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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 24, 2019 12:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 24, 2019 12:23:49 GMT -5
Seems like that would be a downgrade for him.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 24, 2019 12:30:17 GMT -5
Seems like that would be a downgrade for him. I think Tab wanted to coach the senior men's team. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 24, 2019 14:13:27 GMT -5
Seems like that would be a downgrade for him. I think Tab wanted to coach the senior men's team. He stands a better chance leaving now and making his way back in, when the current experiment with the USMNT finally fails and the calls for a replacement get loud enough. My fear is it will come during the qualifications for Qatar 2022. This leads me to another question, I'd like to ask. If not Gregg Berhalter, who would you have chosen and/or who would you replace him with? Or do you think Gregg Berhalter is the right choice and he just needs to be given more time??? |
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 25, 2019 11:03:37 GMT -5
I think Tab wanted to coach the senior men's team. He stands a better chance leaving now and making his way back in, when the current experiment with the USMNT finally fails and the calls for a replacement get loud enough. My fear is it will come during the qualifications for Qatar 2022. This leads me to another question, I'd like to ask. If not Gregg Berhalter, who would you have chosen and/or who would you replace him with? Or do you think Gregg Berhalter is the right choice and he just needs to be given more time??? Tata would have been a better selection than Berhalter but no effort was made to get Tata. |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 25, 2019 19:00:50 GMT -5
He stands a better chance leaving now and making his way back in, when the current experiment with the USMNT finally fails and the calls for a replacement get loud enough. My fear is it will come during the qualifications for Qatar 2022. This leads me to another question, I'd like to ask. If not Gregg Berhalter, who would you have chosen and/or who would you replace him with? Or do you think Gregg Berhalter is the right choice and he just needs to be given more time??? Tata would have been a better selection than Berhalter but no effort was made to get Tata. Oh really? No effort at all? Just curious what’s your position with US Soccer that you have this inside information? |
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Oct 26, 2019 17:26:15 GMT -5
If not Gregg Berhalter, who would you have chosen and/or who would you replace him with? I wish I knew enough to list a huge pool of choices. But I don't... who else threw their hat into the ring? Does anyone have insight into whether Tata was approached or not? I am just hearing vague speculation... |
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Post by rifle on Oct 27, 2019 16:55:58 GMT -5
Apparently Julen Lopetegui was interested but not interviewed. But what’s he ever managed?
/s
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Oct 27, 2019 19:11:20 GMT -5
Apparently Julen Lopetegui was interested but not interviewed. But what’s he ever managed? /s Hmmm. He has great qualifications, but seems like he might have been too great of a shock to the system ? It seems like his national experience is at the youth level... but his win % averages 80%. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julen_Lopetegui#Managerial_statistics |
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 28, 2019 10:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 28, 2019 10:15:52 GMT -5
Just a random question. He spent 2 years in Atlanta and never took the time to learn any English?
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 28, 2019 10:20:13 GMT -5
Just a random question. He spent 2 years in Atlanta and never took the time to learn any English? Not enough to be fluent. Quotes from players were that he would communicate to dual language assistants or players who would relay the message of what he wanted. Whatever he spoke, it worked. Can't say the same for Berhalter. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 29, 2019 9:51:06 GMT -5
Might not be true -- but wouldn't doubt it
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 29, 2019 16:44:55 GMT -5
Might not be true -- but wouldn't doubt it That sounds stupid to me. Why would we train ALL of our teams on the same rigid style of play based on one coach who may or may not last a few years? |
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 29, 2019 17:45:18 GMT -5
Me thinks the USMNT and YNT is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by justwatching on Oct 30, 2019 7:56:24 GMT -5
But wouldn't it make sense for all the YNT's to play the same style as the senior NT? Assuming your player pool for the NT are the YNT players it seems counterproductive to play anything other than what you want them to play for the NT. Can't expect to be consistently successful if you throw in new players to a new system having never played that style.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 30, 2019 8:45:09 GMT -5
honestly at this point --
send it
bang it forward
crack some players in half
smash it
punt it every time
win ugly, just win and win a lot
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Post by atv on Oct 30, 2019 9:59:47 GMT -5
It’s great to have a uniform “style of play” and “identity” a team believes they can win with. However, (I’m sure everyone knows this) depending on who you’re facing or what they throw at you, the strategy may change a little. It is part of coaching, especially at the highest levels. Put form over function and the coach probably won’t have a job long. To be a consistent winner means you have to be able to win all kinds of different ways. Changing and continuously adapting is all part of staying on top.
