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Post by threeoheight on Nov 19, 2019 17:02:54 GMT -5
Some smaller clubs only have enough talent for credibly entering just one team either in SCCL or SCCL-P. Player relegation between teams is therefore not possible. This is why only the Big 5 clubs (6 if you now include AFU) are currently eligible to participate in SCCL. Clubs must be able to field more or less competitive teams in both divisions. Where can one find and read more about these "rules"? I'd bet this is yet another example of people naturally filling the communication void left by the SCCL organisation. And here is a counter example that disproves the "rule" above: CESA (a SC club) has a SCCL team but no SCCL-P team. In U13B they (correctly) chose to have their bottom 2 teams in SCSCL U13B instead. The leagues are fine. All I'm asking is for better communication. Nuf said.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 19, 2019 19:22:55 GMT -5
Like who? SCCL is only big 5 and some out of state clubs, is that who you mean? AFU is the only Atlanta club that only has SCCL-P, and I don't believe they're destroying everyone across the board - but then again i haven't checked. I go back to my original advice, if you don't like it then don't play it. This is how it was set up and you know this going in. If you want Pro/Rel then go play Select You are incorrect b/c we didn't know. Where was that info communicated? Certainly not on the official website, which brings us back to my original point and now the circle is complete. 'Nuf said. I have to be honest here, but this truly sounds like a 'YOU' problem. Not to be flippant but if you were clueless as to how all things associated with SCCL would shake out, weren't being communicated to, couldn't get answers to your questions and abhorred the lack of communication or information filtering from the official website, AND still chose to participate, then I have a preverbal bridge to sell you. SCCL is not a mandate, nor is it mandatory. You did not have to put your child in that league. You need to demand more from your Coach, if not, then your Academy/Select Director and keep pushing till you have your questions and fears allayed. If memory serves me right, last year was the first year of SCCL. There were bound to be kinks. If I had a kid eligible and I couldn't find the answers, I might have chosen to sit out the year and instead go another route. For the record, DA, ECNL, NPL, etc... also, don't have complete rules and regulations on their websites. They have more, but then again they have been around from more than a minute. The void is filled by asking around with other parents/players coaches and forums like this...
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 20, 2019 6:08:17 GMT -5
You are incorrect b/c we didn't know. Where was that info communicated? Certainly not on the official website, which brings us back to my original point and now the circle is complete. 'Nuf said. I have to be honest here, but this truly sounds like a 'YOU' problem. Not to be flippant but if you were clueless as to how all things associated with SCCL would shake out, weren't being communicated to, couldn't get answers to your questions and abhorred the lack of communication or information filtering from the official website, AND still chose to participate, then I have a preverbal bridge to sell you. SCCL is not a mandate, nor is it mandatory. You did not have to put your child in that league. You need to demand more from your Coach, if not, then your Academy/Select Director and keep pushing till you have your questions and fears allayed. If memory serves me right, last year was the first year of SCCL. There were bound to be kinks. If I had a kid eligible and I couldn't find the answers, I might have chosen to sit out the year and instead go another route. For the record, DA, ECNL, NPL, etc... also, don't have complete rules and regulations on their websites. They have more, but then again they have been around from more than a minute. The void is filled by asking around with other parents/players coaches and forums like this... Wow. I believe this thread was started as an open letter to provide feedback to better these leagues. I did. So your argument is that's a "ME" problem instead and status quo is just fine... Go back and read the first post on this thread. And grow up, will you?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 20, 2019 7:35:27 GMT -5
