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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 28, 2019 17:19:08 GMT -5
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Post by 04gparent on Oct 28, 2019 22:22:51 GMT -5
Fully funded would be awesome for girls. Unlike the men, I don’t think many of any of the NWSL fully fund academy programs. I have said previously on the forum that if I was an underperforming DA or ECNL club I would fully fund to help recruit better players. Should be very interesting. |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 29, 2019 11:00:19 GMT -5
“ I’m also told that Atlanta United is aiming to have an NWSL team in 2021, but it’s waiting for more information on U.S. Soccer’s role in the league moving forward, which should come by the December board meeting of U.S. Soccer.”
U.S. Soccer shouldn’t have ANY role in the league!! Hell they shouldn’t even talk to the leagues except to discuss International Breaks. Leagues and National Programs need to be separate. One should be about making money and the other should be about developing, encouraging National pride and winning international level trophies.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 29, 2019 11:10:17 GMT -5
I think this is related to how USWNT players are paid their NWSL salary directly from the USSF rather than the NWSL club. If I had to guess, the USSF likley subsidizes NWSL also. Like everything else related to USSF, its all broken.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 29, 2019 11:57:11 GMT -5
I also have no idea how player allocation works with expansion teams -- all I know is NCFC is loaded
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Post by atv on Oct 29, 2019 11:57:12 GMT -5
NWSL has received significant funding of 18-million dollars from USSF over 5-6 years. I believe most of this was subsidizing player salaries. They are expected to take a lesser role in day-to-day operations but continue funding at some level. The level of funding would determine if financially viable.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 29, 2019 12:06:33 GMT -5
So much for the "build it and they will come" idea. If USSF is subsidizing some 3M a year...is it viable?
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Post by Keeper on Oct 29, 2019 13:02:25 GMT -5
So much for the "build it and they will come" idea. If USSF is subsidizing some 3M a year...is it viable? The issue I have is why does USSF have all this money?? Just another example of money being hoarded over by the cranky old boys club instead of spent in development and youth programs. The USSF and even all state organizations like Ga Soccer should have to spent every dollar they bring in before years end. The “warchest” they have is insane while programs are killing themselves to just get adequate field space to grow the sport with kids. |
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Post by 04gparent on Oct 29, 2019 14:52:24 GMT -5
So much for the "build it and they will come" idea. If USSF is subsidizing some 3M a year...is it viable? The issue I have is why does USSF have all this money?? Just another example of money being hoarded over by the cranky old boys club instead of spent in development and youth programs. The USSF and even all state organizations like Ga Soccer should have to spent every dollar they bring in before years end. The “warchest” they have is insane while programs are killing themselves to just get adequate field space to grow the sport with kids. On the womens side, there is a market that wants to watch the USWNT play, but the demand to watch local teams play is not all there. The only reason the NWSL is even alive right now is USSF, Canada Federation, and Mexican Federation all subsidize the league to have a place where their top players can play. The good thing is the demand is moving slightly. What Portland and NCFC is doing from a women's game and attendance is very exciting. What is more exciting is the large clubs in Europe are investing serious dollars into the Women's Game. I think long term the earning potential for women wanting to play will be oversees instead of in US. |
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Post by atv on Oct 29, 2019 16:39:12 GMT -5
So much for the "build it and they will come" idea. If USSF is subsidizing some 3M a year...is it viable? The issue I have is why does USSF have all this money?? Just another example of money being hoarded over by the cranky old boys club instead of spent in development and youth programs. The USSF and even all state organizations like Ga Soccer should have to spent every dollar they bring in before years end. The “warchest” they have is insane while programs are killing themselves to just get adequate field space to grow the sport with kids. The biggest chunk was supposedly from one event, the Copa America in 2017 produced about $150 mm in revenue. |
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 29, 2019 17:41:37 GMT -5
Me thinks this will take soccer parents of girls, to a whole new level of cray cray
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 1, 2019 13:24:08 GMT -5
pretty interesting spend per team on rosters:
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Post by 04gparent on Nov 1, 2019 13:48:28 GMT -5
pretty interesting spend per team on rosters: I think this article deserves its own thread. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 1, 2019 14:19:29 GMT -5
[quote .......
