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Post by datrain on Sept 8, 2019 21:05:51 GMT -5
I was faced with the unusual situation yesterday. Competitive SCCL Premier U15 game. The opposing coach made my son the focus of his pre-game motivational speech to his team....saying that if they didn't hang 5 goals on that "little punk" they were looking at extra practice. The coach made certain that my son heard it. This is not the first time that this has happened as we faced this same team in a tournament and the same coach spent most of the second half yelling at my child (the opposing goalie). To make matters worse, the coach refused to shake hands in the post-game handshake line in both games. Less concerned about the lack of a handshake...despite the fact that it lacks sportsmanship. Honestly though, I have never seen an opposing coach "talking smack" at an opposing player at U15 or younger.
Is the proper response to email Georgia Soccer? Contact the offending program? Looking for some parental insight here as to the appropriate response.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 8, 2019 22:34:45 GMT -5
So is the coach "jawing" at your kid because he's good or does it seem like there is a personal bias and in turn he's being specifically targeted? If not, l would honestly start by raising the question or issue with the coach privately. He may not realize what he's doing and may just need to be aware of it. I know at U15 some of our boys look ginormous but they are still kids and he's still coaching within Youth Soccer, so all that jawing is not called for. Telling the referee about it might also help to diffuse the situation, especially if the ref is an adult. If the coach refuses to stop or blows you off, then I would recommend the full court treatment. First let your club coach and director know. Secondly, let his directors know. If all that fails, try to record said heinous behavior and turn it into Georgia Soccer, SCCL/US Club. At the very least let us know his name. If it is a pattern, others might also come forward to show a pattern. Finally, in an extreme situation, just have your team parents, friends, etc. shout him down throughout the game. Also helps if you have placards and signs putting a spotlight on his behavior. Hopefully, it doesn't come to this but you get the drift...
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 9, 2019 5:30:49 GMT -5
SCCL doesn't fall under GA Soccer, so they wouldn't do anything.
Start by talking to your coach first and then go from there
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Post by papacoach on Sept 9, 2019 5:42:52 GMT -5
If the coach jawing is loud enough for others and myself to hear, I bet the coach won’t like my jawing at him when I’m done cooling his ignorance..
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 9, 2019 7:22:26 GMT -5
I was faced with the unusual situation yesterday. Competitive SCCL Premier U15 game. The opposing coach made my son the focus of his pre-game motivational speech to his team....saying that if they didn't hang 5 goals on that "little punk" they were looking at extra practice. The coach made certain that my son heard it. This is not the first time that this has happened as we faced this same team in a tournament and the same coach spent most of the second half yelling at my child (the opposing goalie). To make matters worse, the coach refused to shake hands in the post-game handshake line in both games. Less concerned about the lack of a handshake...despite the fact that it lacks sportsmanship. Honestly though, I have never seen an opposing coach "talking smack" at an opposing player at U15 or younger. Is the proper response to email Georgia Soccer? Contact the offending program? Looking for some parental insight here as to the appropriate response. Well going from your prior posts, I assume your kid plays for NASA/TH. I also assume this is SCCL-P since SCCL Boys teams in U15 didn't play last weekend. Edit: See additional post for corrected Team and coach name.... I'm going to go ahead and tell you if an opposing coach said anything derogatory about my kid and I heard it or heard about it, there wouldn't be any need for correction, it would be corrected at the field then and there. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 9, 2019 7:24:32 GMT -5
Why in the world is the coach addressing an opposing player at all? Other then "stop #13" or "stay in front of #21", etc.
Sounds like that coach is butthurt about your kid. Did he used to play for him or do something to one of that coach's teams previously? Aside from the tournament has he played that coach before?
There's nothing your coach can do that you couldn't do, especially without evidence. The main thing I'd do is record the opposing coach during the next game against that team, trim it down to the lowlights and pass it along top the DoC's of both clubs. Depending on what was said I might have a recorded informal discussion with the coach (so its not a "he said-he said" sort of thing).
