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Post by guerillaman on Oct 12, 2019 12:00:21 GMT -5
Social network silence.
Don’t listen to their BS that they don’t care about winning.
I’ve heard a lot of negativity from the older 2 groups recently and kids on the gap year team being left and told they are free to leave as they choose. I’ve also heard grumblings from local coaches about the incompetence of their recruiting staff.
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Post by Upper90 on Oct 12, 2019 17:59:22 GMT -5
Are they suppose to go on social media & tout their losses?? I don’t think any club does that, but okay...Anyway, it doesn’t ever seem like AU can do anything right on this forum from a DA standpoint. 🤭
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 12, 2019 19:09:18 GMT -5
Go look at their wins and losses or better yet look at AU roster with developed players...none unless you try to say GB. He was already 17 or 18.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 13, 2019 5:46:26 GMT -5
Whoa, I'm gone for a minute and the HATERade showers are abound. I'm curious, why is there so much visceral hatred for AU and how they do or don't do things? I personally find it laughable how we all have opinions(myself included) and just know our way of doing things is much better than whatever AU might have in store. Now how many pro footy academies have we collectively run or even worked at? 🙋♀ To make sure I'm correct, I know they might look like fully grown men, but we're talking about the Academy teams, made up of kids right? So let's address the *hate*, sorry the issues some adults on here have. Social Media, hmmm 🤔 I was under the impression it was supposed to be used as a medium to promote positivity, success and every so often throw some shade on a rival? I know some use it as a form of bullying or to spread hate, but what do I know. Hold my wine glass 🍷 , as I go check to see how UGA shaped their loss to South Carolina at home on social media. Yup, didn't see anything about their loss to SC, or Jake Fromm (State Farm) really helping to showcase the SC cornerback by throwing to him 3 times with one ending up as a pick 6 🤓 Guess, the same question should apply to UGA, [How do you know when UGA's football team lose.....?] Next, let's address the issue associated with the two older age groups. Some of the younger 2004 boys will naturally and statistically lose-out to the older 2003s. Next year, the same thing will happen between the 2004s & 2005s. It's biology. AU chooses to keep all those boys. I think it apropos to remind folks that AU doesn't charge a dime to any of the players and does all of this GRATIS. Sometimes sadly, a kid picked does't work out, or there are others who blossom. Either way, it's the ugly part of high level sports. Last time I checked, this isn't some authoritarian regime that forces 3 month old babies into a lifetime of sports to help the motherland. For those that are unhappy with how they are not being developed, they can leave. There are other MLS and non-MLS clubs that they'd most likely get loads of playing time. Finally, the issue of developing players. That is a topic fraught with loads of opinions. No one, I say again NO ONE, knows how a child will develop. There is no perfect system that gives you a road map as to who will blossom into a potential first team player. AU has been at this for all of 3 years. Compare that to a club that is widely credited with being the best MLS club at developing and signing youth players - FC Dallas. They have signed upwards of 20 - 25 Homegrown players, but they've also been at this for almost a quarter of a century too. It's clearly not a science but a bit of luck too. Even the European powerhouse clubs who have been at this for almost a century struggle with their choices also - bit.ly/2whpnDEBefore I get the "homer" label, for the record, most of you know all my kids played at UFA and are now thankfully done. However, I will ardently support the local Pro Team and what they are trying to, just like I "try" to support the other local major sports teams. AU is the top of the food chain in local youth soccer. As much as you may or may not like what they are doing, I bet there are far and few young lads (obviously, parents too) who wouldn't drool at the thought of playing for AU if given the chance. So I ask again, why the visceral hatred for AU? |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 8:01:36 GMT -5
So FC D as less has homegrown players from 20 - 25 years ago. MLS Soccer is still a 4th Division level now at best. It was so much worse back then, it was rarely if ever broadcasted. Not sure player development back then is a good argument. Have you watched AU2 play? I can only say I've seen better play from college teams I see on television.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Oct 13, 2019 8:34:25 GMT -5
Wow. The experts are in full force today...
Totally agree with Futsal on this one. Unlike Futsal, I do have a dog in the fight. My son plays on one of the older teams at AU.
