saw the info. Some times texts and emails don't go through, and on weekends where a sub coach may be coaching the team or team manager may not get the info of cancellation or moving of fields/times etc causing travel for no reason etc... which has happened in my kid's club already this year. Even when the team manager communicates with that director, they pass the blame off elsewhere and refuse to address the issue or fix it with a simple fix of adding team managers to the distribution list for emails like that. Its like some military chain of command or some crap which is just stupid for game logistics stuff. I know that is a problem probably with my specific club, but it seems like directors think Team Managers are peons that don't deserve the same info (as far as game logistics/times/fields/weather etc...) as the coaches when a lot of times the team managers are the ones more on top of things like that then coaches are. At least in the Classic system the club directors didn't run it, and thus there was a layer of transparency and I hate to say it more communication or at least more info available for the team manager to utilize. |
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Post by guest on Nov 18, 2019 10:05:52 GMT -5
No promotion or relegation And that’s the problem. Total money grab leagues since limited exposure and no chance for promotion/relegation. Champions league parent’s money is just helping to fund the important teams and coaches in ECNL and DA Forget for the moment all the reasons SCCL was created (less travel, more local control, better run). Forget for the moment that ECNL, DA, NPL, USL, MLS, etc also do not have pro/rel and must therefore be ‘total money grab leagues’. There are two examples of pro/rel that negatively impacted me and my player. 1) in the U13 year of Athena the ECNL clubs would do really well. Then those players moved to the ECNL league the following year. But the clubs kept their teams spots and gave them to the second team. Now in R3PL, those teams would get waxed. What about the teams that finished 5th+ in Athena A behind those ECNL teams and maintained the same players year over year? No promotion for you! You have to wait until all those ECNL clubs’ 2nd teams bombed out. Oh and maybe they play down a few ECNL players to finish just high enough to not get relegated. 2) In R3PL, if you didn’t finish in the top 2 (and were thusly promoted), you were relegated back to your state. Then the state would re-choose every summer who got back in. This happened way after tryouts. How many parents heard at tryouts the line ‘Well we were 4th in R3PL last year and we expect to be back this year’. Who knows? Seemed the announcement came later and later every year. R3PL started earlier than Athena so you had to start practicing earlier. How about finding out in late July that your team made R3PL and you are competing in a August event down in FL in a few weeks. Honorable mention) this did not impact me but I saw it happen so I will mention it. Every year they used to have a few brackets with an East and West component. Like Athena B East and West. How many would get promoted from which B bracket depended on the bottom A teams’ location. What if the bottom 2 in A were both from out west and you won B East? No promotion for you! Ok so there is my thesis on why NOT having pro/rel does not make SCCL a ‘total money grab league’. (Forgive the double negative). Also remember there is always PLAYER pro/rel from team to team (do well in SCCL one year and find yourself on your club’s ECNL team the next year. Happened to us. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 18, 2019 10:19:10 GMT -5
I agree with guest regarding pro/rel for kids. I will also add that there is SO much player movement that it makes it REALLY hard to decide what teams so be promoted or not promoted or be relegated or not relegated based on how many players stayed/left.
Someone (I think atlsoccerdad) mentioned using champions league like format instead of pro/rel. This makes a little more sense to me. NL actually does this for the conferences, but I think it makes more sense than even having the Piedmont Conference. Just have the NL as a champions league and have dedicated weekends when they travel out of state for showcases but don't do the other interstate competition for regular season. Make it like the European adult leagues. This would make less travel, but would still have those competitive games.
Pro/rel is theoretically a good idea at the U13 and U14 levels when the team stays intact from fall to spring. I just don't like it for the older kids when the team changes so much.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 18, 2019 10:39:30 GMT -5
I'm very much in favor of a UEFA Champions League-like format (extra games that lead to a champion rather than its own league). It can even be team-based but only involve one weekend in GA and one weekend in SC. Maybe culminating in a top-4 tournament for the "SCCL Cup".
But from U13-up, IMO each level of SCCL should have the same clubs at SCCL-1, SCCL-2, SCCL-3 split into East and West divisions (8 clubs per division). Or at the very least between 2 and 3. That way the clubs can handle player-pro/rel internally between the divisions. Otherwise you have clubs on the outside looking in, leading to discontent...leading to the creation of yet another league.
U12 should just be an open league similar to what GA Soccer is trying to do.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 18, 2019 13:00:16 GMT -5
One big issue I see with pro/rel within a club is that not all clubs pool their players together to make their teams. Some give a location a league placement. If this is the case, you aren't going to get better players from say an SCCL-P team promoted to the SCCL-1 team, because it would involve moving to play at a different location.