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Post by datrain on Sept 9, 2019 8:29:28 GMT -5
I was faced with the unusual situation yesterday. Competitive SCCL Premier U15 game. The opposing coach made my son the focus of his pre-game motivational speech to his team....saying that if they didn't hang 5 goals on that "little punk" they were looking at extra practice. The coach made certain that my son heard it. This is not the first time that this has happened as we faced this same team in a tournament and the same coach spent most of the second half yelling at my child (the opposing goalie). To make matters worse, the coach refused to shake hands in the post-game handshake line in both games. Less concerned about the lack of a handshake...despite the fact that it lacks sportsmanship. Honestly though, I have never seen an opposing coach "talking smack" at an opposing player at U15 or younger. Is the proper response to email Georgia Soccer? Contact the offending program? Looking for some parental insight here as to the appropriate response. Well going from your prior posts, I assume your kid plays for NASA/TH. I also assume this is SCCL-P since SCCL Boys teams in U15 didn't play last weekend. So if that is the case you are talking about UFA 05B Red team and you all played at Fowler yesterday, and looking at Soccer in College you also did play that team in a tournament in the pre-season, so I am fairly certain I got this right. I got no problem calling out a coach's name if they are being unprofessional, and that is exactly what seems to have happened. The coach's name for that UFA 05B Red (SCCL-P) team is: Raul Ignacio Diaz Arce. I'm going to go ahead and tell you if an opposing coach said anything derogatory about my kid and I heard it or heard about it, there wouldn't be any need for correction, it would be corrected at the field then and there. In fairness to UFA and Mr. Arce, it was not him.....it occurred during the Saturday game. The UFA game had issues of its own, but not coach/program/opponent related.
When it happened the first time at the tournament, I yelled at the coach to be quiet. Normally, I just let me son handle it.....but the coach was literally walking down the sideline yelling at my son. The alleged infraction was that the opposing coach was irate that the goalie (my son) was not sprinting after wayward shots from his team in the final 10 minutes of a 1-0 game to initiate goal kicks. The more the coach screamed and carried on with my son and the fact that he came off the bench down the field to go bezerk, the slower my son restarted. The offending coach literally walked the sideline down inside the 18 to berate him and stayed there for the final 10 minutes.
On Saturday, said coach made it a point to make certain that his pregame speech was loud enough for everyone in 3 counties to hear and directly in front of my 14 yo.
What this clown failed to realize is that his actions only served to rev my child up and motivate him to play well.
We play this team again down the road (game 3)...should be interesting
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Post by hotspur1 on Sept 9, 2019 8:34:41 GMT -5
Why in the world didn’t your coach address it during the tourney game or this game?
Also the Ref should’ve taken care of it during the tourney. I’ve been in a similar situation twice. Once as a ref, once while watching a game. Both times the offending coach quickly got shut down.
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Post by datrain on Sept 9, 2019 8:39:45 GMT -5
In the tournament, the ref tried to deal with the offending coach but was ignored. He did ask my son to speed things up, which was fine. That said, even when the increased speed of restart was still not to said coach's liking, he continued to stand there inside the 18 and continue his behavior.
On Saturday, the refs did absolutely nothing until halftime as the opposing coach continued to "jaw" at my son....and this time, my son let him have it. The referees appeared to be employees of the host club. Only after my son opened his mouth and responded did the referees intervene in any way. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 9, 2019 8:40:00 GMT -5
In fairness to UFA and Mr. Arce, it was not him.....it occurred during the Saturday game. The UFA game had issues of its own, but not coach/program/opponent related.
When it happened the first time at the tournament, I yelled at the coach to be quiet. Normally, I just let me son handle it.....but the coach was literally walking down the sideline yelling at my son. The alleged infraction was that the opposing coach was irate that the goalie (my son) was not sprinting after wayward shots from his team in the final 10 minutes of a 1-0 game to initiate goal kicks. The more the coach screamed and carried on with my son and the fact that he came off the bench down the field to go bezerk, the slower my son restarted. The offending coach literally walked the sideline down inside the 18 to berate him and stayed there for the final 10 minutes.
On Saturday, said coach made it a point to make certain that his pregame speech was loud enough for everyone in 3 counties to hear and directly in front of my 14 yo.
What this clown failed to realize is that his actions only served to rev my child up and motivate him to play well.
