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Post by OTPSoccer on Aug 20, 2019 23:10:40 GMT -5
There's been some recent discussion on the cost for different leagues. The ECNL schedule is now released and involves ~4 overnights (three to FL and one to TN), all in the fall. Admittedly, this is front loaded in the fall and the spring schedule is very user friendly. The SCCL schedule, as most know, involves zero to one overnight trip depending on your AL schedule (VH & BUSA).
ECNL costs roughly $100 more than SCCL (that's the GSA fee schedule).
ECNL has 19 games over the course of the year (Fall + Spring). SCCL has 28 games (Fall + Spring). 47% more games, $100 cheaper, 3-4 fewer overnight trips, no flights. Back of the envelope, $3-4k cheaper.
Adding GA soccer to the mix, Athena A costs $200 less than SCCL, has zero overnight trips (unless you have a Savannah AM game) and ~22 games.
Please, by all means, reach your own conclusions. As an SCCL parent, I appreciate the Big 5 standing behind SCCL. Collectively, well done... and looking forward to the growth of the league.
ECNL - please create two divisions (Florida = Division A, GA/TN/AL = Division B). That's how it is done in the Northeast. The hotel + flight + rental car requirements double to triple the cost of playing ECNL versus the next best option (SCCL). ECNL is better than SCCL, no argument. But it isn't 3x better.
Regards,
Concerned Consumer of Southeast Youth Soccer
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 21, 2019 7:23:52 GMT -5
Simple - put your money where your mouth is and put your kid in a lower league.
SCCL is also arguably not a 'second best' option to ECNL yet.. there's generally considered to be 2 other leagues in between those two (Piedmont/NL and NPL). NPL and NL travel/cost are similar to ECNL. DA is more.
If ECNL wasn't that much better, it wouldn't be important to you (and your kid) to play in that league - but it is.
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Post by justwatching on Aug 21, 2019 7:52:45 GMT -5
(response is in regards to girl's  ) I do not disagree with the sentiment of your argument (but I do think there are some generalizations you made that are arguable ...) but is there a way to also include and quantify the benefit of playing ECNL versus SCCL e.g. greater exposure to college scouting (especially Division 1 schools, scholarship money, etc.). I just mention this in order to really have a fair analysis. I do think a considerable number of players (girls) who play SCCL versus ECNL have different after club academy soccer goals so it would be hard to really do a true apples to apples comparison. But if you spend 6 years playing ECNL at $3k a year more than SCCL that's $18k extra cost. Maybe your child gets a partial scholarship to play in college. In order to break even you are talking about earning a $4500 scholarship a year over 4 years. So anything over $4500/yr you are in the positive. I have no idea what the numbers look like for SCCL players going to college to play but if you assume ECNL's published numbers are correct (https://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2018/02/07/over-1100-college-bound-athletes-in-the-girls-ecnl-class-of-2018/) 77% of eligible players play in college after graduation with 69% of those playing, playing at the D1 level and the remaining 31% at D2-NAIA or JUCO. I certainly don't believe all of those players received scholarships to play and would have no idea at a guess on what percentage did or for how much, but with those numbers you are far more likely to play in college than not by playing ECNL. In my mind there is value in that that should be considered when doing a side by side cost comparison. Oh and I do not have a kid who plays ECNL nor do I expect them to play ECNL |
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Aug 21, 2019 8:02:41 GMT -5
Something doesn't seem right with the Boys ECNL schedule (*haven't looked at girls side). There are a total of 14 teams so shouldn't each team play 26 games. There are 7 teams in Fla, two in TN and one in Alabama. I only see 20 games loaded and first of all notice that there are no games scheduled IN Miramar for a few teams. So, it looks to me like there could be a minimum of 5 weekends of travel, but 7 would make more sense - with a few weekends only having one game (outside of GA).
In addition, based on conversations with ECNL (boys) parents at GSA - the cost is not just an additional $100 on their club fees, last year, it was my understanding they also paid an additional $75/month for 6-8 months to cover ECNL fees. I don't know what they are this year, I haven't asked.
Just wanted to provide a few more facts. The cost for ECNL is, based on my very lazy calculations, about $3-4k more than SCCL.