I have to be honest here, but this truly sounds like a 'YOU' problem. Not to be flippant but if you were clueless as to how all things associated with SCCL would shake out, weren't being communicated to, couldn't get answers to your questions and abhorred the lack of communication or information filtering from the official website, AND still chose to participate, then I have a preverbal bridge to sell you. SCCL is not a mandate, nor is it mandatory. You did not have to put your child in that league. You need to demand more from your Coach, if not, then your Academy/Select Director and keep pushing till you have your questions and fears allayed. If memory serves me right, last year was the first year of SCCL. There were bound to be kinks. If I had a kid eligible and I couldn't find the answers, I might have chosen to sit out the year and instead go another route. For the record, DA, ECNL, NPL, etc... also, don't have complete rules and regulations on their websites. They have more, but then again they have been around from more than a minute. The void is filled by asking around with other parents/players coaches and forums like this... Wow. I believe this thread was started as an open letter to provide feedback to better these leagues. I did. So your argument is that's a "ME" problem instead and status quo is just fine... Go back and read the first post on this thread. And grow up, will you? I will grow up once YOU stop whining like a baby. YOU, aka the parent and contrary to what clubs may think, has full and complete control as to what YOU do with your child. If YOU can't find the pertinent information about a program, are not given answers to legitimate questions and YOU still feel it optimal to put your child into said program, then i'm sorry there pumpkin, that is definitely a YOU problem... nuf said
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Post by holding on Nov 20, 2019 8:40:49 GMT -5
ECNL has 30 plus pages of rules on their website. It's really not that difficult and doesn't take years to put standards in a word document and post it.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 20, 2019 9:19:46 GMT -5
ECNL has 30 plus pages of rules on their website. It's really not that difficult and doesn't take years to put standards in a word document and post it. You are 100% correct, but let's keep in mind the ECNL has 10+ years of existence to collate and refine those rules. I will be the first to admit that the SCCL has some growing to do. I'll also put it out there that my kids don't play SCCL so no dog in this fight. However, my issue is with folks who made a decision to play their kids in the SCCL but then blame others for the follies they experienced and want to blame it on not being informed. The 'oh I didn't know' excuse just doesn't cut the mustard for me. The Caveat Emptor doctrine applies...
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 20, 2019 9:37:34 GMT -5
No one seems to know what happens for the winners of SCCL-P. We know that SCCL winners get an automatic bid into the USCS National Cup, I'm guessing this was known prior to last fall. All I get is shrugged shoulders regarding SCCL-P.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Nov 20, 2019 10:16:37 GMT -5
No one seems to know what happens for the winners of SCCL-P. We know that SCCL winners get an automatic bid into the USCS National Cup, I'm guessing this was known prior to last fall. All I get is shrugged shoulders regarding SCCL-P. With just a quick look, it seems any US Club Soccer-carded teams can enter the Southeast Regional. So a SCCL-P team could enter that and earn an entry to the National Cup.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 20, 2019 10:45:35 GMT -5
ECNL has 30 plus pages of rules on their website. It's really not that difficult and doesn't take years to put standards in a word document and post it. You are 100% correct, but let's keep in mind the ECNL has 10+ years of existence to collate and refine those rules. I will be the first to admit that the SCCL has some growing to do. I'll also put it out there that my kids don't play SCCL so no dog in this fight. However, my issue is with folks who made a decision to play their kids in the SCCL but then blame others for the follies they experienced and want to blame it on not being informed. The 'oh I didn't know' excuse just doesn't cut the mustard for me. The Caveat Emptor doctrine applies... Spoken like a mother that lives directly in the metro area and has probably 3-5 different clubs within 10-15 miles drive of your home. Some of us did not have a choice in the matter. Our kids want to play soccer and at as high of a level as their ability allows. Some of us live 30-45 miles or more from those same clubs you live close to with traffic meaning a 1-1.5 hour drive everyday one-way to go to a different club. Given the coach nor the local branch had much choice on what team got SCCL-p and what team stayed in Classic and there being no other team in that age group at that branch location then no some of us didn't really have a choice in the matter if we wanted our kids to continue playing as high as they possibly can given it makes no sense to drive 2-3 hours round trip 3x a week to play somewhere else for a non DA/ECNL player. In hindsight I wish our club had decided that my kid's team should have stuck with Classic I, but they didn't. Given the circumstances there was not other good option, so our family made a decision to stick with the club and team that my kid's friends were on and had been together for many many years versus putting him in recreation which was our only viable other option. So it isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. Sometimes parents really don't have another reasonable good choice for their kid. That being said since my kid is stuck in the SCCL system, I'm going to try to fight to make it as good as it possibly can be and fix the problems with it. Probably a losing battle, but I'm gonna try.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 20, 2019 11:38:20 GMT -5