We play this team again down the road (game 3)...should be interesting
My apologies then. It was Concorde Fire 2005 Boys SCCL-P then and his name is Felipe Quintero. Like I said I got no issues calling out a coach for bad behavior. His name sounds familiar. I believe my kid's team may have played a team he coached before. I would have to go back and look. |
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Post by papacoach on Sept 9, 2019 9:04:51 GMT -5
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 9, 2019 9:10:32 GMT -5
It will have to be Club Soccer and SCCL board since this isn't GA Soccer and they won't do anything. I don't know about referees and how that works with US Club vs GA Soccer affiliated leagues since referees can and do referee both types of games. |
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Post by soccerdaddy on Sept 9, 2019 9:48:22 GMT -5
I knew it couldn't be Coach Raul. I know Raul Diaz Arce and he is a very laid back Coach. He would never single out any of his or opposing players as well as Coaches.
He is a Soccer idol to many fans, a former National Team player for El Salvador, former great player and scorer in the MLS and a role model for youth players.
Coaches are supposed to be role models not HOT HEADS who can't manage their anger during games. This rubs off on players and our beautiful game gets tainted with fouling instead of playing and here we are complaining about an UGLY game . Such nonsense!
You can have video ready next time so that it can be used to form a complaint with the clubs and US CLUB SOCCER. Besides you can see what else goes on around the side lines too.
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Post by papacoach on Sept 9, 2019 10:39:44 GMT -5
oh snap..Correction: File a formal complaint to SCCL, opposing Team Club and to US club soccer; All Formal complaints are promptly handled and investigated.. Ensure to include Sean Carey Southeastern Club Champions League League Director sean@southeasternccl.com www.southeasternccl.com/rules.htmlCoaching from the sidelines Coaching from the sidelines is permitted, so long as one is giving direction to one’s own team on points of strategy, tactics and position provided that the following conditions are complied with: The tone of voice is informative and sportsman like PENALTY: Disciplinary action by the Disciplinary Committee. PROTESTS and APPEALS Disciplinary Committee: It shall manage all matters requiring arbitration that pertain to League sponsored competition(s). The Disciplinary Committee will administer Game Protests and Behavioral Incidents. The Disciplinary Committee has the authority to suspend or fine any Player, Coach, Team, Team Official, Club Official, Team and/or Club Supporter. The Disciplinary Committee has the authority to fine any Member Club US Club Soccer: cdn1.sportngin.com/attachments/document/0e25-1692167/US-Club-Soccer-Policy-Manual-2017-06-09.pdf?_ga=2.149203702.1500788248.1568042914-757589091.1568042914Page 10, SECTION 9–DISCIPLINE and SECTION 13–RISK MANAGEMENT: Policy 15.04–Filing Requirements.(a)An Appeal or allegation shall be in writing (i.e. written allegation) and include:--The nature and specifics of the complaint;--A list of the Bylaws, Policies, or rules that have been violated;--A statement of the requested result;--The applicable filing fee,if any.(b)A written allegation, along with all supporting documents, shall be forwarded by Registered or Certified U. S. Mail--return receipt requested to the disciplinary committee set forth in the competition rules, or to the US Club Soccer Discipline Committee at: Attn: Discipline Committee US Club Soccer 192 East Bay Street, Suite301 Charleston, SC 29401 www.usclubsoccer.org/bylaws-policies-guidelines |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 9, 2019 10:54:53 GMT -5
This will be a wonderful test of the league and the sanctioning body.
Best of luck. Our children deserve better.
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Post by soccergurl on Sept 9, 2019 11:43:55 GMT -5
Me thinks a timely placed throat-punch would solve the issue
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Post by atlsoccer on Sept 9, 2019 12:32:24 GMT -5
This should be addressed by the referee first, and your coach first. The other teams coach should almost never directly communicate with a player on the other team.
With that said, I've seen several threads of people who love the coach in question and have never heard a single negative thing about him. I could be wrong, and while there is not excuse for it, I imagine there was very out of the ordinary for him.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 9, 2019 14:00:59 GMT -5
In the tournament, the ref tried to deal with the offending coach but was ignored. He did ask my son to speed things up, which was fine. That said, even when the increased speed of restart was still not to said coach's liking, he continued to stand there inside the 18 and continue his behavior.