The reality is - for the boys' side ECNL and SCCL are new. No one really knows how it is going to play out and those who are playing either now know that it will all change again in a couple of years. Soccer in US youth seems pretty fickle.
One true irony in US soccer that no one has discussed is this:
Girls can get a full scholarship, but once they go pro - they are not televised and they don't receive the same funding so their pay is lower.
Boys can't get a full scholarship, but once they go pro - they are televised and they receive more funding and pay is higher.
I just want my kid to play soccer as long as he wants to - and have fun - enjoy learning and playing the game and make some great memories, friends and life lessons along the way. I want to enjoy life with my family - all of my family and know that it could end at any moment. ONE injury is all it takes. I've seen it.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 21, 2019 9:09:49 GMT -5
I still consider it a wash between SCCL and NPL -- both leagues still need more time to mature, my preference would to see those leagues combined some how, so there is a clearer path vs separation just based upon club location for some.
The bottom of most leagues are usually bad, whether its DA, ECNL, NPL or SCCL -- there are some terrible DA teams. I won't single any out, but there is one here in north atlanta that really should not have DA in the younger age group. Maybe this year they prove us wrong, but their teams would struggle in SCCL.
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Post by footyfan on Aug 21, 2019 9:30:24 GMT -5
I still consider it a wash between SCCL and NPL -- both leagues still need more time to mature, my preference would to see those leagues combined some how, so there is a clearer path vs separation just based upon club location for some. The bottom of most leagues are usually bad, whether its DA, ECNL, NPL or SCCL -- there are some terrible DA teams. I won't single any out, but there is one here in north atlanta that really should not have DA in the younger age group. Maybe this year they prove us wrong, but their teams would struggle in SCCL. DA, ECNL and NPL ( each in varying degrees) have some sort of merit-based entry to the league. |
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Post by blu on Aug 21, 2019 9:56:51 GMT -5
ECNL may have 19 games on the schedule but there are A LOT of friendly games plus tournaments. There have already been 5 non-conference games this year and the season hasn't started.
ECNL is definitely more than $100 over SCCL at GSA. There are team fees that vary by team and are often decided by the parents to include stuff like: team yoga, outside speed/agility training, video recording (Trace), whatever else. Also includes coaches travel.
Agree, would rather they split the Southeast Division so travel isn't as crazy as it is. I would say 3-4k over SCCL is a fair estimate.
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Post by hammertime on Aug 21, 2019 10:28:43 GMT -5
Something doesn't seem right with the Boys ECNL schedule (*haven't looked at girls side). There are a total of 14 teams so shouldn't each team play 26 games. There are 7 teams in Fla, two in TN and one in Alabama. I only see 20 games loaded and first of all notice that there are no games scheduled IN Miramar for a few teams. So, it looks to me like there could be a minimum of 5 weekends of travel, but 7 would make more sense - with a few weekends only having one game (outside of GA). On the boys side the seven GA/TN/AL teams play each other twice (12 games) and only play the FL teams once (7 games) for a total of 19 games. For GSA/NASA they get the luck of the draw in having Miramar/Palm Beach coming to GA but not having to go/fly to South Florida. They travel to Orlando City and Tampa this weekend and Jacksonville (Armada) and Orlando (FKK) another weekend and then have a one game weekend in Jacksonville (FL Elite). So three trips to North Florida but avoid the South Florida gauntlet. Two of those trips, though, have teams two hours apart so still some travel once there. Concorde/Atl Fire on the other hand get Armanda/FL Elite (Jacksonville) at home, travel to Orlando (FKK) and Tampa in a weekend, have Orlando City in for a one game weekend and then have to go on the road to play Miramar/Palm Beach. The big change in the addition of the extra team is that it breaks up the OCYS/FKK and the Armada/FL Elite travel partnerships. |
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Post by hammertime on Aug 21, 2019 10:39:28 GMT -5
A little more digging...
Looks like FC Alliance, TSC, Orlando City, FKK and Tampa Bay are ALL meeting in Birmingham over Labor Day weekend where the three AL/TN teams will each play the FL teams once. That seems to make a lot of sense rather than those teams having to travel between cities.
Then TSC only have home to Miramar/Palm Beach and away to Armanda/FESA in addition to travel to Atlanta. But do have a weird GSA/AL FC travel weekend with a one game trip to NASA.