No one seems to know what happens for the winners of SCCL-P. We know that SCCL winners get an automatic bid into the USCS National Cup, I'm guessing this was known prior to last fall. All I get is shrugged shoulders regarding SCCL-P. With just a quick look, it seems any US Club Soccer-carded teams can enter the Southeast Regional. So a SCCL-P team could enter that and earn an entry to the National Cup. Correct, CAN enter (and will). So could the loser of the SCCL-P bracket. I agree, in hindsight, without any published information on what was available to the winners of SCCL-P, I'd have rather stayed in Athena A (our team definitely would have been a contender to win it this fall). When it became apparent we'd win our bracket in SCCL-P, some parents started asking me (like I'd know or something) if there was any chance for promotion for the spring, to which all I could say was "highly unlikely", or for 2020-2021 to which I'd say "we have to hope for the clubs to vote us in, but its not a given". Without any reward for the club largely dominating the girls side of the bracket (55-8-8 overall record), I think there's gonna be some restlessness going into tryouts in May. Without a higher-level spot for 2020-2021, I personally would opt for putting the 3rd team in SCCL-P next year and putting 2nd team back into GA Soccer (assuming they could get back into the top bracket...which is not a given). I'm hopeful that state cup allows for open-play in and that our parents are willing to do it.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 20, 2019 12:06:00 GMT -5
You are 100% correct, but let's keep in mind the ECNL has 10+ years of existence to collate and refine those rules. I will be the first to admit that the SCCL has some growing to do. I'll also put it out there that my kids don't play SCCL so no dog in this fight. However, my issue is with folks who made a decision to play their kids in the SCCL but then blame others for the follies they experienced and want to blame it on not being informed. The 'oh I didn't know' excuse just doesn't cut the mustard for me. The Caveat Emptor doctrine applies... Spoken like a mother that lives directly in the metro area and has probably 3-5 different clubs within 10-15 miles drive of your home. Some of us did not have a choice in the matter. Our kids want to play soccer and at as high of a level as their ability allows. Some of us live 30-45 miles or more from those same clubs you live close to with traffic meaning a 1-1.5 hour drive everyday one-way to go to a different club. Sometimes parents really don't have another reasonable good choice for their kid. That being said since my kid is stuck in the SCCL system, I'm going to try to fight to make it as good as it possibly can be and fix the problems with it. Probably a losing battle, but I'm gonna try. I've always maintained that my kids initially started out at UFA-Norcross, but ended up playing at UFA. In case you're not familiar, that is over an hour in good traffic, closer to 1.5+ hours on certain days or with bad weather, 3-4 days of the week. So don't ASSume anything without reading through my previous posts first. Was it ideal, nope. Was it cheaper, nope. Was it tiring and frustrating, absolutely. But, we made the choice to go there to play on higher level teams. Again that dirty word choice raises its head again. I understand you may not have a " reasonable good choice" but you're also not on here blaming others for the choice you made given the facts at the time.
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Post by holding on Nov 20, 2019 12:26:20 GMT -5
ECNL has 30 plus pages of rules on their website. It's really not that difficult and doesn't take years to put standards in a word document and post it. You are 100% correct, but let's keep in mind the ECNL has 10+ years of existence to collate and refine those rules. I will be the first to admit that the SCCL has some growing to do. I'll also put it out there that my kids don't play SCCL so no dog in this fight. However, my issue is with folks who made a decision to play their kids in the SCCL but then blame others for the follies they experienced and want to blame it on not being informed. The 'oh I didn't know' excuse just doesn't cut the mustard for me. The Caveat Emptor doctrine applies... So the argument is you need to be in business 10 years before you can be professional or honest? Makes sense.