On Saturday, the refs did absolutely nothing until halftime as the opposing coach continued to "jaw" at my son....and this time, my son let him have it. The referees appeared to be employees of the host club. Only after my son opened his mouth and responded did the referees intervene in any way. Good for your kid! Funny that it takes an action by a child for the other adults to finally say something and get involved. Petty me says Game 3, you get the parents together to have a pregame smack talking session for just the parents side talking about the Coach and how he’s a nearly worthless human being. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 9, 2019 14:45:51 GMT -5
This should be addressed by the referee first, and your coach first. The other teams coach should almost never directly communicate with a player on the other team. Neither coaches nor parents should address a player. Nor fans. At the UGA tourney a couple weekends ago while Auburn/Maryland were playing the UGA band nerds were being pretty rude to a couple Auburn players on that sideline. You'd think the parents of college kids would raise their children better. Being stupid talking about Auburn whatever, but not harassing a player. I kinda wish they would have done it to some of the Maryland players as those parents sounded ready for a fight. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Sept 9, 2019 20:30:50 GMT -5
Me thinks a timely placed throat-punch would solve the issue yes that would be a great example for everyone. |
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Post by papacoach on Sept 9, 2019 21:46:12 GMT -5
Sure would, an example everyone will remember.. it only takes one  |
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Post by Keeper on Sept 9, 2019 22:42:32 GMT -5
This should be addressed by the referee first, and your coach first. The other teams coach should almost never directly communicate with a player on the other team. Neither coaches nor parents should address a player. Nor fans. At the UGA tourney a couple weekends ago while Auburn/Maryland were playing the UGA band nerds were being pretty rude to a couple Auburn players on that sideline. You'd think the parents of college kids would raise their children better. Being stupid talking about Auburn whatever, but not harassing a player. I kinda wish they would have done it to some of the Maryland players as those parents sounded ready for a fight. Wait uga people being rude and stupid? Isn’t that the definition of all uga students??? 🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by mark on Sept 9, 2019 22:53:32 GMT -5
This should be addressed by the referee first, and your coach first. The other teams coach should almost never directly communicate with a player on the other team. Neither coaches nor parents should address a player. Nor fans. At the UGA tourney a couple weekends ago while Auburn/Maryland were playing the UGA band nerds were being pretty rude to a couple Auburn players on that sideline. You'd think the parents of college kids would raise their children better. Being stupid talking about Auburn whatever, but not harassing a player. I kinda wish they would have done it to some of the Maryland players as those parents sounded ready for a fight. I'm guessing you didn't go to a college game in the 70's or 80's. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 9, 2019 23:22:00 GMT -5
The only college football games I went to in the 80's were at the Air Force Academy, West Point and some of USAFA's conference rivals, and no, people did not act like that.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2019 6:31:46 GMT -5
The only college football games I went to in the 80's were at the Air Force Academy, West Point and some of USAFA's conference rivals, and no, people did not act like that. UGA fans are absolutely the worst football fans there are. All fan bases have them but they by far are the worst I have ever encountered. The funny thing is I have never met a UGA alumni I didn't like, but their sidewalk/bandwagon fans (most of whom probably didn't finish high school much less college) and their students are horrible. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 10, 2019 8:19:04 GMT -5
Back on topic, datrain do you plan on submitting a complaint? If so, please keep this thread/board updated.
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Post by datrain on Sept 10, 2019 9:18:58 GMT -5
I plan to do later this week
As much as it bothered me the first week, I was willing to move on....under the theory that everyone has a bad day and we all do things and say things that we regret upon reflection
But two times, it reflects a pattern of behavior that this individual somehow deems as acceptable
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 10, 2019 9:46:35 GMT -5
Yeah, absolutely report it. But do record it if it happens at the next game.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 10, 2019 11:05:44 GMT -5
Yeah, absolutely report it. But do record it if it happens at the next game. I'm sure word has gotten to the coach at this point about someone speaking about him on this forum, so I highly doubt it will happen again. Word from this forum travels quite quickly since most clubs have members, coaches, team managers, directors, etc... on it even if they only lurk. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 10, 2019 11:29:13 GMT -5
If nothing else, email YOUR coach and DoC to create an audit trail.
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