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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 13, 2019 12:29:17 GMT -5
Maybe some mis quotes in there, but probably would have been better to refrain from comment... Agreed. At least he admits that men and women in "managerial positions" should be pain the same and also at "the bank" because it is not a "physical" difference it is all in the head which is the same...at least according to FDB. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 14:30:15 GMT -5
Again, it will be up to the men to lose money for the women to get paid the same. The men will have to vote on it like NL and Norway have. So the women need to lobby the men to put their $$$ where their mouths are.
Also, dumbly worded, has nothing to do with physical stats. Its all about popularity and revenue.
However, if US male figure skaters earn as much as the women from the "federation" or whatever US governing body they have, then I can see why USSF would need to pay the women from the men's coffers. I don't believe that the male figure skaters should make anywhere near what the women do.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 13, 2019 15:01:21 GMT -5
Again, it will be up to the men to lose money for the women to get paid the same. The men will have to vote on it like NL and Norway have. So the women need to lobby the men to put their $$$ where their mouths are. Also, dumbly worded, has nothing to do with physical stats. Its all about popularity and revenue. However, if US male figure skaters earn as much as the women from the "federation" or whatever US governing body they have, then I can see why USSF would need to pay the women from the men's coffers. I don't believe that the male figure skaters should make anywhere near what the women do. He said it was revenue related and physical. The thing is that the revenue in the US is not clear. Also with regards to merchandise many times the shirts are the same so you can't tell whether someone is buying a national team jersey to support the men or the women. This year it was evident and the sales were WAY ABOVE expectations. They also screwed up though. They did not have all sizes for both jerseys in men's and women's styles and were way late to the market. |
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Post by jash on Aug 13, 2019 15:50:17 GMT -5
Maybe some miss quotes in there, but probably would have been better to refrain from comment... Frank is never one to shy away from saying what he thinks... and he's not wrong.
The best example is WNBA vs NBA. Should the WNBA players make the same average salary as NBA players? If so, why? If not, why not? My position is clearly no, because they clearly don't bring in the same money the men do. As Frank said, when they do start bringing in the same money, they deserve the same. If they bring in more, they should make more.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 15:50:47 GMT -5
Agreed, and if they want to keep paying out of separate pools they will need to have different kits and rebrand all merch as USMNT and USWNT. Then the revenue will be more easily discernable.
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Post by fridge on Aug 13, 2019 16:19:00 GMT -5
I think the revenue is fairly discernable through extrapolation. In each game they played in the US, men brought in $900,000 in profit and woman brought in $150,000ish in profit if I recall. I suspect that the ratio would be the same for TV revenue/market share numbers, etc. Again, I hope the woman blow it out, but it isn't going to be because the numbers support it.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 13, 2019 18:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 13, 2019 21:18:29 GMT -5
I get what Eales is saying. However, in my book actions speak louder than words. Yes the club is only a few years old, but if you want to speak about equality, step up and provide it.
- How long is it going to take for ATL UTD to add an NWSL team so they are offering the same professional opportunities to women as they are offering for men?
- How long is it going to take to add a girls youth program so they are offering the same opportunities to girls that they are offering to boys?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 13, 2019 22:21:01 GMT -5
I get what Eales is saying. However, in my book actions speak louder than words. Yes the club is only a few years old, but if you want to speak about equality, step up and provide it. - How long is it going to take for ATL UTD to add an NWSL team so they are offering the same professional opportunities to women as they are offering for men? - How long is it going to take to add a girls youth program so they are offering the same opportunities to girls that they are offering to boys? Read 2 articles that point to Louisville for nwsl expansion and nwsl might tag onto USL clubs www.wralsportsfan.com/nwsl-expansion-could-see-teams-added-in-usl-cities/17788280/ |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2019 7:53:27 GMT -5
Louisville? Interesting.
I just want one close enough to us that I can go see some games.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 14, 2019 8:34:34 GMT -5
Louisville? Interesting. I just want one close enough to us that I can go see some games. well, yeah.. I mean - when you think of soccer, you think of Kentucky! It's a hotbed of youth soccer (0 ECNL teams, 0 DA teams, 0 NPL teams, 1 NL team).. so why not? |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2019 9:07:25 GMT -5
Louisville? Interesting. I just want one close enough to us that I can go see some games. well, yeah.. I mean - when you think of soccer, you think of Kentucky! It's a hotbed of youth soccer (0 ECNL teams, 0 DA teams, 0 NPL teams, 1 NL team).. so why not? Well they are very close to Cincinnati which does have DA and ECNL those clubs are pretty awesome |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 14, 2019 14:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 15, 2019 11:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 15, 2019 12:28:17 GMT -5
This is the best thing that could happen. Stop trying the case in the court of public opinion. All the financials will be subpoenaed and laid bare.
