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U S M N T
Oct 15, 2019 21:31:29 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 15, 2019 21:31:29 GMT -5
You
Have
Got
To
Be
Kidding
Me.
Embarrassing. Train wreck Disjointed Error prone Bad. Just very very bad.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 15, 2019 21:32:41 GMT -5
DA paying dividends...
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 15, 2019 22:22:37 GMT -5
Maybe our guys did better when they played high school and college soccer and were discovered through ODP? This team is no better than the one that lost to Trinidad and Tobago 2 years ago. We're so far behind Mexico and now even Canada.
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U S M N T
Oct 15, 2019 22:43:19 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Oct 15, 2019 22:43:19 GMT -5
Might as well disband the MNT and just let the MLS owners do what they want. Or go back and just make the MNT amateurs and not paid.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 16, 2019 5:49:13 GMT -5
Maybe our guys did better when they played high school and college soccer and were discovered through ODP? This team is no better than the one that lost to Trinidad and Tobago 2 years ago. We're so far behind Mexico and now even Canada. It's a good thing we are considered a host and automatically get an allocated spot in the 2026 WC
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Post by rifle on Oct 16, 2019 5:59:08 GMT -5
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Oct 16, 2019 6:00:32 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Oct 16, 2019 6:00:32 GMT -5
Maybe our guys did better when they played high school and college soccer and were discovered through ODP? This team is no better than the one that lost to Trinidad and Tobago 2 years ago. We're so far behind Mexico and now even Canada. It's a good thing we are considered a host and automatically get an allocated spot in the 2026 WC it’ll make the MLS owners richer. That’s what it’s all about, right?
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Oct 16, 2019 8:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by firedragon on Oct 16, 2019 8:46:05 GMT -5
Most Americans don’t even know what the USMNT is.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 16, 2019 9:16:27 GMT -5
I've heard it referred to as the US Men's "Nothing" Team 😁😁😁
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Oct 16, 2019 9:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by firedragon on Oct 16, 2019 9:45:17 GMT -5
I've heard it referred to as the US Men's "Nothing" Team 😁😁😁 You have to wonder if, in the years to come, some of our best young players will forego the national teams to focus on their MLS or other professional aspirations—because most Americans don’t care about international soccer unless it’s the World Cup
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 16, 2019 10:35:07 GMT -5
I've heard it referred to as the US Men's "Nothing" Team 😁😁😁 You have to wonder if, in the years to come, some of our best young players will forego the national teams to focus on their MLS or other professional aspirations—because most Americans don’t care about international soccer unless it’s the World Cup I can't speak to the Men's Noting Team, but in the youth Nat'l Team ranks, I know of at least 3 families that have decided not to accept the invitation to join the Nat'l Team camps. They pointed to the politics, lack of innovation, sub-par training and the time away from their club teams and in their mind the colossal waste of time and the preparation involved. One family who previously had an older kid called up to the Nat'l Team (8 years difference) chose not to accept for their younger kid because of the way their older one was treated. They didn't elaborate so not sure what the "treatment" was that turned them off. Shoot, look at how they handled Robinson, knowing that he plays a vital role for AU especially in the season of the playoffs...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 16, 2019 10:56:07 GMT -5
Get some of the best known winners/coaches ever to evaluate our current soccer system --- they would laugh at what a debacle it is from u9 to USMNT team.
Saban, Dabo, Belichick and Urban -- could you imagine their questions? Wait -- kids can't play other sports? No high school? College soccer is not a pathway? How many youth leagues are there? The top teams from the same city and in the same age group might not even play each other? Wait, they are spending how much to play 1 game? Time out, the brother of the current USMNT team head coach hired him? Wait, again, our professional league doesn't even align with the rest of the world? Slow down, our rookies make how much money? that's non-sense. Your saying I have less then 10 million bucks to create a professional mls roster, sorry thats not possible.