Ok we are in week 10 of the Academy system. 6 of which was preseason. So we have 37 more to go...lol It's about "player" development in this system. All players develop at own pace. Some players are still small on the older teams but the Academy sees talent and opportunity. Most clubs would have cut them because of "size" and most likely fallen through the cracks. But ATL keeps them and develops them. They could go out and get the fastest players, the biggest players etc..but they have chosen the development of these players. ITS also not about SKILL. Personality has a lot to do with as well. Keep that in mind...
Like any Brand you always like to promote success. This holds true for pretty much everything (Marketing 101). Do you think Ford motor company is going to Tweet how many deaths they had in Fords for that week?? Coke tweeting that it made an assist in the Acid reflux growth??
Does recruiting miss players? Sure they do. It happens everywhere, maybe some on this forum are a little jaded that their sons are overlooked??
I love that my club really respects my son and have his best interest in mind. Its a long race, enjoy the fight.
Soccerparent 02-As for USL, really?? lol Its a pathway from the Academy to Team 1...lol They could go out and get top-level "men" for this team but they use it to "Develop" academy players. You should be honored that you have an amazing club that develops players, not a money grab, and loves the community.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 13, 2019 9:24:35 GMT -5
So FC D as less has homegrown players from 20 - 25 years ago. MLS Soccer is still a 4th Division level now at best. It was so much worse back then, it was rarely if ever broadcasted. Not sure player development back then is a good argument. Have you watched AU2 play? I can only say I've seen better play from college teams I see on television. So...4th division? Are you implying that MLS is the equivalent of English League Two? Or Championnat National 2 in France? Come on now. That is a bit harsh. I agree that MLS is not on par with the big European leagues, but I think 2nd division level would be more appropriate. I do not have boys so I have no dog in the AU DA fight, but agree that the hatred seems a bit over the top. I suppose that if your kid is at UFA or CF DA maybe you want AU to do poorly because of rivalry but overall we ALL should be hoping for the best for Atlanta soccer. The better this market is viewed nationally, the better chance all of our kids have at making the most of their soccer dreams, be it professional, D1, D2, D3, NAIA levels. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 9:33:18 GMT -5
Which players has AU developed and promoted? Remedi, Barco, Hindman, Pity, Pereira, Pogba, Meram among others...just stating facts. They went out and bought these players. They didn't develop them.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Oct 13, 2019 9:46:22 GMT -5
lol. Really. We are 3/4 years into it. lol.
Who are the rising USL players? George B, A. Carlton G. Campbell... just pointing out facts.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Oct 13, 2019 9:53:17 GMT -5
The goal of the Academy is 2 Home Growns a year. Not to mention the 31 + D1 scholarships You might want to back your comments up by a little research. NCAA D1 mens soccer, here's some #ATLUTD homegrown-eligible players that will be taking part in this season.   |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 9:53:32 GMT -5
Carlton is your argument? Lol. Bello was developed before he got to AU. Ok...we will go with those examples. 4 years...nobody! Pretty poor results.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 9:54:48 GMT -5
See your college examples. Those players were well known pre AU...sorry not buying it.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 13, 2019 13:38:17 GMT -5
Just had a friendly yesterday with a really good AU team (our team is ECNL). As is their way, we played the team an age group younger than us. It was probably more beneficial for AU - basically a no-lose situation for them against good competition, while our guys were not really hyped up about the match. A couple of years ago they’d have been excited about just playing at the AU training ground and trying to prove something, but not so much any more - they would have rather played AU’s team at the same age group. That would have been better for us, of course, but AU is in the business of making their teams & players better. That’s just the way it is so I’m not faulting AU at all - playing us at the same age group would not have done much for developing their players and the optics of any result wouldn’t have been ideal for them. That said, it was fun to watch - there are a lot of great kids/players at AU!
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 14:02:04 GMT -5
Score?
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 13, 2019 14:02:05 GMT -5
Which players has AU developed and promoted? Remedi, Barco, Hindman, Pity, Pereira, Pogba, Meram among others...just stating facts. They went out and bought these players. They didn't develop them. Me thinks you have nothing concrete to add or rebuttal, so me thinks you return to the same argument, come at me bro |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 13, 2019 14:06:10 GMT -5
I would say you're the all knowing AU soccer Svengali, find out from your great resources who are feeding you the rubbish you're spewing. But to be fair I'll give you a clue, grand total in goals scored was 9  |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 14:21:46 GMT -5
No garbage given to me...all one has to do is look up rosters. Btw...go to many AU games. Glad AB has money to bring in the players. My point is their DA program has not contributed.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 13, 2019 14:29:40 GMT -5
No need to throw out the result - it was basically a scrimmage. AU does have great roster depth!