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Post by atv on Nov 20, 2019 12:28:03 GMT -5
No one seems to know what happens for the winners of SCCL-P. We know that SCCL winners get an automatic bid into the USCS National Cup, I'm guessing this was known prior to last fall. All I get is shrugged shoulders regarding SCCL-P. This is first year I know of that has multi-tiered leagues without Pro/Rel. Totally new concept, I suspect SCCL will need to address. ECNL - single tier DA - 2 tiers boys/ 1 tier girls - no pro/ rel USL - single tier SCCL-2 tiers - no pro/ rel NPL - single tier US Youth Soccer - multiple tiers; pro/ rel
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 20, 2019 12:41:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why in some other post I mentioned it should have been named something else. Since there is no real relationship between the SCCL and SCCL-P (aside from coordination and the organizing body). That way likely there would have been the automatic bid to National Cup for the SCCL-P winners. None of the East clubs have a team in SCCL-1, arguments could certainly be made that they're on equal standing with SCCL-1.
We know how unhappy the UFA and CF parents were to hear about being excluded from the higher tier of boys U19 DA with no discussion of how a club could get into the higher tier (for the next year or whatever). Like you said, first year, same issue.
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 20, 2019 13:33:33 GMT -5
(Duplicate)
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 20, 2019 13:35:29 GMT -5
You are 100% correct, but let's keep in mind the ECNL has 10+ years of existence to collate and refine those rules. I will be the first to admit that the SCCL has some growing to do. I'll also put it out there that my kids don't play SCCL so no dog in this fight. However, my issue is with folks who made a decision to play their kids in the SCCL but then blame others for the follies they experienced and want to blame it on not being informed. The 'oh I didn't know' excuse just doesn't cut the mustard for me. The Caveat Emptor doctrine applies... Spoken like a mother that lives directly in the metro area and has probably 3-5 different clubs within 10-15 miles drive of your home. Some of us did not have a choice in the matter. Our kids want to play soccer and at as high of a level as their ability allows. Some of us live 30-45 miles or more from those same clubs you live close to with traffic meaning a 1-1.5 hour drive everyday one-way to go to a different club. Given the coach nor the local branch had much choice on what team got SCCL-p and what team stayed in Classic and there being no other team in that age group at that branch location then no some of us didn't really have a choice in the matter if we wanted our kids to continue playing as high as they possibly can given it makes no sense to drive 2-3 hours round trip 3x a week to play somewhere else for a non DA/ECNL player. In hindsight I wish our club had decided that my kid's team should have stuck with Classic I, but they didn't. Given the circumstances there was not other good option, so our family made a decision to stick with the club and team that my kid's friends were on and had been together for many many years versus putting him in recreation which was our only viable other option. So it isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. Sometimes parents really don't have another reasonable good choice for their kid. That being said since my kid is stuck in the SCCL system, I'm going to try to fight to make it as good as it possibly can be and fix the problems with it. Probably a losing battle, but I'm gonna try. Amen !
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 20, 2019 13:39:09 GMT -5
I sincerely appreciate the information sharing from the majority of you whilst at the same time being quite amused reading the nonsensical, blindspot ridden posts by a couple of Adult Children.
I think we can all (most? LOL) agree that lots of frustration can be prevented in the future by means of better communication.
With the addition of more clubs in the future, if communication gaps do not get addressed promptly, the frustration and 'whining' (LOL) will only grow exponentially.
And this would be a shame because both SCCL-1 and SCCL-2 are fine leagues offering most of the value proposition we as parent chose to believe when we enrolled our players. Nuf said.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 20, 2019 17:08:13 GMT -5
I sincerely appreciate the information sharing from the majority of you whilst at the same time being quite amused reading the nonsensical, blindspot ridden posts by a couple of Adult Children. I think we can all (most? LOL) agree that lots of frustration can be prevented in the future by means of better communication. With the addition of more clubs in the future, if communication gaps do not get addressed promptly, the frustration and 'whining' (LOL) will only grow exponentially. And this would be a shame because both SCCL-1 and SCCL-2 are fine leagues offering most of the value proposition we as parent chose to believe when we enrolled our players. Nuf said. About communication...I agree it could be better. Honestly I would say that across the board in all youth sports I would appreciate better communication. The club where my children play has some very good communication at times and some very poor communication at times. Sometimes I joke with some other TM'S that it seems that good coaches are not good at organizing and planning. All of us on the forum have our pet peeves and pet projects. There will be some disagreements many times. In general I feel we can obtain pretty good information here. I hope people continue to come and put in their two cents.