Whew...I'm actually impressed somebody was able to put all this together with two divisions of uneven teams.
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Post by hammertime on Aug 21, 2019 11:50:11 GMT -5
For the older ECNL boys (U15/2005s and up that only play in the fall - just the GA/AL/TN teams) there are 13 weekends between now and the Vegas Showcase the weekend before Thanksgiving with only three games, total, after that as I see it. So if you look at it as 19 games over 13 weekends that's a lot of games. Playing almost 70% of weekend days is a lot.
And while I get the point by the original poster that ECNL might be 3x the cost of SCCL I'd also argue that the play is more than 3x. The ECNL clubs that don't have a DA would be playing the 3rd team in SCCL of those that do have DA. That's a big gap.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 21, 2019 22:08:51 GMT -5
(response is in regards to girl's ) I do not disagree with the sentiment of your argument (but I do think there are some generalizations you made that are arguable ...) but is there a way to also include and quantify the benefit of playing ECNL versus SCCL e.g. greater exposure to college scouting (especially Division 1 schools, scholarship money, etc.). I just mention this in order to really have a fair analysis. I do think a considerable number of players (girls) who play SCCL versus ECNL have different after club academy soccer goals so it would be hard to really do a true apples to apples comparison. But if you spend 6 years playing ECNL at $3k a year more than SCCL that's $18k extra cost. Maybe your child gets a partial scholarship to play in college. In order to break even you are talking about earning a $4500 scholarship a year over 4 years. So anything over $4500/yr you are in the positive. I have no idea what the numbers look like for SCCL players going to college to play but if you assume ECNL's published numbers are correct (https://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2018/02/07/over-1100-college-bound-athletes-in-the-girls-ecnl-class-of-2018/) 77% of eligible players play in college after graduation with 69% of those playing, playing at the D1 level and the remaining 31% at D2-NAIA or JUCO. I certainly don't believe all of those players received scholarships to play and would have no idea at a guess on what percentage did or for how much, but with those numbers you are far more likely to play in college than not by playing ECNL. In my mind there is value in that that should be considered when doing a side by side cost comparison. Oh and I do not have a kid who plays ECNL nor do I expect them to play ECNL You won't be able to make that comparison, as SCCL only started last year. The number of SCCL players who have seen a college game is zero. Give it 4-5 years and you'll have data. |
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Post by footyfan on Aug 22, 2019 5:50:18 GMT -5
ECNL is a league that accepts teams based on an application that has some tough criteria concerning the club, teams and players. ECNL for girls is the standard of quality and for boys is second only to DA.
SCCL is just a league that made it easier for clubs to schedule games.
For sure there will be variations of club and team quality within each league but there is, on average, much higher quality teams and much less variation between them in ECNL because of the standards they set in the application.
Why is anyone bothering to compare the two?
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 22, 2019 5:58:22 GMT -5
Does the 3k include the ECNL showcases? I believe the cost difference is a lot more.
Playing in ANY league doesn't guarantee anyone a scholarship. I know kids in DA,ECNL, NL etc with zero offers. I also know kids in Athena/Classic that have gotten offers.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 22, 2019 6:14:15 GMT -5
ECNL is a league that accepts teams based on an application that has some tough criteria concerning the club, teams and players. ECNL for girls is the standard of quality and for boys is second only to DA. SCCL is just a league that made it easier for clubs to schedule games. For sure there will be variations of club and team quality within each league but there is, on average, much higher quality teams and much less variation between them in ECNL because of the standards they set in the application. Why is anyone bothering to compare the two? The OP was comparing the cost only. There was another poster in another recent post that was complaining that they were paying more for their kid to be in SCCL/SCCL-p over ECNL. Most people in that thread told them they were crazy and if that was the case then they are at the wrong club. ECNL by far is more expensive overall over SCCL even if the "Club Fees" portion of it are very close to each other. That being said I don't think anyone is saying overall ECNL = SCCL. I believe for the most part ECNL is a far superior level of play but obviously not at all age groups and levels. If it was head over heels better than SCCL, then some SCCL and SCCL-p teams would not be beating ECNL teams in pre-season tournaments. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Aug 22, 2019 6:49:38 GMT -5
You would have to see how many kids went to college from old Athena a and b teams. The numbers should be similiar. You can project from there.