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Post by footyfan on Aug 21, 2019 8:18:47 GMT -5
I wonder if the US National Team members on the Athletes Council would vote differently today. It’s kind of funny, at least to me, remember their vote (weighted vote election process) basically elected Carlos Cordiero President of US Soccer. Athletic Council current members Chris Ahrens (Chair) Yael Averbuch Carlos Bocanegra (Vice-Chair) Brian Ching Landon Donovan Brad Guzan Kevin Hensley Stuart Holden Meghan Klingenberg Ali Krieger Lori Lindsay Alex Morgan John O'Brien (USOC, Alternate) Heather O'Reilly Nick Perera Becky Sauerbrunn Gavin Sibayan, Jonathan Spector Lindsay Tarpley Aly Wagner (USOC) If they were unhappy with Gulati then why vote unanimously for his right hand man and expect something different than the status quo? Arguably Kathy Carter, who lost to Cordeiro, was the choice of Gulati (and (SUM/MLS), though it might have been that they(Gulati/SUM/MLS) had two ponies in the race. Carter was an original member of SUM/SUSAP (side by side with the head of US Club soccer, Kevin Payne.) |
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Post by atv on Oct 10, 2019 6:28:28 GMT -5
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Post by fridge on Dec 19, 2019 11:03:39 GMT -5
www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/84539/the-trends-behind-us-soccers-latest-financial-s.html Interesting article in Soccer America re US Soccer's financials for 2019. Realize this is for March to March fiscal year and so, doesn't include USWNT World Cup revenue which occurred later in 2019. Even so, it allows for somewhat of an apples to apples when 4 year world cup cycle isn't involved. Amazingly, they both lost money over those two years, but the woman lost more--Men $5.9 million and Women $12.7 million. USMNT: Revenues (2019 vs. 2018): $16,370,831 vs. $12,865,851 Expenses (2019 vs. 2018): $15,013,438 vs. $13,874,144 Opponent Fees (2019 vs. 2018): $5,506,724 vs. $875,624 Net Revenues: ($4,149,331) vs. ($1,883,917) USWNT: Revenues (2019 vs. 2018): $12,554,448 vs. $12,097,195 Expenses (2019 vs. 2018): $20,261,891 vs. $17,012,303 Net Revenues: ($7,707,443) vs. ($4,915,108)
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Post by atlfutboldad on Dec 19, 2019 12:34:31 GMT -5
I personally always assumed they'd lose in court this when the numbers came out. They're simply trying to win in the court of public opinion because they have results to back up an argument. In the end the MNT can say "join the 2 teams financially (collective pool) and pay them individually the same as we get paid" and I have no issue with that. But at the same time, I have no problem with the men saying "these are two separate organizations with 2 different CBA". I also think that part of the problem is a simple lack of understanding of the economics of the situation. I think Morgan and Lloyd are amongst the highest paid USSF players. Really for things to be "equal", they will have to take less money to distribute more to the lower level players. That or charge EVEN MORE for tickets to women's events. IMO the USSF SHOULD NEVER run in a deficit like this...I don't even know how that works, who is extending them this credit or is the deficit from the NT made up in other areas of USSF?
In the end, I think the women want more of the men's FIFA WC payout...but when there is no FIFA WC payout, there's nowhere for that money to come from.
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Post by Keeper on Dec 19, 2019 15:56:24 GMT -5
www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/84539/the-trends-behind-us-soccers-latest-financial-s.html Interesting article in Soccer America re US Soccer's financials for 2019. Realize this is for March to March fiscal year and so, doesn't include USWNT World Cup revenue which occurred later in 2019. Even so, it allows for somewhat of an apples to apples when 4 year world cup cycle isn't involved. Amazingly, they both lost money over those two years, but the woman lost more--Men $5.9 million and Women $12.7 million. USMNT: Revenues (2019 vs. 2018): $16,370,831 vs. $12,865,851 Expenses (2019 vs. 2018): $15,013,438 vs. $13,874,144 Opponent Fees (2019 vs. 2018): $5,506,724 vs. $875,624 Net Revenues: ($4,149,331) vs. ($1,883,917) USWNT: Revenues (2019 vs. 2018): $12,554,448 vs. $12,097,195 Expenses (2019 vs. 2018): $20,261,891 vs. $17,012,303 Net Revenues: ($7,707,443) vs. ($4,915,108) First off the link isn’t working anymore so I couldn’t read the article. Second, how the hell did the Women have $4-5 MILLION more in expenses for both years. Especially since they played nearly twice as many games as the men did in 2018. The Women played 21 games, 17 games in the Us with 4 away European friendlies, while the Men played 12 games, 8 in the US and 4 in Europe. I mean come on if they’re going to work twice as hard with twice as many games they should get double the pay. And then it’s very odd that in 2018 the revenue for both Men and Women are nearly equal. Something definitely not right there either. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Dec 19, 2019 16:46:55 GMT -5
I imagine the USSF does a lot of the lifting for the She Believe's Cup every year, there's gotta be more expenses in that. They probably don't rake in a ton of revenue.
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