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Post by messindreams on Nov 20, 2019 19:32:12 GMT -5
IMHO SCCL is very well run.
- Trainers and medical staff at the games - No referee scheduling issues - Coaching seems to be better, granted there are great coaches in all leagues and at all levels - Pool play of players, clubs like Concorde and NTH rotated players between SCCL, SCCL-P and ECNL teams (boys side) - SCCL teams can also play in Georgia Soccer and vice-versa if schedules permit and parents are good with - Most importantly less travel and playing great local talent
Every league has problems so nothing wrong in expressing opinions and providing suggestion, hopefully the powers of SCCL will read, clarify the rules and address the communication challenges.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 21, 2019 7:42:02 GMT -5
IMHO SCCL is very well run. - Trainers and medical staff at the games - No referee scheduling issues - Coaching seems to be better, granted there are great coaches in all leagues and at all levels - Pool play of players, clubs like Concorde and NTH rotated players between SCCL, SCCL-P and ECNL teams (boys side) - SCCL teams can also play in Georgia Soccer and vice-versa if schedules permit and parents are good with - Most importantly less travel and playing great local talent Every league has problems so nothing wrong in expressing opinions and providing suggestion, hopefully the powers of SCCL will read, clarify the rules and address the communication challenges. -First Communication is #1 period. That is what it lacks. -Your 3rd Point isn't correct for 80% of the league though outside of supposedly Concorde and NTH. I think you would find that in a lot of age groups that isn't happening at those two clubs either. I'm not sure your point is a good thing either given the tendency for these two clubs to play ECNL players down to stay at the top of their respective brackets. -Your 4th point is unrealistic also for probably 99% of the teams in SCCL or SCCL-P. The schedule is 12 games spread till December in the fall. The ease of being able to change game times/dates in SCCL/SCCL-P is like trying to get a bill through congress compared to GA Soccer leagues with 2 to 3 more layers of red tape to do so. So it would be almost impossible to try to fit in another 8-10 games in a GA Soccer league. I think one of my bigger issues as well is that while scheduling say all GSA boys teams versus all SSA boys teams at the same fields on the same day may in theory may supposedly be better for clubs and coaches. I found this season that is not the case really at all. Since it is scheduled that way it is extremely hard for any individual team that has a conflict either coaching or not enough players to realistically move their game around to another day. The ease of doing this in GA soccer makes their methods superior in that regard.
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Post by hotspur1 on Nov 21, 2019 8:07:01 GMT -5
IMHO SCCL is very well run. - Trainers and medical staff at the games - No referee scheduling issues - Coaching seems to be better, granted there are great coaches in all leagues and at all levels - Pool play of players, clubs like Concorde and NTH rotated players between SCCL, SCCL-P and ECNL teams (boys side) - SCCL teams can also play in Georgia Soccer and vice-versa if schedules permit and parents are good with - Most importantly less travel and playing great local talent Every league has problems so nothing wrong in expressing opinions and providing suggestion, hopefully the powers of SCCL will read, clarify the rules and address the communication challenges. -First Communication is #1 period. That is what it lacks. -Your 3rd Point isn't correct for 80% of the league though outside of supposedly Concorde and NTH. I think you would find that in a lot of age groups that isn't happening at those two clubs either. I'm not sure your point is a good thing either given the tendency for these two clubs to play ECNL players down to stay at the top of their respective brackets. -Your 4th point is unrealistic also for probably 99% of the teams in SCCL or SCCL-P. The schedule is 12 games spread till December in the fall. The ease of being able to change game times/dates in SCCL/SCCL-P is like trying to get a bill through congress compared to GA Soccer leagues with 2 to 3 more layers of red tape to do so. So it would be almost impossible to try to fit in another 8-10 games in a GA Soccer league. I think one of my bigger issues as well is that while scheduling say all GSA boys teams versus all SSA boys teams at the same fields on the same day may in theory may supposedly be better for clubs and coaches. I found this season that is not the case really at all. Since it is scheduled that way it is extremely hard for any individual team that has a conflict either coaching or not enough players to realistically move their game around to another day. The ease of doing this in GA soccer makes their methods superior in that regard. Just curious, what communication were you lacking? Full disclosure, my daughter plays SCCL at SSA as well but out of mud creek location. Her coach, who she has had for three different seasons now, has always been very well organized. We have a great team mgr. We’ve always known our schedule, get reminders the night before on game times, locations, jerseys, when to show up, etc. I can’t think of a moment when I was looking for more info or communication. I understand the SCCL-P “round robin” weekend was somewhat of a cluster but I think there was outside factors affecting it. But other than that, what communication do you think you missed? Lots of folks question potential promotion/ relegation. That has never been mentioned by the SCCL, or by anyone at SSA that I know of. Seems like more of a hope than anything folks should have been expecting.