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 14:31:59 GMT -5
Ok. Not reporting score says it all.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 13, 2019 14:47:56 GMT -5
See your college examples. Those players were well known pre AU...sorry not buying it. So, just to argue a point...what did you expect? AU would have "discovered" some gems no one knew about and in 2-3 years turned a low level player into a superstar? How can you judge them on their college player production when none of the little kids have gotten old enough to play college! Also how is this any different than the multitude of CF, Tophat, UFA DA kids that came from other clubs and finished their last 1-2 years at the club and the club gets credit for their college placement...oh wait...it isn't. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 13, 2019 14:51:11 GMT -5
I just wish the generation adidas tournament would share more than just results from the games. Would be cool to see stats and rosters from these games as I know AU often brings other kids to these events.
Non-mls clubs should get Nike to sponsor their own next super premier platinum generation cup.
I admit - I do like hearing positive things about AUs academy on the forum - because unfortunately most of my interactions are with players that have left AU. I’m an old school guy though and Value the team more than the individual - I’d make a horrible academy Director apparently but I would never give up on my top 24 players of each age group. I know so many kids that were 2nd and 3rd team players at < u12, and now the kids are legit players. Are they US national team pool players - no, but the kids can play.
I would 100% ensure communication occurs between staff and the players and just because parents aren’t footing the bill it doesn’t mean that communication isn’t still necessary with the players.
This community is loaded with talent at every age group. The original poster probably was trolling a bit for sure but I’m not sold on the USL and it’s benefits for young players. I see many kids not even getting minutes at USL - Goslin is a good example.
The 05 AU team is probably that special group - everyone has been waiting for - but so much changes from 13 to 16 years of age on the boys side. Boys become young men. Kids will pop up all over this community and grow a foot and gain 45 lbs of muscle. Fitness levels drastically change and soccer IQ becomes a huge factor. I think that is really why for example the UFA 02 group is strong - not only quality players but very smart kids as well.
Right now if I reflect on the last 6-8 years of youth soccer -
The top classes are for sure that old ga united team that made a run with Carleton, Juan Pablo, Goslins etc among others
The group that won the National championship the first year with Atlanta United
And the Concorde and UFA 02s this year.
Then Mix in Gouchos national Championship team and KSA with Deedson.
Sorry for going off topic a bit...
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Post by rudy on Oct 13, 2019 15:22:55 GMT -5
02s in Georgia very talented. CF and UFA did very well at DA Nationals. UFA making Elite 8 and CF finalists. GSA ECNL also National Finalists. I'd say Georgia has done well this year.
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Post by Upper90 on Oct 13, 2019 17:29:30 GMT -5
See your college examples. Those players were well known pre AU...sorry not buying it. You are nothing but a contradiction of points. If a club is in the first four yrs of existence, *obviously* players would have some development prior to playing for the AU Academy. But that isn’t ‘good’ enough for you. You want them to develop players from jump. Not realistic or even to be expected. All you sound like is a hater & I wish @soccerhouse would just create a sub-forum & call it, “Want to complain about AU Academy? Post it here!” |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 17:46:29 GMT -5
Thanks for making my point. I simply said they haven't developed a player. This is no different than the other posters saying how great AU is at developing players in 4 years. Your time frame not mine...
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Post by Upper90 on Oct 13, 2019 17:49:05 GMT -5
No, I am definitely in NO way agreeing or making your baseless point valid. tenor.com/FaVI.gif |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 13, 2019 17:54:31 GMT -5
No, I am definitely in NO way agreeing or making your baseless point valid. tenor.com/FaVI.gifOkay that is funny right there, actually down right hilarious   |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 13, 2019 18:06:59 GMT -5
You made my point...so thank you! Think about it...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 13, 2019 20:09:18 GMT -5
You made my point...so thank you! Think about it... tenor.com/FaVI.gif Yup still funny a second time, oops I meant hilarious |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 13, 2019 22:38:48 GMT -5
Clubs don't develop players, players develop themselves. It's all about hard work and dedication. Some players may develop through osmosis and some take hundreds of hows of private training. But it always takes hard work in the end to prove oneself.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 14, 2019 18:25:08 GMT -5
Forum asks and they receive
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