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Post by hokesmyth on Oct 22, 2019 13:09:22 GMT -5
A Vermont high school soccer team was dealt automatic yellow cards on Friday for displaying t-shirts with a #equalpay slogan.
The Burlington Free Press reports that the Burlington High School girls soccer team celebrated a goal by pulling off their uniform tops to reveal white jerseys with the slogan on them, joining in the effort started by the U.S. Women’s National Soccer Team to call attention to the gender wage gap.
Referees issued yellow cards to four Burlington players, as required by rule for anyone removing a jersey during a game. Opposing South Burlington scored the equalizer two minutes after the penalties, and went on to win the game — but the stunt was no less effective. The crowd began chanting the slogan, and many of them were wearing #equalpay jerseys of their own, part of a fundraising campaign spearheaded by the soccer team. More than 500 jerseys were sold, including to Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy and his wife, Marcelle.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 22, 2019 15:02:59 GMT -5
They need to go take remedial math. The women on the USWNT make more % wise than the men do. The whole #equalpay thing is a little disingenuous in both the sports world and the business world but especially the sports world. The minute you can get viewership as high as the men for the same sport, then that is the minute you will get more sponsor money and get $ for $ equal pay.
Right now the men have more to argue about than the women, well really they don't cause they suck but on a equal pay thing they do.
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Post by forsythsd on Oct 22, 2019 15:03:47 GMT -5
I thought it was "equal pay for equal work". Top female athletes do not perform at the same level as top males. They don't run as fast, kick as hard, etc. If their lower level of performance is worth "equal pay", then how about second-tier men's pro teams? If pay isn't based on ability and performance, then shouldn't those guys also get the same pay as top-tier players?
I've no problem letting women try out for spots on the highest-paying team. If they make the team based on their ability, then absolutely they should get the same pay as other players on that team. But if they can't, well, then they aren't playing at the same level and therefore don't deserve the same pay.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 22, 2019 15:27:07 GMT -5
I thought it was "equal pay for equal work". Top female athletes do not perform at the same level as top males. They don't run as fast, kick as hard, etc. If their lower level of performance is worth "equal pay", then how about second-tier men's pro teams? If pay isn't based on ability and performance, then shouldn't those guys also get the same pay as top-tier players? I've no problem letting women try out for spots on the highest-paying team. If they make the team based on their ability, then absolutely they should get the same pay as other players on that team. But if they can't, well, then they aren't playing at the same level and therefore don't deserve the same pay. Let us not forget the fact that a U15 FC Dallas MLS DA boys team beat the USWNT not too long ago (2017). |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 22, 2019 15:57:00 GMT -5
Same arguments.
Lets wait til this goes to court and all the financials are laid bare.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 24, 2019 5:08:06 GMT -5
They need to go take remedial math. The women on the USWNT make more % wise than the men do. The whole #equalpay thing is a little disingenuous in both the sports world and the business world but especially the sports world. The minute you can get viewership as high as the men for the same sport, then that is the minute you will get more sponsor money and get $ for $ equal pay. Right now the men have more to argue about than the women, well really they don't cause they suck but on a equal pay thing they do. Do you mind elaborating on the underlined portion of your statement - The whole #equalpay thing is a little disingenuous in both the sports world and the business world...? Two accountants, one male, one female. Should they not get paid the same based on all factors (schooling, experience, etc.) being the same? Or is it because women think and count at a slower rate, and men have bigger "brains" so women should get less? Truly curious to know your thoughts... |
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Post by girlsoccer on Oct 24, 2019 6:28:28 GMT -5
Sounds like they got the yellow cards because they took of their jerseys, not because of the message for equal pay.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Oct 24, 2019 7:42:39 GMT -5
I thought it was "equal pay for equal work". Top female athletes do not perform at the same level as top males. They don't run as fast, kick as hard, etc. If their lower level of performance is worth "equal pay", then how about second-tier men's pro teams? If pay isn't based on ability and performance, then shouldn't those guys also get the same pay as top-tier players? I've no problem letting women try out for spots on the highest-paying team. If they make the team based on their ability, then absolutely they should get the same pay as other players on that team. But if they can't, well, then they aren't playing at the same level and therefore don't deserve the same pay. Ha ha. This is a troll for sure, but I'll bite. Equal pay for "equal work" or "equal performance"? If you treat professional soccer as a job, then showing up on time and working hard in training and games means that you deserve similar pay to the person next to you. Last I checked, pay was not based on your IQ or your time in the 50 yard dash... Also, at the National level there is only 1 team, and that is what this whole discussion is about. Since women cannot try out for the Men's National Team, your argument makes no sense... |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 24, 2019 7:51:49 GMT -5