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Post by messindreams on Nov 21, 2019 9:14:40 GMT -5
IMHO SCCL is very well run. - Trainers and medical staff at the games - No referee scheduling issues - Coaching seems to be better, granted there are great coaches in all leagues and at all levels - Pool play of players, clubs like Concorde and NTH rotated players between SCCL, SCCL-P and ECNL teams (boys side) - SCCL teams can also play in Georgia Soccer and vice-versa if schedules permit and parents are good with - Most importantly less travel and playing great local talent Every league has problems so nothing wrong in expressing opinions and providing suggestion, hopefully the powers of SCCL will read, clarify the rules and address the communication challenges. -First Communication is #1 period. That is what it lacks. -Your 3rd Point isn't correct for 80% of the league though outside of supposedly Concorde and NTH. I think you would find that in a lot of age groups that isn't happening at those two clubs either. I'm not sure your point is a good thing either given the tendency for these two clubs to play ECNL players down to stay at the top of their respective brackets. -Your 4th point is unrealistic also for probably 99% of the teams in SCCL or SCCL-P. The schedule is 12 games spread till December in the fall. The ease of being able to change game times/dates in SCCL/SCCL-P is like trying to get a bill through congress compared to GA Soccer leagues with 2 to 3 more layers of red tape to do so. So it would be almost impossible to try to fit in another 8-10 games in a GA Soccer league. I think one of my bigger issues as well is that while scheduling say all GSA boys teams versus all SSA boys teams at the same fields on the same day may in theory may supposedly be better for clubs and coaches. I found this season that is not the case really at all. Since it is scheduled that way it is extremely hard for any individual team that has a conflict either coaching or not enough players to realistically move their game around to another day. The ease of doing this in GA soccer makes their methods superior in that regard. Slick, I hope you understood what I posted was my humble opinion. - I watched a lot of SCCL and SCCL-P games this fall and I must say coaching was great across the league. Yes, there will always be exceptions but IMHO what I saw was a concerted effort by clubs to put good players and coaches in SCCL. - Note that pool play allowed kids to play in different leagues, may not be as a whole team but my point is that it offers flexibility. Think through and you will understand and discuss with your coach and club. - I could careless about winning a league at lower age groups, I’d rather see kids develop and play higher competition even if that means some ECNL players are brought in to help with SCCL games. Also, we all know that no one league has monopoly on talent, some SCCL teams can easily beat some mid-bottom tiered ECNL teams. I also know some of the SCCL and SCCL-P players helping out ECNL and DA teams. - If your club is open to pool play then you don’t need to worry about changing schedules, it is just a matter of your club assigning players to certain games and rotating them. This could be an issue for teams that have been playing together for years, like everything there will be pros and cons. - Lastly, every league has communication issues but is that the league, Doc, Coach, TM or parents who don’t pay close attention to the communication problem? IMO, all of the above and perhaps more. Arguments are good, after all Pearls are made with friction so please present your opinions and tone it down a bit. Let us all be supportive of each other in this long soccer journey 👍
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Post by ultimatedad on Nov 21, 2019 9:24:49 GMT -5
It seems as if there is one team at every age group that is killing everyone. It also seems that there is at least one team at every age group that is getting killed. These teams have to play each other twice a season for conceivably 5 years in a row. In the future if there is no pro or rel, they should have it so these teams mix it up. Swap centerbacks or forwards. This would make the games more fun and less of a waste of time.
