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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 24, 2019 11:54:50 GMT -5
I imagine part of it is simply the kids not wanting to do it (MORE soccer) and probably even hearing from their club coaches that its pointless. Much like ODP tryouts, I told my kid if you make the team and do it this year, she can pick if she wants to do it again next year (its only 11 practice days plus sub-regionals and possibly regional tournaments). Honestly, most kids likely don't see the point, soccer is soccer, I practice 3 days a week already and sometimes have games on the weekend, that's enough. I get that my kid doesn't really see the point or big picture just yet (few kids likely do, most parents don't even), she's just going along with my suggestions (she didn't want to do prelim tryouts (played 70 minutes that morning, the heat on FG turf was BRUTAL), she didn't want to do state tryouts after volleyball practice (and miss her team practice, her coach was cool about it though), and didn't think she'd make the state pool).
I see it for what it is and that is a lot of things; training under different coaches, meet new players/expand your soccer circle (with the comfort of already knowing a few players in the pool), have new experiences, build her college resume, and generally putting yourself out there/breaking out of your comfort zone. I assume like most parents, my kid often doesn't want to try new things (summer camps, MS volleyball, winter futsal, Super-Y, etc), but mine ALWAYS comes out the other side having had a great time, making new friends/acquaintances, and (hopefully) lasting memories that 95% of her peers at school are not doing. Whether or not she plays through all of her HS years, whether or not she plays in college, or whatever her choices, at least she made the best go of it. In the past week I've run into some parents don't know what ODP is and some who thought it was still the method used by USSF to pick NT players. I think all clubs and rec departments should have handouts/brochures at tryouts explaining this entire nutzo US Soccer system. Kudos to GA Soccer for trying and having A LOT of information on their website. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Sept 24, 2019 13:23:50 GMT -5
The numbers don't bear that out on the boys' side. Just a quick look at a couple of age groups for boys - not much (if any) representation from NASA, CF, or UFA. That seems odd. Reason being is all those boys are playing DA at NASA, CF, and UFA. DA players are not able to participate in ODP. That is a lot of players not playing in all age groups. Yes and no. There's certainly a significant number of players in DA at those clubs not playing ODP. But those clubs also have a large number of players that could be in ODP - playing in ECNL, SCCL, NPL, Classic, etc. That's a lot of players that would be eligible. |
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Post by soccerdad76 on Sept 24, 2019 13:59:31 GMT -5
Reason being is all those boys are playing DA at NASA, CF, and UFA. DA players are not able to participate in ODP. That is a lot of players not playing in all age groups. Yes and no. There's certainly a significant number of players in DA at those clubs not playing ODP. But those clubs also have a large number of players that could be in ODP - playing in ECNL, SCCL, NPL, Classic, etc. That's a lot of players that would be eligible. this is the first year u12 does not have DA, and I think the big 5 were underrepresented due to those clubs not promoting it. For u13 and up, for kids coming out of DA and now eligible, it’s going to be hard to break through the established players already in ODP... you have to really stand out and get a fair look (similar to trying out at a new club). The kids already established are more likely to be from non-DA / non-big 5 clubs as well. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Sept 24, 2019 21:26:00 GMT -5
We were interested this year (U13) but missed tryouts. I will say we are at one of the Big-6 clubs in Metro Atlanta and didn't receive one thing about tryouts. By the time I had looked up the tryout dates, they had already passed.
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Post by hattrick07 on Sept 25, 2019 6:12:10 GMT -5
I imagine part of it is simply the kids not wanting to do it (MORE soccer) and probably even hearing from their club coaches that its pointless. Much like ODP tryouts, I told my kid if you make the team and do it this year, she can pick if she wants to do it again next year (its only 11 practice days plus sub-regionals and possibly regional tournaments). Honestly, most kids likely don't see the point, soccer is soccer, I practice 3 days a week already and sometimes have games on the weekend, that's enough. I get that my kid doesn't really see the point or big picture just yet (few kids likely do, most parents don't even), she's just going along with my suggestions (she didn't want to do prelim tryouts (played 70 minutes that morning, the heat on FG turf was BRUTAL), she didn't want to do state tryouts after volleyball practice (and miss her team practice, her coach was cool about it though), and didn't think she'd make the state pool).
I see it for what it is and that is a lot of things; training under different coaches, meet new players/expand your soccer circle (with the comfort of already knowing a few players in the pool), have new experiences, build her college resume, and generally putting yourself out there/breaking out of your comfort zone. I assume like most parents, my kid often doesn't want to try new things (summer camps, MS volleyball, winter futsal, Super-Y, etc), but mine ALWAYS comes out the other side having had a great time, making new friends/acquaintances, and (hopefully) lasting memories that 95% of her peers at school are not doing. Whether or not she plays through all of her HS years, whether or not she plays in college, or whatever her choices, at least she made the best go of it. In the past week I've run into some parents don't know what ODP is and some who thought it was still the method used by USSF to pick NT players. I think all clubs and rec departments should have handouts/brochures at tryouts explaining this entire nutzo US Soccer system. Kudos to GA Soccer for trying and having A LOT of information on their website. |
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Post by soccernotfootball on Sept 25, 2019 7:28:12 GMT -5
We were interested this year (U13) but missed tryouts. I will say we are at one of the Big-6 clubs in Metro Atlanta and didn't receive one thing about tryouts. By the time I had looked up the tryout dates, they had already passed. From my understanding, your coach can request that your player get a look during the first sessions. I'd ask him (or her). |
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Post by diamondmid on Sept 25, 2019 9:15:05 GMT -5
Good feedback!
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Post by hopesdad on Sept 25, 2019 10:37:38 GMT -5
soccernoleuk - you should definitely attempt to get your kid into ODP via a different route (than tryouts). I think they’d be very happy to accommodate. My kid’s team went from 1 GK to 4 GKs! Since (obviously) only 1 can play at a time, I took that as a fairly obvious grab for more moolah.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 25, 2019 11:38:24 GMT -5
soccernoleuk - you should definitely attempt to get your kid into ODP via a different route (than tryouts). I think they’d be very happy to accommodate. My kid’s team went from 1 GK to 4 GKs! Since (obviously) only 1 can play at a time, I took that as a fairly obvious grab for more moolah. When they scrimmage themselves they have 2 GK playing at a time. A lot of players miss training due to other commitments, injuries, etc. 4 may be one too many, but they need at least 3. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 25, 2019 17:24:06 GMT -5
Yeah, 2 is absolute minimum, for scrimmaging alone. 3 is a pretty common number across the age groups, but 4 is more common at the younger ages. It's a pool, not a team. For most age groups they will choose a team of 18 for regional championship tournament after the sub Regionals.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Sept 26, 2019 12:12:32 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the advice. We will have a conversation with our current coach and see what options we have.
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