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Post by footyfan on Aug 22, 2019 8:06:22 GMT -5
You would have to see how many kids went to college from old Athena a and b teams. The numbers should be similiar. You can project from there. I understand the initial post was about costs and that seems obvious. You pay more for a product that meets some quality standards(ECNL application). You pay less for something with no qualifications to join. So I think that's kind of the point. SCCL is just a new league, not new clubs or teams. Instead of being in a Georgia soccer league or USYS Piedmont Conference, these teams are in SCCL. There was no written criteria or qualification to join SCCL. Not saying it was right or wrong to start a new league, just it's the same group of teams with a different name. What's the fuss? Probably better to compare costs between SCCL and Georgia Soccer leagues. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 22, 2019 8:38:12 GMT -5
You would have to see how many kids went to college from old Athena a and b teams. The numbers should be similiar. You can project from there. I understand the initial post was about costs and that seems obvious. You pay more for a product that meets some quality standards(ECNL application). You pay less for something with no qualifications to join. So I think that's kind of the point. SCCL is just a new league, not new clubs or teams. Instead of being in a Georgia soccer league or USYS Piedmont Conference, these teams are in SCCL. There was no written criteria or qualification to join SCCL. Not saying it was right or wrong to start a new league, just it's the same group of teams with a different name. What's the fuss? Probably better to compare costs between SCCL and Georgia Soccer leagues. Comparison between Classic I/II / Athena A/B with SCCL/SCCL-p would be the better comparison. While there is noentrance requirement for them, truly there is not really one for USYS / GA Soccer Classic/Athena leagues either. I mean some teams just got Classic I / Athena A by asking for it, but once you are in the system you got to be promoted/relegated to advance. SCCL/SCCL-p is the same at least this year it is. If you are in SCCL-p and want to move up you need to finish in the top so you can move to the first division. Given that the Big 6 clubs have now registered all their academy age kids with Club Soccer rather than USYS/GA Soccer, I assume that means that SCCL will likely continue to expand to a SCCL-3 and maybe even and SCCL-4. They are voting with their money and do not like GA soccer obviously. As of now I like SCCL better than the Classic system. Fees are roughly the same but there are more games and it seems the schedule/organization so far is better than GA Soccer's system. These clubs didn't randomly choose the teams in SCCL/SCCL-p. They looked at the caliber of teams they had and picked them for the spots just like the coach/club looks at the caliber of their teams and requests Classic I, II, II, etc.... Generally most clubs/coaches get it right. Sometimes they don't. NPL is a league much like ECNL with some type of entrance requirement. I know plenty of boys side NPL teams that are horrible and most SCCL/SCCL-p teams can and have beat them. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 22, 2019 9:02:22 GMT -5
I understand the initial post was about costs and that seems obvious. You pay more for a product that meets some quality standards(ECNL application). You pay less for something with no qualifications to join. So I think that's kind of the point. SCCL is just a new league, not new clubs or teams. Instead of being in a Georgia soccer league or USYS Piedmont Conference, these teams are in SCCL. There was no written criteria or qualification to join SCCL. Not saying it was right or wrong to start a new league, just it's the same group of teams with a different name. What's the fuss? Probably better to compare costs between SCCL and Georgia Soccer leagues. Comparison between Classic I/II / Athena A/B with SCCL/SCCL-p would be the better comparison. While there is noentrance requirement for them, truly there is not really one for USYS / GA Soccer Classic/Athena leagues either. I mean some teams just got Classic I / Athena A by asking for it, but once you are in the system you got to be promoted/relegated to advance. SCCL/SCCL-p is the same at least this year it is. If you are in SCCL-p and want to move up you need to finish in the top so you can move to the first division. Given that the Big 6 clubs have now registered all their academy age kids with Club Soccer rather than USYS/GA Soccer, I assume that means that SCCL will likely continue to expand to a SCCL-3 and maybe even and SCCL-4. They are voting with their money and do not like GA soccer obviously. As of now I like SCCL better than the Classic system. Fees are roughly the same but there are more games