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Post by hotspur1 on Nov 21, 2019 9:34:46 GMT -5
It seems as if there is one team at every age group that is killing everyone. It also seems that there is at least one team at every age group that is getting killed. These teams have to play each other twice a season for conceivably 5 years in a row. In the future if there is no pro or rel, they should have it so these teams mix it up. Swap centerbacks or forwards. This would make the games more fun and less of a waste of time. I don’t necessarily disagree with your premise but remember, there are tons of movement within these teams - especially after age 14/15. In fact I think you pointed out in another topic, this “scrappy 05 Norcross team” is essentially a different team from last year with like 9 new players on it. So the teams that beat up on Norcross last year are getting much different results this year. Our team turned over 6 players year over year. Next year will be more as we have seven girls going off to college. The squad next year will be a completely different team. I think over the next two years you will also see more teams and divisions added to the SCCL. That doesn’t do anything for the current u17/18/19 teams but in the long run will help.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 21, 2019 9:43:16 GMT -5
Just curious, what communication were you lacking? Full disclosure, my daughter plays SCCL at SSA as well but out of mud creek location. Her coach, who she has had for three different seasons now, has always been very well organized. We have a great team mgr. We’ve always known our schedule, get reminders the night before on game times, locations, jerseys, when to show up, etc. I can’t think of a moment when I was looking for more info or communication. I understand the SCCL-P “round robin” weekend was somewhat of a cluster but I think there was outside factors affecting it. But other than that, what communication do you think you missed? Lots of folks question potential promotion/ relegation. That has never been mentioned by the SCCL, or by anyone at SSA that I know of. Seems like more of a hope than anything folks should have been expecting. All SSA SCCL teams play their games at Mud Creek for home games. Our team just trains at a branch location during the week. The Director of SCCL for SSA is an old stickler to just informing coaches only and never wants to talk to Team Managers. A lot of coaches including ours has a very hands off approach to admin stuff and let the Team Manager handle most of communications between other teams etc... basically if something needs to be changed game time/date, field, rain-out makeup, jersey colors, any logistical stuff he would rather the Team Manager handle so he can concentrate on coaching. When the team played in the GA soccer system that was fine because the Team Manager had access to all the same information the coach did, and it was easy to do it all without bothering the coach. In SCCL in general there is a lot more bureaucracy involved in all the above stuff, then you add that the SCCL director for our club was/has and always will be bad at communication to start as those of us at this branch location have known this guy for years. The Team Manager at least for my kids team is frustrated because they get very little info because they are not allowed the info to begin with unlike in the Classic system, so the stuff that used to be able to handled by them now can not be as easily all because that SCCL Director refuses to also CC the team managers for all the teams. I'll admit our coach is older and he isn't good with technology etc... which is one of the reasons why the Team Manager knowing all this stuff was wonderful. It was a backup just in case the coach forgot to pass along the info, etc.... They talked with the coach over the phone or through text and handled the stuff without having to wait for it to be further disseminated down the chain if you get my drift. The team manager is one of the best ones I have ever seen as far as communication, but even the person can't be a great communicator if he doesn't have the info. I just see the manager's frustration versus last season when they were in the GA Soccer system. So I guess my frustration is more probably with the SSA leadership (specifically the SCCL Director at SSA) communication more so the entire league. I don't know how the other clubs do it, but I would assume if no one else is complaining their DOC for SCCL does actually have no problem talking to Team Managers along with the coaches for stuff that pertains to both of them (team logistics, time/dates, makeups, etc....). I fully understand some stuff should be coach only info as with any league, but it seems this guy is just stubborn as hell.
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Post by threeoheight on Nov 21, 2019 11:04:13 GMT -5
In case you wonder which communication we are lacking, start by looking at all the good/valid questions asked and pay especially attention to those asked repeatedly.
