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Post by fanatic21 on Jul 18, 2019 23:13:26 GMT -5
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Post by soccermonster on Jul 22, 2019 13:05:02 GMT -5
So let me get this right..... MM's team makes it through to the ECNL championship game but none of his 05 players get selected to go to this national event??? Complete BS. Clearly, this is purely political and I would be pissed if I was a parent on Muller's team. GC and GB are surely showing who their favorites are as these selections are NOT done by ECNL but by the coaches and club. Muller has an 06 on his team that should have been selected as well as her 04 sister who "I believe" was the leading scorer on her team this past season. <-don't completely quote me on that. If I was their dad - I'd be taking their talents to TH. The GA soccer politics is alive and well and this is why CF has the the reputation it does on the girls side because its about catering to specific players and not about building a team. On another note - I was slightly impressed to see a CESA player on the list. baffled.....
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Post by fridge on Jul 22, 2019 14:38:10 GMT -5
I think you may be jumping to some conclusions without all the facts and actually are wrong on some key conclusions you make. First, ENCL released the list to clubs around mid June. That was 2 weeks BEFORE MMs Cinderella story 2nd or 3rd place team headed off to nationals. (So, that kind of shoots down the main premise of your argument right there.) Second, there was a regional training weekend that took place at GSA around Jan or Feb. I am not 100%, but I think that these camps can be an entree' into the national event--which likely included the CESA kid your dogging. (I suspect MM's team had girls at the regional event.) Third, GC (do you mean GQ?) team had 05 playups who started and contributed on his first place team--so they probably did get recommended to the regional training--but not completely sure. Finally, I know the club well. GB is not getting involved over his coaches as to who they are sending to an ECNL regional camp. He's got bigger fish to fry.
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Post by ultimatedad on Jul 22, 2019 15:13:49 GMT -5
Or....It might be like any program in Georgia which is highly political.
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Post by fridge on Jul 22, 2019 16:33:55 GMT -5
It could be political, but before bashing a kid who got it, have some TRUE facts to support the position instead of false speculation. Indeed, given a bunch of 05s played up and were contributors to the #1 team in the region, it also could be merit based for those kids. I don't know all the kids involved, but if a kid is good enough to play up that means she's good enough to go to the national camp. And, the main basis of the argument above was bc MM's team did so good in nationals--well the selection occurred bf nationals. Bottom line, before (perhaps indirectly) bashing a kid, have at least verify one fact to in support of the position.
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Post by soccermonster on Jul 22, 2019 17:41:50 GMT -5
I think you may be jumping to some conclusions without all the facts and actually are wrong on some key conclusions you make. First, ENCL released the list to clubs around mid June. That was 2 weeks BEFORE MMs Cinderella story 2nd or 3rd place team headed off to nationals. (So, that kind of shoots down the main premise of your argument right there.) Second, there was a regional training weekend that took place at GSA around Jan or Feb. I am not 100%, but I think that these camps can be an entree' into the national event--which likely included the CESA kid your dogging. (I suspect MM's team had girls at the regional event.) Third, GC (do you mean GQ?) team had 05 playups who started and contributed on his first place team--so they probably did get recommended to the regional training--but not completely sure. Finally, I know the club well. GB is not getting involved over his coaches as to who they are sending to an ECNL regional camp. He's got bigger fish to fry. fridge First of all - I was NOT dogging the CESA kid at all - I was genuinely impressed that anyone from CESA made it as the club rarely gets any recognition. Not sure why you assumed it to be a negative comment. That was not my intent at all. Regardless of the timeline in which the list was released, my point is - not one of the player's from the ONLY team that went to the finals was selected to represent the club. My comment stands - I would be pissed if I was a parent on that team. I too can say that I know the club well and if you think for a second that GB doesn't have the final approval on the player's that are representing his club at a national event then you are sadly mistaken.
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Post by soccermonster on Jul 22, 2019 17:53:09 GMT -5
It could be political, but before bashing a kid who got it, have some TRUE facts to support the position instead of false speculation. Indeed, given a bunch of 05s played up and were contributors to the #1 team in the region, it also could be merit based for those kids. I don't know all the kids involved, but if a kid is good enough to play up that means she's good enough to go to the national camp. And, the main basis of the argument above was bc MM's team did so good in nationals--well the selection occurred bf nationals. Bottom line, before (perhaps indirectly) bashing a kid, have at least verify one fact to in support of the position. fridge No one is bashing any of the kids - You are totally misinterpreting the comment - go reread it! MM's team was NOT #1 they were #3 when they went to the championship game - the SSA CF team was #1 but I'm sure you will prove me wrong on that one too.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 22, 2019 18:19:58 GMT -5
It could be political, but before bashing a kid who got it, have some TRUE facts to support the position instead of false speculation. Indeed, given a bunch of 05s played up and were contributors to the #1 team in the region, it also could be merit based for those kids. I don't know all the kids involved, but if a kid is good enough to play up that means she's good enough to go to the national camp. And, the main basis of the argument above was bc MM's team did so good in nationals--well the selection occurred bf nationals. Bottom line, before (perhaps indirectly) bashing a kid, have at least verify one fact to in support of the position. fridge No one is bashing any of the kids - You are totally misinterpreting the comment - go reread it! MM's team was NOT #1 they were #3 when they went to the championship game - the SSA CF team was #1 but I'm sure you will prove me wrong on that one too. Fridge is referring to the 05 playups (KM and RJ) who played for the 04 team who were #1. Those 05 girls were recognized even if they mistakenly listed one as an 04 on the list. TBH I am not surprised at all that none of MM players were recognized, not because they aren't good...they are, but this list is for the VERY VERY best in the nation. There were few kids that were recognized from our region. The only 05 birth year girls from our region that were recognized were the playups to 04. So I don't think it is dissing on 05 CF Platinum to NOT recognized them even though they did great and made the semifinals. It was a great accomplishment, but it doesn't mean they have to be labeled as the greatest individual players. How many times in pro or college soccer do the champions have the best individual player? It happens, of course, but not every time.