and it seems the schedule/organization so far is better than GA Soccer's system. These clubs didn't randomly choose the teams in SCCL/SCCL-p. They looked at the caliber of teams they had and picked them for the spots just like the coach/club looks at the caliber of their teams and requests Classic I, II, II, etc.... Generally most clubs/coaches get it right. Sometimes they don't. NPL is a league much like ECNL with some type of entrance requirement. I know plenty of boys side NPL teams that are horrible and most SCCL/SCCL-p teams can and have beat them. Some very good points, but I can point out at least one error. I am a TM for an academy team at a big 6 club and we are registered through Georgia soccer, not US club. Now once teams get to be the oldest academy (U12) then the top team is registered with US Club as well as one other team or more now with two teams per age group in U12 SCCL. The teams U9-U11 are Georgia Soccer registered as well as lower U12 teams. The NPL comment is true, but again just saying that the lower level NPL teams can be beaten by better SCCL teams (for both boys and girls). We have to stop generalizing all of these leagues so much. There are quality teams in all leagues and quality players in all as well and this includes Georgia Soccer Athena/Classic teams. People choose a club and a team for different reasons. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 22, 2019 10:22:55 GMT -5
Comparison between Classic I/II / Athena A/B with SCCL/SCCL-p would be the better comparison. While there is noentrance requirement for them, truly there is not really one for USYS / GA Soccer Classic/Athena leagues either. I mean some teams just got Classic I / Athena A by asking for it, but once you are in the system you got to be promoted/relegated to advance. SCCL/SCCL-p is the same at least this year it is. If you are in SCCL-p and want to move up you need to finish in the top so you can move to the first division. Given that the Big 6 clubs have now registered all their academy age kids with Club Soccer rather than USYS/GA Soccer, I assume that means that SCCL will likely continue to expand to a SCCL-3 and maybe even and SCCL-4. They are voting with their money and do not like GA soccer obviously. As of now I like SCCL better than the Classic system. Fees are roughly the same but there are more games and it seems the schedule/organization so far is better than GA Soccer's system. These clubs didn't randomly choose the teams in SCCL/SCCL-p. They looked at the caliber of teams they had and picked them for the spots just like the coach/club looks at the caliber of their teams and requests Classic I, II, II, etc.... Generally most clubs/coaches get it right. Sometimes they don't. NPL is a league much like ECNL with some type of entrance requirement. I know plenty of boys side NPL teams that are horrible and most SCCL/SCCL-p teams can and have beat them. Some very good points, but I can point out at least one error. I am a TM for an academy team at a big 6 club and we are registered through Georgia soccer, not US club. Now once teams get to be the oldest academy (U12) then the top team is registered with US Club as well as one other team or more now with two teams per age group in U12 SCCL. The teams U9-U11 are Georgia Soccer registered as well as lower U12 teams. The NPL comment is true, but again just saying that the lower level NPL teams can be beaten by better SCCL teams (for both boys and girls). We have to stop generalizing all of these leagues so much. There are quality teams in all leagues and quality players in all as well and this includes Georgia Soccer Athena/Classic teams. People choose a club and a team for different reasons. I can only speak of the one club I know mostly about. I assumed the rest of the Big 6 would follow suit and make all their academy teams Club Soccer as well. I mean the clubs handle their games anyway until U12 and a top team. I would be interested in finding out how many academy teams (U9-U12) in Concorde, NTH, GSA, UFA, AFU, SSA are now registered with Club Soccer vs USYS. I feel pretty confident a lot if not most of the SSA ones are that way this season given the emails I saw during the horrible registration process in sportsengine. |
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Post by atv on Aug 28, 2019 7:16:12 GMT -5
IMO, the biggest issue with Boys ECNL is that the 1 or 2 non competitive clubs in each conference frankly need to be “purged”. For example, Jacksonville Armada in the SE conference. I guess the same thing happens in every league, DA, NL, etc. However, IMO this isn’t fair to players and parents time/ money. It is frankly holding the league back. Hell, from an opportunity cost perspective I’ve got better things to do with my time than taking a trip to Florida to play a cupcake Armada team, like getting my oil changed. Maybe I’m wrong as it’s still early...