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 16, 2019 11:16:47 GMT -5
Get some of the best known winners/coaches ever to evaluate our current soccer system --- they would laugh at what a debacle it is from u9 to USMNT team. Saban, Dabo, Belichick and Urban -- could you imagine their questions? Wait -- kids can't play other sports? No high school? College soccer is not a pathway? How many youth leagues are there? The top teams from the same city and in the same age group might not even play each other? Wait, they are spending how much to play 1 game? Time out, the brother of the current USMNT team head coach hired him? Wait, again, our professional league doesn't even align with the rest of the world? Slow down, our rookies make how much money? that's non-sense. Your saying I have less then 10 million bucks to create a professional mls roster, sorry thats not possible. All good points, but me thinks slick urban shud not be in discussion
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Post by Keeper on Oct 16, 2019 11:46:26 GMT -5
Get some of the best known winners/coaches ever to evaluate our current soccer system --- they would laugh at what a debacle it is from u9 to USMNT team. Saban, Dabo, Belichick and Urban -- could you imagine their questions? Wait -- kids can't play other sports? No high school? College soccer is not a pathway? How many youth leagues are there? The top teams from the same city and in the same age group might not even play each other? Wait, they are spending how much to play 1 game? Time out, the brother of the current USMNT team head coach hired him? Wait, again, our professional league doesn't even align with the rest of the world? Slow down, our rookies make how much money? that's non-sense. Your saying I have less then 10 million bucks to create a professional mls roster, sorry thats not possible. All good points, but me thinks slick urban shud not be in discussion Yes let’s keep the wife beating cheater out of this.
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Post by beentheredonethat on Oct 16, 2019 12:25:22 GMT -5
The US has a major problem and it's now affecting the national team. I've seen it slowly evolve over the last 10 years and then it happened over night.
It can be summed up in one very short Twellman sentence...Overplaying is not a style.
I'm not sure how it happened (actually I do...its been pushed down from the federation since the inception of DA....I know I was involved for a long time) but every coach thinks if they're not teaching "possession-style, play-from-the-back-through-the-lines" every single time they have the ball then they are never gonna develop effective soccer players. Really?
If a team high presses your team and your response is to play through the lines every time then expect to get beat every time. What do they say about crazy.. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
How about teaching players to adapt, not be predictable robots. Teach them to recognize tendencies in opponents and adjust accordingly. Sometimes the best pass is a 50 yard pass (most coaches nowadays would cringe if one of their players attempted a David-Beckham-esque pass because, god-forbid, the player had their head up and recognized space, or a threat, or an imbalance somewhere on the field and tried to take advantage.
This country has gone backwards. We need to stop trying to be Spain, or Brazil or the next fad.
I'm sure all of Canada is laughing at us today saying the US did EXACTLY what we thought they were going to do. SMH
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Oct 17, 2019 5:40:17 GMT -5
Nothing surprises me anymore with USMNT, it is a systematic issue top to bottom. Dissapointing and concerning to say the least.
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Post by atv on Oct 17, 2019 5:42:13 GMT -5
The US has a major problem and it's now affecting the national team. I've seen it slowly evolve over the last 10 years and then it happened over night. It can be summed up in one very short Twellman sentence...Overplaying is not a style. I'm not sure how it happened (actually I do...its been pushed down from the federation since the inception of DA....I know I was involved for a long time) but every coach thinks if they're not teaching "possession-style, play-from-the-back-through-the-lines" every single time they have the ball then they are never gonna develop effective soccer players. Really? If a team high presses your team and your response is to play through the lines every time then expect to get beat every time. What do they say about crazy.. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. How about teaching players to adapt, not be predictable robots. Teach them to recognize tendencies in opponents and adjust accordingly. Sometimes the best pass is a 50 yard pass (most coaches nowadays would cringe if one of their players attempted a David-Beckham-esque pass because, god-forbid, the player had their head up and recognized space, or a threat, or an imbalance somewhere on the field and tried to take advantage. This country has gone backwards. We need to stop trying to be Spain, or Brazil or the next fad. I'm sure all of Canada is laughing at us today saying the US did EXACTLY what we thought they were going to do. SMH We need a voting button for “Hall of Fame Post”.