They need to go take remedial math. The women on the USWNT make more % wise than the men do. The whole #equalpay thing is a little disingenuous in both the sports world and the business world but especially the sports world. The minute you can get viewership as high as the men for the same sport, then that is the minute you will get more sponsor money and get $ for $ equal pay. Right now the men have more to argue about than the women, well really they don't cause they suck but on a equal pay thing they do. Do you mind elaborating on the underlined portion of your statement - The whole #equalpay thing is a little disingenuous in both the sports world and the business world...? Two accountants, one male, one female. Should they not get paid the same based on all factors (schooling, experience, etc.) being the same? Or is it because women think and count at a slower rate, and men have bigger "brains" so women should get less? Truly curious to know your thoughts... The media narrative that women are not getting paid equal money in the business world for equal work and position is false. There are plenty or articles and studies that show that women are getting paid equal to even more than men do in similar positions and equal work. In the situation where the woman is not, it is where they voluntarily take off work to have kids and miss some of their career years and experience. If you think the corporate world should pay women when they take off from their career to have kids then you are crazy. The fact is that if women work the same position 99% of the time they are getting paid the same as the equal male counterpart if not more. Any statistic or figure that says otherwise is throwing in pregnant women who took leave from their jobs, or for other reasons which skews the numbers. Here are a few articles that make my point: www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#b2d47c325969www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-bader/equal-pay-day-20-pay-gap-myth |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 24, 2019 9:23:17 GMT -5
The hashtag should be #equalpayforequalrevenue. And the US women likely bring in more than the men in merchandise. The men more in TV and advertising. The problem is that the argument reeks of Marxism.
In the end, they need to renegotiate a better CBA rather than trying to win a battle in the court of public opinion.
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Post by atv on Oct 24, 2019 12:01:03 GMT -5
So here is where I’m at “what does equal pay mean”? The USWNT side keeps changing as more information comes out. The semantics of their statements keep changing to fit their agenda.
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 24, 2019 15:32:02 GMT -5
Do you mind elaborating on the underlined portion of your statement - The whole #equalpay thing is a little disingenuous in both the sports world and the business world...? Two accountants, one male, one female. Should they not get paid the same based on all factors (schooling, experience, etc.) being the same? Or is it because women think and count at a slower rate, and men have bigger "brains" so women should get less? Truly curious to know your thoughts... The media narrative that women are not getting paid equal money in the business world for equal work and position is false. There are plenty or articles and studies that show that women are getting paid equal to even more than men do in similar positions and equal work. In the situation where the woman is not, it is where they voluntarily take off work to have kids and miss some of their career years and experience. If you think the corporate world should pay women when they take off from their career to have kids then you are crazy. The fact is that if women work the same position 99% of the time they are getting paid the same as the equal male counterpart if not more. Any statistic or figure that says otherwise is throwing in pregnant women who took leave from their jobs, or for other reasons which skews the numbers. Here are a few articles that make my point: www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#b2d47c325969www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-bader/equal-pay-day-20-pay-gap-mythMe thinks motherhood is hardest job in the world and should be paid |
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Post by rudy on Oct 24, 2019 16:30:13 GMT -5
True about pay. Many positions have salary tables that say what pay is at each year of work. Gender is not a factor in determining salary.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 24, 2019 16:49:33 GMT -5
Yes, but there is a big difference between being store manager at Walmart vs being store manager at Tiffany's. Should they be paid the same because they're both store managers?
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