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Post by footyfan on Aug 28, 2019 9:02:09 GMT -5
Can a club in SCCL-P East have a team get promoted to SCCL?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 28, 2019 11:37:49 GMT -5
Can a club in SCCL-P East have a team get promoted to SCCL? That is a very very good question that I do not know the answer to. I don't think anyone knows the answer because I don't think they have really come up with definite rules on promotion/relegation yet. I have a feeling I'm not going to like them either. So for instance 1 club has 2 good teams, are the other Big 5 really going to allow 2 of one club to be in SCCL-1 while possibly one of the Big 5 having to have 2 in SCCL-P and possibly none in SCCL-1. I just have my doubts the egos will allow this. We shall see, but count me as skeptical. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 28, 2019 11:42:05 GMT -5
The only clubs in GA this would apply to are AFU and Augusta who are not in SCCL-1.
Otherwise it would be up to the club to move players from the lower -P team to the -1 team OR promote the -P team branch team to -1 and relegate the -1 branch team to -P (UFA has done this in a couple instances I believe).
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Post by soccernoleuk on Aug 28, 2019 12:33:46 GMT -5
Can a club in SCCL-P East have a team get promoted to SCCL? As of right now there is no Promotion / Relegation setup for SCCL-1 and SCCL-P. While it might come in the future, it isn't something that anyone can strive for next season. Considering everything within SCCL revolves around an entire club and not an individual team, my guess is Pro/Rel will be more of a club wide thing and not specific to an individual team. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 28, 2019 13:43:43 GMT -5
Can a club in SCCL-P East have a team get promoted to SCCL? As of right now there is no Promotion / Relegation setup for SCCL-1 and SCCL-P. While it might come in the future, it isn't something that anyone can strive for next season. Considering everything within SCCL revolves around an entire club and not an individual team, my guess is Pro/Rel will be more of a club wide thing and not specific to an individual team. If that is the case then politics will decide it in most clubs with the branch locations getting the short end of the stick in most cases and in most clubs. So no matter if a team wins SCCL-p, if the other team is a decent team in SCCL they have no way to progress and will have to continue to play the same teams year after year in SCCL-p. I know in the case of my son's team, no one wants to travel to the main location of our club if offered to play on a higher team (SCCL, NPL, or DA). I know that is the case because some were already offered positions on those teams and they declined due to the travel and wanting to play with their friends and not random kids they didn't know, so that isn't going to fly. Seems like his team might have been better off staying in the Classic system (They would have likely been Classic I this season) and working their way up if they aren't going to enact a fair promotion/relegation method between the two divisions. |
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Post by atv on Aug 29, 2019 8:16:33 GMT -5
The only clubs in GA this would apply to are AFU and Augusta who are not in SCCL-1. Otherwise it would be up to the club to move players from the lower -P team to the -1 team OR promote the -P team branch team to -1 and relegate the -1 branch team to -P (UFA has done this in a couple instances I believe). My understanding is the club player movement SCCL-P -> SCCL -> ECNL is fluid. Players can be promoted mid season. I believe demotions can happen as well. |
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Post by footyfan on Aug 29, 2019 8:24:29 GMT -5
The only clubs in GA this would apply to are AFU and Augusta who are not in SCCL-1. Otherwise it would be up to the club to move players from the lower -P team to the -1 team OR promote the -P team branch team to -1 and relegate the -1 branch team to -P (UFA has done this in a couple instances I believe). My understanding is the club player movement SCCL-P -> SCCL -> ECNL is fluid. Players can be promoted mid season. I believe demotions can happen as well. This seems to support the concern that teams wont move up or down. Teams are just placeholders for the movement of players between leagues |
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Post by TheMadOx on Aug 29, 2019 8:46:23 GMT -5
AFU and Augusta teams would not be able to promote up to SCCL unless the entire club does....these SCCL and SCCL-p models are club centric. Has nothing to do with teams. All ages roll to the same venues on the same dates to play matches. Honestly I have seen AFU promote these teams as SCCL and leaving off the fact that it's not SCCL level, but SCCL-p.
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Post by footyfan on Aug 29, 2019 9:35:02 GMT -5
If one entire club gets promoted to SCCL from SCCL-P, must a different entire club be relegated to SCCL-P?
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Post by TheMadOx on Aug 29, 2019 9:41:51 GMT -5
This is the unknown about SCCL and SCCL-P...Its still a young league. There is has been zero discussion about promote or relegate at all. But if it happens, it would have to be club promote or relegate for sure since the design is club centric vs team focus.
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