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Post by mistergrinch on Oct 17, 2019 7:57:40 GMT -5
Get some of the best known winners/coaches ever to evaluate our current soccer system --- they would laugh at what a debacle it is from u9 to USMNT team. Saban, Dabo, Belichick and Urban -- could you imagine their questions? Wait -- kids can't play other sports? No high school? College soccer is not a pathway? How many youth leagues are there? The top teams from the same city and in the same age group might not even play each other? Wait, they are spending how much to play 1 game? Time out, the brother of the current USMNT team head coach hired him? Wait, again, our professional league doesn't even align with the rest of the world? Slow down, our rookies make how much money? that's non-sense. Your saying I have less then 10 million bucks to create a professional mls roster, sorry thats not possible. All good points, but me thinks slick urban shud not be in discussion Why not? He'd just troll juvie for gang bangers and fill the team that way.
Saban, on the other hand, would just tell the coaches to ignore the fact that boosters are paying his kids.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2019 7:59:12 GMT -5
The US has a major problem and it's now affecting the national team. I've seen it slowly evolve over the last 10 years and then it happened over night. It can be summed up in one very short Twellman sentence...Overplaying is not a style. I'm not sure how it happened (actually I do...its been pushed down from the federation since the inception of DA....I know I was involved for a long time) but every coach thinks if they're not teaching "possession-style, play-from-the-back-through-the-lines" every single time they have the ball then they are never gonna develop effective soccer players. Really? If a team high presses your team and your response is to play through the lines every time then expect to get beat every time. What do they say about crazy.. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. How about teaching players to adapt, not be predictable robots. Teach them to recognize tendencies in opponents and adjust accordingly. Sometimes the best pass is a 50 yard pass (most coaches nowadays would cringe if one of their players attempted a David-Beckham-esque pass because, god-forbid, the player had their head up and recognized space, or a threat, or an imbalance somewhere on the field and tried to take advantage. This country has gone backwards. We need to stop trying to be Spain, or Brazil or the next fad. I'm sure all of Canada is laughing at us today saying the US did EXACTLY what we thought they were going to do. SMH We need a voting button for “Hall of Fame Post”. So true on every level!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 17, 2019 10:31:28 GMT -5
I don't get the insistence on always building from the back either. The best teams can score directly on breakaways/long balls, long direct shots from outside the 18, free kicks/set pieces and by building from the back/tiki-taka.
The opposite IMO is American college soccer where keepers seemingly always punts/kick goal kicks long.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2019 14:40:33 GMT -5
very interesting take --- it is interesting that we all expect us to be better, when the reality is we just aren't very good! crazy thing was when you watch the game, Canada isn't very good either!!
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 17, 2019 15:40:11 GMT -5
The USMNT may not be very good on the global scale, absolutely correct. We should be better in CONCACAF though. Its completely relative.
They should be good enough to beat Canada every time and Mexico about one out of every 3-4 times. No one in the US is saying we're at the caliber of Germany or Brazil or France or England, but we were a country that made the world cup coming from our weak CONCACAF 7 straight times. Is he trying to say that Costa Rica and Panama have better talent pools?
What we have is buffoonery at the highest levels of the USSF. This game should be a wakeup to everyone in the US federation that things are VERY, VERY WRONG with the current operation.
And frankly, a Scot doesn't get to lecture the US on what is good soccer.
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U S M N T
Oct 17, 2019 20:06:13 GMT -5
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 17, 2019 20:06:13 GMT -5
DA is the answer...said with sarcasm. I've been on here before making the claim that DA is not working. We are digressing in our soccer and I keep hearing DA praises. If it's the answer then the wrong players are being selected or the coaches are failing. In either instance, it's time to reevaluate or next time we lose to a country no one even has heard of.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 17, 2019 21:32:21 GMT -5
According to the other post about the U15 Boys YNT, 7 of the 20 players selected were from one team. How is that possible? All but 2 are DA players. All but 1 of the DA players are MLS academy DA players. This says what? USSF relies on others to do their scouting and they just select from there? Does that mean DA is working as far as they’re concerned? Is it lazy scouting? Is there no money for scouting? Or is it that truly over one third of the best 20 U15 soccer players in this entire country all play on the same team in suburban Dallas?