From what I can tell, the only people talking Pro/Rel are the parents. The clubs haven't really hinted at it so far. To this point the only talk about expansion seems to be regarding SCCL-3 and so on.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Nov 18, 2019 13:10:24 GMT -5
One big issue I see with pro/rel within a club is that not all clubs pool their players together to make their teams. Some give a location a league placement. If this is the case, you aren't going to get better players from say an SCCL-P team promoted to the SCCL-1 team, because it would involve moving to play at a different location. From what I can tell, the only people talking Pro/Rel are the parents. The clubs haven't really hinted at it so far. To this point the only talk about expansion seems to be regarding SCCL-3 and so on. In that sense, we all have pro/rel. If your kid desires a better team or league than the one they're playing on... come tryouts, make the better team or league. You've just been promoted! |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 18, 2019 13:39:38 GMT -5
One big issue I see with pro/rel within a club is that not all clubs pool their players together to make their teams. Some give a location a league placement. If this is the case, you aren't going to get better players from say an SCCL-P team promoted to the SCCL-1 team, because it would involve moving to play at a different location. From what I can tell, the only people talking Pro/Rel are the parents. The clubs haven't really hinted at it so far. To this point the only talk about expansion seems to be regarding SCCL-3 and so on. In that sense, we all have pro/rel. If your kid desires a better team or league than the one they're playing on... come tryouts, make the better team or league. You've just been promoted! Oh if it was so simple. Kids from branch location of mega clubs sometimes would have to drive 2-3 hours roundtrip 3-4x a week (not including the weekend games) to train with the higher team. For a DA or ECNL caliber player with aspirations for a college scholarship or going Pro yes it is a necessity. For kids that are good and better than average but not the "elite 1%" it makes no sense to do that kind of time wasting effort. So really it isn't pro/reg. It is pro/reg for the top 1% or so of players but not for the rest of the club or league. No one can blame these parents either for not doing that kind of travel for SCCL over SCCL-p etc..... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 18, 2019 15:03:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I would say there's little point in traveling more than an hour for a 3rd or 4th team. But if you want to play in a 2nd team league, you may have to travel to practice just like many of the 1st-teamers in DA and ECNL do. If a player is recognized as better than their peers, the higher level team should invite a player to tryout. Possibly even ask the player to drive 1-2 times a week to practice and then practice at the local branch 1-2 times a week. If you have good coaches and the club has a curriculum, this shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by OTPSoccer on Nov 18, 2019 20:07:54 GMT -5
While I appreciate the idea of pro/rel, my advice is that you should pro/rel your own child based on his/her capabilities. If you find your child on the bench, make a lateral move or relegate. If you find your child to be the top 1-3 players on a team, give serious consideration to promoting your child to a higher league.
"Will my child benefit from spending another year (a) in this league, (b) on this team, (c) with this coach?" If the answer to (a), (b),or (c) is no, then I guarantee that you have at least 3 better alternatives within a 10 mile radius.
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Post by footyfan on Nov 18, 2019 21:06:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I would say there's little point in traveling more than an hour for a 3rd or 4th team. But if you want to play in a 2nd team league, you may have to travel to practice just like many of the 1st-teamers in DA and ECNL do. If a player is recognized as better than their peers, the higher level team should invite a player to tryout. Possibly even ask the player to drive 1-2 times a week to practice and then practice at the local branch 1-2 times a week. If you have good coaches and the club has a curriculum, this shouldn't be a problem. I think the point was, if a team at a branch can get promoted, they still practice at their branch those 3-4x a week and get promoted to a new league, same location. If the teams are stationary and your child has to go to the main branch bc that's where a club decided that team should be located, you promote to a new location, new league. |
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 18, 2019 22:51:39 GMT -5
You all have provided some very valid points which do make sense given Atlanta's situation with so many large clubs and several levels within a club. This situation however does not translate everywhere.
Some smaller clubs only have enough talent for credibly entering just one team either in SCCL or SCCL-P.
Player relegation between teams is therefore not possible.
If this team is consistently beating the other SCCL-P teams (4th or 5th teams for some ATL clubs), shouldn't they be promoted to SCCL-1 for their development and in fairness to the other SCCL-P teams?
And the other way around, if a team is loosing all their games which points to a clear mismatch for SCCL-1 ; shouldn't there be a system of checks and balances to evaluate if they need to be relegated to SCCL-P until they can earn their way back into SCCL-1?