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Post by fridge on Jul 23, 2019 7:55:27 GMT -5
It could be political, but before bashing a kid who got it, have some TRUE facts to support the position instead of false speculation. Indeed, given a bunch of 05s played up and were contributors to the #1 team in the region, it also could be merit based for those kids. I don't know all the kids involved, but if a kid is good enough to play up that means she's good enough to go to the national camp. And, the main basis of the argument above was bc MM's team did so good in nationals--well the selection occurred bf nationals. Bottom line, before (perhaps indirectly) bashing a kid, have at least verify one fact to in support of the position. fridge No one is bashing any of the kids - You are totally misinterpreting the comment - go reread it! MM's team was NOT #1 they were #3 when they went to the championship game - the SSA CF team was #1 but I'm sure you will prove me wrong on that one too.
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Post by fridge on Jul 23, 2019 8:05:44 GMT -5
You actually proved my point Soccermonster. The main post was that MM's kids deserved to go mainly bc they were good since they got to final 4 in nationals and so, it was politically motivated by GQ and GB that none of his kids went to ECNL national camp. I noted that the selection was made BEFORE nationals and, at that time, MM's team was #2 or #3 in the division (I didn't know)--meaning they weren't an extraordinary high level team at the time of the selection process. (In fact, MM's team was a much improved team at nationals bc it picked up one of the best players from Orlando City who helped immensely.) Meanwhile, GQ's 04 team was #1 in the division, scored like 100 goals, and was dominant with several contributing playups and so, his playups were clearly credible candidates for the ECNL national. However, saying directly or indirectly that these kids going had to be "clearly political" and "BS" is bashing them. I am not saying that political decisions don't occur--they do. HOWEVER, the main premise of the argument in this case was 100% wrong. So, before bashing some kids saying they went due strictly to politics, you better at least be 51% on target with your theory. Good discussion.
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Post by soccerguru on Jul 23, 2019 13:28:13 GMT -5
Fridge, I guess you do not know GB that well. He was always involved on the boys side in regards to National training center invites and ECNL All-American choices. I know personally he changed a coaches list that was invited into a training center that baffled the coach.
Don't know specifics about girls, but definitely on the boys side. Once a snake, always a snake.
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Post by soccerguru on Jul 23, 2019 13:35:05 GMT -5
On the 05 girls getting selected, they are fantastic soccer players. Congrats to them and their families on their hardwork and perseverance. The other girls need to keep working and one day they may be invited also.
and congrats to LM (02) for being selected. She's a tough competitor and has spent many of her extra hours training to get where she is. MM started training her when she was u9 or u10 and she works tirelessly on the field. Great girl, great family.
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Post by soccermonster on Jul 23, 2019 14:16:13 GMT -5
fridge - Very good discussion and I appreciate your comments. I had no intention on calling any player out but RJ is well deserving and she belongs at that event. She is definitely one of the top 05 players in the state of Georgia and works VERY hard and I don't want to take anything away from her talent. She has earned her spots on her own merit. My political comment was aimed at their 2nd choice....I firmly believe that there were other stronger players that should have taken that 2nd spot. That's my opinion. MM's 06 play up is a beast as is (SW) (Giselle's little sister) who is also a play up on Garvin's team.....However, when you pay the coach for privates - I guess it's quid pro quo....hence my political comment.
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Post by fridge on Jul 23, 2019 14:58:05 GMT -5
fridge - Very good discussion and I appreciate your comments. I had no intention on calling any player out but RJ is well deserving and she belongs at that event. She is definitely one of the top 05 players in the state of Georgia and works VERY hard and I don't want to take anything away from her talent. She has earned her spots on her own merit. My political comment was aimed at their 2nd choice....I firmly believe that there were other stronger players that should have taken that 2nd spot. That's my opinion. MM's 06 play up is a beast as is (SW) (Giselle's little sister) who is also a play up on Garvin's team.....However, when you pay the coach for privates - I guess it's quid pro quo....hence my political comment. I respectfully disagree with that as well. No question that GQ does a lot of private trainings (and apparently they are really good). That said, I am aware of as many as a dozen kids GQ has cut from his various teams notwithstanding him giving them private sessions. "Politics" did not get in the way of those decisions. Agree to disagree.
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Post by fridge on Jul 23, 2019 15:01:19 GMT -5
Fridge, I guess you do not know GB that well. He was always involved on the boys side in regards to National training center invites and ECNL All-American choices. I know personally he changed a coaches list that was invited into a training center that baffled the coach. Don't know specifics about girls, but definitely on the boys side. Once a snake, always a snake. "Don't know specifics about girls, but definitely on the boys' side." Given we are talking about the girl's side, I stopped reading after your concession of what you don't know. LOL.
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