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Post by soccerguru on Oct 17, 2019 22:13:11 GMT -5
I'm laughing inside. Everyone, relies on everyone else to do their work. Top D1 College Coaches relies on the DA coaches to choose their players so they can choose from the DA teams, and the cycle will always continue. Present tryouts, the coaches all want to know where you played last year, if they hear DA/ ECNL their eyes widen and the cycle continues.
Take the same kids going to the YNT camps every year when we all know their are some serious ballers that never play DA / ECNL or never get noticed outside of the 404.
I remember when my son's coach at the time, who is the main YNT TC coach in Atlanta told him that the most talented Atlanta player at his age was a specific kid(who was talented, but not great) had the best skills he has ever seen, but in real world games, got dominated by many players when they played because of his lack of work rate, speed and size. When my son laughed at him and said "really", coach said he may be the best ever from Atlanta and it wasn't Bello or Carleton. The kid has always been DA and never sees the field except in mop up duty or an occasional start for only a half.
And then we remember, yes our guru coaches today, played college ball and some pro, likely for the silverbacks, which we can all smile and trust them to lead us into Glory.
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U S M N T
Oct 17, 2019 22:30:41 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2019 22:30:41 GMT -5
Wow
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 18, 2019 2:21:36 GMT -5
According to the other post about the U15 Boys YNT, 7 of the 20 players selected were from one team. How is that possible? All but 2 are DA players. All but 1 of the DA players are MLS academy DA players. This says what? USSF relies on others to do their scouting and they just select from there? Does that mean DA is working as far as they’re concerned? Is it lazy scouting? Is there no money for scouting? Or is it that truly over one third of the best 20 U15 soccer players in this entire country all play on the same team in suburban Dallas? I've always said that the US scouting network is either made up of lazy scouts, inept scouts, underpaid scouts or is just plain non-existent. Everywhere else in the world, you have an actual network of scouts that are identified, connected and trained to be the eyes and ears of a particular team(pro) or Nat'l Infrastructure. This is especially needed in a country the size of the US. I find it abhorrent that in a country of over 300+ inhabitants, we can't find 11 talented souls willing to give their all and be coached into doing better than what we're currently presenting as representatives for the country? Take the games this weekend between AU and CF. At these games, you'll see scouts because in their mind, these two teams have some of the best talent around (&%*#$@#). What about pick up games in non-suburban settings? What about immigrant communities for European, African, South American and Asian communities where soccer is taught before kids can even walk? I think we are at an existential crisis and something major and drastic has to occur to change things around. How and by whom is beyond my pay-grade, but let's not forget WC 2026 is now less than 7 years to go. In the world of soccer, that is not a long time away.
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Post by rifle on Oct 18, 2019 5:45:41 GMT -5
My ten year experience north of Atlanta with a city club was the large rec program had nobody from the “club” scouting and recruiting. But show up willing to pay “club” fees... and you’re in! Quantity > quality. DOC compensation partly based on paid member count. No curriculum. No club philosophy. Just random good intentions.. all pulling in different directions.
I can’t solve pay-to-play with a wave of the hand but I can see that our present Senior men’s program is an abject failure on the international level. And I absolutely believe the two things are connected.
I’d like to see US Soccer hire Bielsa. He will light a fire, at the same time introduce attacking and defending solutions while demanding excellence. He even has a couple years of speaking English.
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Oct 18, 2019 8:19:17 GMT -5
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Post by atv on Oct 18, 2019 8:19:17 GMT -5
Scouts (boys side) are instructed “what” events to attend and “who” specifically to scout at each event by US Soccer. Most often these kids are MLS DA players and at an MLS DA game. The current system works on the premise that club coaches will identify their best players and lobby an MLS DA team on behalf of the player. Some of these kids will end up on an MLS DA team. The kids of interest on the MLS DA Teams are then scouted.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 18, 2019 16:44:15 GMT -5
How's that DA system working? We have a 4th tier pro league and usmnt who can't beat Trinidad and Tobago or Canada...
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