In order to help the leagues, we should probably start a new thread to specifically post and collect questions. Compile the ones asked most and submit these to the league directors to post an official Q&A on the website. Voila.
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Post by hotspur1 on Nov 21, 2019 11:26:57 GMT -5
In case you wonder which communication we are lacking, start by looking at all the good/valid questions asked and pay especially attention to those asked repeatedly. In order to help the leagues, we should probably start a new thread to specifically post and collect questions. Compile the ones asked most and submit these to the league directors to post an official Q&A on the website. Voila. But how much is a league issue and how much is club and coach? Slick and I both have children at the same club. I have zero issues with the communication this year. Slick in the other hand mentioned that his issues could possibly be attributed to coach and the fact the DOC didn’t cc team mgrs. Shouldn’t this then become an open letter to clubs?
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Post by soccergurl on Nov 21, 2019 11:35:02 GMT -5
In case you wonder which communication we are lacking, start by looking at all the good/valid questions asked and pay especially attention to those asked repeatedly. In order to help the leagues, we should probably start a new thread to specifically post and collect questions. Compile the ones asked most and submit these to the league directors to post an official Q&A on the website. Voila. Me thinks, sorry, promised to stop that. RE-Start: I think the coaches and directors already read this forum. I think if you have questions about communicating, your team or league ya'll should go to your academy/select director or top level DOC
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Post by hotspur1 on Nov 21, 2019 11:47:02 GMT -5
In case you wonder which communication we are lacking, start by looking at all the good/valid questions asked and pay especially attention to those asked repeatedly. In order to help the leagues, we should probably start a new thread to specifically post and collect questions. Compile the ones asked most and submit these to the league directors to post an official Q&A on the website. Voila. Me thinks, sorry, promised to stop that. RE-Start: I think the coaches and directors already read this forum. I think if you have questions about communicating, your team or league ya'll should go to your academy/select director or top level DOC Exactly. Last year my daughter had the chance to play NPL or SCCL. I asked the question, do SCCL winners move to any other league? The broad answer was this is a similar format to NPL or ECNL. Promotion/relegation are more of a club based decision, meaning clubs will move weaker teams to the lower league and stronger teams up. For example SSA has NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P ( as well as ECNL w/Concorde) on the girls side. Last years SSA Northside squads were for the most part outclassed as the NPL pick. They are in most age groups now the SCCL-P team. I had and have zero questions about promotion or relegation as the league stands today. I asked my club, they answered. SCCL isn’t perfect by any means but it is very well run. Our team had a good season and zero issues. I love the idea of giving suggestions to make the experience better but also understand that a lot of these issues are probably more club/coach based than league based. Might be better to start there as a parent first, could probably get action.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 21, 2019 13:06:56 GMT -5
Me thinks, sorry, promised to stop that. RE-Start: I think the coaches and directors already read this forum. I think if you have questions about communicating, your team or league ya'll should go to your academy/select director or top level DOC Exactly. Last year my daughter had the chance to play NPL or SCCL. I asked the question, do SCCL winners move to any other league? The broad answer was this is a similar format to NPL or ECNL. Promotion/relegation are more of a club based decision, meaning clubs will move weaker teams to the lower league and stronger teams up. For example SSA has NPL, SCCL, SCCL-P ( as well as ECNL w/Concorde) on the girls side. Last years SSA Northside squads were for the most part outclassed as the NPL pick. They are in most age groups now the SCCL-P team. I had and have zero questions about promotion or relegation as the league stands today. I asked my club, they answered. SCCL isn’t perfect by any means but it is very well run. Our team had a good season and zero issues. I love the idea of giving suggestions to make the experience better but also understand that a lot of these issues are probably more club/coach based than league based. Might be better to start there as a parent first, could probably get action. My only issue with going further up the chain over the SCCL director's head is the repercussions for my child by doing so. Coaches and Directors can be vindictive. I have seen it time and time again. So if there was a set procedure by a governing body outside the club (like in GA Soccer's case) then it prevents having to get into sticky situations like that and yes I'm fully aware upper admin at SSA probably already read this forum anyway. There may be a method behind my complaining by the way.
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