Right now, the US is not on top and obviously cannot adapt to how other teams are playing them.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 30, 2019 10:27:37 GMT -5
But wouldn't it make sense for all the YNT's to play the same style as the senior NT? Assuming your player pool for the NT are the YNT players it seems counterproductive to play anything other than what you want them to play for the NT. Can't expect to be consistently successful if you throw in new players to a new system having never played that style. First of all, the YNT players for the most part won't make the full national team. There will be some that will obviously but given that the YNT players age out of that system faster than the full NT players do only a couple will be full National team players eventually. Probably only 1-2 players per year. Secondly, all YNT players and all senior national team players play for other organizations and play other styles of play. They all have club teams and different clubs have different styles of play and different coaches will institute a style of play when coaches change over (see FdB vs Tata for example). Some players will fit a style of play and some won't. Finally the amount of time that YNT players spend with the YNT vs time spent with their clubs is minimal so no, I don't think that it is necessary for them to play the same style of play to be successful. I think we should have some similarities between the style between YNT and senior NT but I don't think it has to be exactly the same. As a coach you not only need to adjust to the teams you are playing against, but also what works best for your players and team. |
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Post by justwatching on Oct 30, 2019 14:35:58 GMT -5
But wouldn't it make sense for all the YNT's to play the same style as the senior NT? Assuming your player pool for the NT are the YNT players it seems counterproductive to play anything other than what you want them to play for the NT. Can't expect to be consistently successful if you throw in new players to a new system having never played that style. First of all, the YNT players for the most part won't make the full national team. There will be some that will obviously but given that the YNT players age out of that system faster than the full NT players do only a couple will be full National team players eventually. Probably only 1-2 players per year. Secondly, all YNT players and all senior national team players play for other organizations and play other styles of play. They all have club teams and different clubs have different styles of play and different coaches will institute a style of play when coaches change over (see FdB vs Tata for example). Some players will fit a style of play and some won't. Finally the amount of time that YNT players spend with the YNT vs time spent with their clubs is minimal so no, I don't think that it is necessary for them to play the same style of play to be successful. I think we should have some similarities between the style between YNT and senior NT but I don't think it has to be exactly the same. As a coach you not only need to adjust to the teams you are playing against, but also what works best for your players and team. Whether the YNT players make the NT or not it shouldn't matter if the end result and entire purpose of YNTs are to develop players (even if 1 or 2 a year) to be on the NT. I believe it is a waste of time to play a different style than the NT at the YNT level or select players who do not fit that style of play. Should you be able to adjust based on opponents, absolutely, that is obvious. But the overarching system and style should be consistent from top to bottom. It takes many years for a team to master a system and with the NT and YNT duties being only a fraction of the time a player is playing in my opinion makes it even more critical for the playing style to be the same across the board. |
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Post by justwatching on Oct 30, 2019 14:44:38 GMT -5
Also, having the NT and YNT is very different than a club etc. These teams select the players it wants so the coach is capable to take the players which fit their style of play the best. No need to adjust to the players' ability on the team because the coach can select whoever he thinks is best suited for his style. Now if you tell the coach to pick the best 23 players available that's a different story then you go with a style of play that utilizes the skill-sets of those players.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 30, 2019 16:18:29 GMT -5
Also, having the NT and YNT is very different than a club etc. These teams select the players it wants so the coach is capable to take the players which fit their style of play the best. No need to adjust to the players' ability on the team because the coach can select whoever he thinks is best suited for his style. Now if you tell the coach to pick the best 23 players available that's a different story then you go with a style of play that utilizes the skill-sets of those players. I agree that the YNT is to develop players for the NT and that the coach can select those that fit his style. I agree that club is different than NT. However, since the longest tenure of a senior coach is 8 years (that was Bruce Arena) but the remainder have been 5 or fewer years and the YNT starts at age 15 and goes to 23 and Tab Ramos had been coaching the U20 team as head coach as long as the longest tenure of a senior national team coach I don't think you should force him to coach a different way than he is used to coaching. I agree with ATV that it should be similar but does not need to be rigidly reproduced. It will be a different coach by the time most of the U20's are ready for the senior team. The goal should be to develop a large, qualified player pool that can play many styles. Plus if it takes years for players at the national team level to learn a style of play it is either not the right style for them or the teacher is inadequate. One year maybe, but multiple years means they are picking the wrong players to start off. Berhalter is not some genius using some complicated system that dumbfounded the opposition. |
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