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Post by ultimatedad on Nov 19, 2019 4:12:18 GMT -5
And that’s the problem. Total money grab leagues since limited exposure and no chance for promotion/relegation. Champions league parent’s money is just helping to fund the important teams and coaches in ECNL and DA Then don't play SCCL, plenty of other leagues. The people that play in it enjoy it This is great advice. There are plenty of other choices. No one has to play in the SCCL. |
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Post by guest on Nov 19, 2019 6:22:53 GMT -5
Some smaller clubs only have enough talent for credibly entering just one team either in SCCL or SCCL-P. Player relegation between teams is therefore not possible. This is why only the Big 5 clubs (6 if you now include AFU) are currently eligible to participate in SCCL. Clubs must be able to field more or less competitive teams in both divisions. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 19, 2019 6:28:56 GMT -5
You all have provided some very valid points which do make sense given Atlanta's situation with so many large clubs and several levels within a club. This situation however does not translate everywhere. Some smaller clubs only have enough talent for credibly entering just one team either in SCCL or SCCL-P. Player relegation between teams is therefore not possible. If this team is consistently beating the other SCCL-P teams (4th or 5th teams for some ATL clubs), shouldn't they be promoted to SCCL-1 for their development and in fairness to the other SCCL-P teams? And the other way around, if a team is loosing all their games which points to a clear mismatch for SCCL-1 ; shouldn't there be a system of checks and balances to evaluate if they need to be relegated to SCCL-P until they can earn their way back into SCCL-1? Like who? SCCL is only big 5 and some out of state clubs, is that who you mean? AFU is the only Atlanta club that only has SCCL-P, and I don't believe they're destroying everyone across the board - but then again i haven't checked. I go back to my original advice, if you don't like it then don't play it. This is how it was set up and you know this going in. If you want Pro/Rel then go play Select |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 19, 2019 7:18:30 GMT -5
You all have provided some very valid points which do make sense given Atlanta's situation with so many large clubs and several levels within a club. This situation however does not translate everywhere. Some smaller clubs only have enough talent for credibly entering just one team either in SCCL or SCCL-P. Player relegation between teams is therefore not possible. If this team is consistently beating the other SCCL-P teams (4th or 5th teams for some ATL clubs), shouldn't they be promoted to SCCL-1 for their development and in fairness to the other SCCL-P teams? And the other way around, if a team is loosing all their games which points to a clear mismatch for SCCL-1 ; shouldn't there be a system of checks and balances to evaluate if they need to be relegated to SCCL-P until they can earn their way back into SCCL-1? Like who? SCCL is only big 5 and some out of state clubs, is that who you mean? AFU is the only Atlanta club that only has SCCL-P, and I don't believe they're destroying everyone across the board - but then again i haven't checked. I go back to my original advice, if you don't like it then don't play it. This is how it was set up and you know this going in. If you want Pro/Rel then go play Select I would agree with that it is definitely a choice, but when/if SCCL expands further (and by all accounts that is the direction it looks like it is going) there might not be much GA Soccer Select leagues to go to. What good is Classic I or Athena A if it is only a former shell of itself with what would have been mostly Classic II or worse teams playing in it due to lack of teams? That latter part is the plan of the Big 5 (now 6). They want to make Classic/Athena system so weak and bad that no one wants to play in it, thus their monopoly is complete. I'm not necessarily opposed to that if SCCL is run well, but communication right now at least in my club is worse than when my kid was playing in Classic. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 19, 2019 9:40:33 GMT -5
Theres like 9+ clubs in SCCL-P that are not in SCCL-1. I would say that not all of the clubs have an "premier" (below elite) level team capable of playing with the other clubs in a top bracket. Teams are also very disparate within the clubs in SCCL-1, I think only BUSA is pretty consistently bad on the girls side.
Regarding AFU in SCCL-P...on the girls side the club won 4 of the 6 brackets and a 2nd and 3rd place finish. On the boys side a couple 2nd, a couple 3rd place and a 4th place and last place (probably the 2nd best club average).
But I digress. Everyone is correct, no one has to play in SCCL. And actually it has provided the upper-midsize clubs with more access to USYS's regional league so that's a good thing. In some ways providing incentive for bubble players to leave the big 6 to play in a higher level travel league. At this point, with the overhaul (created by SCCL and other such leagues), which anecdotal evidence on here says has improved the logistics, NL is looking like a slightly better option than SCCL (below ECNL/DA but generally above SCCL) for above mid-tier (but not quite elite) players. But the inclusion of Sunshine conference next year may be enough to destroy this regional league again. IMO, USYS NL and ECNL need to realize no one wants to travel to south Florida to play regular season games.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Nov 19, 2019 11:00:03 GMT -5
But I digress. Everyone is correct, no one has to play in SCCL. And actually it has provided the upper-midsize clubs with more access to USYS's regional league so that's a good thing. In some ways providing incentive for bubble players to leave the big 6 to play in a higher level travel league. At this point, with the overhaul (created by SCCL and other such leagues), which anecdotal evidence on here says has improved the logistics, NL is looking like a slightly better option than SCCL (below ECNL/DA but generally above SCCL) for above mid-tier (but not quite elite) players. But the inclusion of Sunshine conference next year may be enough to destroy this regional league again. IMO, USYS NL and ECNL need to realize no one wants to travel to south Florida to play regular season games. Anyone know what's going to happen with the bottom tier teams in NL with that addition of the Florida teams? |
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 19, 2019 15:51:52 GMT -5
You all have provided some very valid points which do make sense given Atlanta's situation with so many large clubs and several levels within a club. This situation however does not translate everywhere. Some smaller clubs only have enough talent for credibly entering just one team either in SCCL or SCCL-P. Player relegation between teams is therefore not possible. If this team is consistently beating the other SCCL-P teams (4th or 5th teams for some ATL clubs), shouldn't they be promoted to SCCL-1 for their development and in fairness to the other SCCL-P teams? And the other way around, if a team is loosing all their games which points to a clear mismatch for SCCL-1 ; shouldn't there be a system of checks and balances to evaluate if they need to be relegated to SCCL-P until they can earn their way back into SCCL-1? Like who? SCCL is only big 5 and some out of state clubs, is that who you mean? AFU is the only Atlanta club that only has SCCL-P, and I don't believe they're destroying everyone across the board - but then again i haven't checked. I go back to my original advice, if you don't like it then don't play it. This is how it was set up and you know this going in. If you want Pro/Rel then go play Select There are 14 clubs in this situation which is the majority of the clubs (14>5). You wrote "This is how it was set up and you know this going in". You are incorrect b/c we didn't know. Where was that info communicated? Certainly not on the official website, which brings us back to my original point and now the circle is complete. 'Nuf said. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 19, 2019 16:00:34 GMT -5
Like who? SCCL is only big 5 and some out of state clubs, is that who you mean? AFU is the only Atlanta club that only has SCCL-P, and I don't believe they're destroying everyone across the board - but then again i haven't checked. I go back to my original advice, if you don't like it then don't play it. This is how it was set up and you know this going in. If you want Pro/Rel then go play Select There are 9 clubs in this situation which is the majority of the clubs (9>6). You wrote "This is how it was set up and you know this going in". You are incorrect b/c we didn't know. Where was that info communicated? Certainly not on the official website, which brings us back to my original point and now the circle is complete. 'Nuf said. I'll have to agree with threeoheight here. We didn't know how it was going to work because there was no official release from the league about it. On here and otherwise people even rumored that pro/rel was possibly coming. I got the same impression from SSA people as well. In reality it was all a bunch of either blanket lies or half-truths. The secrecy of how SCCL operates will end up biting it in the butt ultimately. It feels like all decisions about the league are made in a smoke filled room of all the SCCL directors of the clubs that are members. Then depending on the club, you might get lucky to get that info or you might not. I know currently I have a hard time getting any info as far as SSA goes, and yes I'm calling them out on that. They need to be more transparent and give more info on the league not just to other directors and coaches but to the team managers and parents as well. Again I think SCCL for the most part is run better than the Classic/Athena system but the communication needs to come from a central point in the league rather than every SCCL director from every club telling their customers all different things or not telling them anything at all. It also needs to be easier for individual teams to be able to re-schedule games and times for games. Right now it all goes through 2 more layers of bureaucracy that doesn't happen in GA soccer and the respective coaches and team managers for that particular game have almost no say so in the matter. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 19, 2019 16:29:02 GMT -5
I think we all know that pro/rel is a pipe dream. The best we could have hoped for is East-West stratification and the addition of other clubs. But regardless eventually someone gets left out.
I would guess (purely conjecture) that without access to any higher level (glass ceiling on SCCL-P) that some of the top players/teams/clubs may decide to abdicate their spot on the lower level in favor of something else (and they should). I'm sure the SC clubs might be saying "hey, we can do this on our own", and IMO they should. I have opinions on how the club we're at should handle it, but I certainly don't have any pull.
If there's nothing cohesive about SCCL and SCCL-P, they should have simply named SCCL-P East and West something else (related...SCRL for example). Its not a brand name like ECNL/NPL at this point and no one is buying in just for the brand. Everyone is just looking for a better system than their perception of USYS leagues and no one wants to tbe left behind.
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