I think this article deserves its own thread. [/quote]
do it..
another interesting twitter nugget:
NWSL minimum/maximum salaries over its history:
2020 $20,000/$50,000
2019 $16,538/$46,200
2018 $15,750/$44,000
2017 $15,000/$41,700
2016 $7,200/$39,700
2015 $6,842/$37,800
2014 $6,600/$31,500
2013 $6,000/$30,000
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Post by atv on Nov 1, 2019 15:48:54 GMT -5
[quote ....... I think this article deserves its own thread. do it.. another interesting twitter nugget: NWSL minimum/maximum salaries over its history: 2020 $20,000/$50,000 2019 $16,538/$46,200 2018 $15,750/$44,000 2017 $15,000/$41,700 2016 $7,200/$39,700 2015 $6,842/$37,800 2014 $6,600/$31,500 2013 $6,000/$30,000[/quote] So options for the very top girl prospects ....(1) College - scholarship + higher future career earnings potential or (2) Pro - low to mediocre earnings and no long term guarantees. Path would still be club -> college-> pro unless there is BIG sponsorship money kicking in. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 1, 2019 20:11:26 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking another path is club ---> go play overseas. It seems European clubs might be pouring more money into the women's game than we are here in the US.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 2, 2019 19:15:48 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking another path is club ---> go play overseas. It seems European clubs might be pouring more money into the women's game than we are here in the US. England may have the top division in the EPL, but for women, you have to take your talents to France. Specifically clubs like Lyon and PSG. A PSG women’s team player’s monthly salary is about 10,000 euros, while Lyon’s Olympique Lyonnais, which has been grooming a women’s team since 2004 and has several international stars in its ranks, pays its players around 30,000 to 40,000 euros a month($33k - $44k). But on average, a female soccer player earns 2,500 euros a month in France. In the UK, a female soccer player earn on average about 27,000 pounds($34k) annually. My hope is that the NWSL can continue to grow in size, # of teams and of course revenue. That way we keep the best and brightest at home and invite some of the best in world to challenge and push our players. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 2, 2019 19:50:39 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking another path is club ---> go play overseas. It seems European clubs might be pouring more money into the women's game than we are here in the US. England may have the top division in the EPL, but for women, you have to take your talents to France. Specifically clubs like Lyon and PSG. A PSG women’s team player’s monthly salary is about 10,000 euros, while Lyon’s Olympique Lyonnais, which has been grooming a women’s team since 2004 and has several international stars in its ranks, pays its players around 30,000 to 40,000 euros a month($33k - $44k). But on average, a female soccer player earns 2,500 euros a month in France. In the UK, a female soccer player earn on average about 27,000 pounds($34k) annually. My hope is that the NWSL can continue to grow in size, # of teams and of course revenue. That way we keep the best and brightest at home and invite some of the best in world to challenge and push our players. I agree that we want the NWSL to succeed and to pay players well, but I also like the idea of some of our best to go overseas to play under different philosophies. I feel that our players that went to Europe in the last several years came back more well rounded. |
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Post by guest on Nov 4, 2019 11:44:06 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking another path is club ---> go play overseas. It seems European clubs might be pouring more money into the women's game than we are here in the US. while Lyon’s Olympique Lyonnais, which has been grooming a women’s team since 2004 and has several international stars in its ranks, pays its players around 30,000 to 40,000 euros a month($33k - $44k). To be clear, you are saying that Lyon pays its female pro players each on average a half a million $ a year? Or if you assume 20 rostered players, $10 mil for the team. If so this team pays more than the entire US female pro system by itself by an order of magnitude. Seems to prove the above point pretty nicely. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 4, 2019 12:15:39 GMT -5
Saw this the other day from Dayna Castellanos when asked about considering the nwsl.
from the article:
"Castellanos has 1.2 million followers on Instagram and a dedicated Spanish-speaking fanbase. From a marketing perspective, she’s easily the most important international player NWSL has ever had the chance to sign. She’s also an entertaining and productive forward who will make her team better and win over fans from day one.
Under current rules, Castellanos can only enter the league through the NWSL college draft, giving her no control over where she plays. In 2019, she would have also been paid on the lower end of the league salary range, with the previous minimum salary being $16,538. She had little incentive to consider NWSL under previous rules when she could earn a six-figure salary in Europe. Under new rules, a team could offer her a salary of up to $350,000.
Kerr and Castellanos present an immediate need for league action, and there will be more players like them in the future. As European clubs and federations increase their investment in the game, competition for star players will become fierce, and NWSL will have to keep pace. By the end of Europe’s January transfer window, we’ll know how successful owners were in their first attempt to fight for the world’s best international players."
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 4, 2019 18:17:12 GMT -5
while Lyon’s Olympique Lyonnais, which has been grooming a women’s team since 2004 and has several international stars in its ranks, pays its players around 30,000 to 40,000 euros a month($33k - $44k). To be clear, you are saying that Lyon pays its female pro players each on average a half a million $ a year? Or if you assume 20 rostered players, $10 mil for the team. If so this team pays more than the entire US female pro system by itself by an order of magnitude. Seems to prove the above point pretty nicely. While players like Amandine Henry make upwards of $10k/week, your calculations would be correct and my words misleading. I should have done a better job of saying that the numbers I quoted are for the entire team per month, not per player per month. Sorry for the confusion... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 4, 2019 18:53:33 GMT -5
And if a player like Deyna in the future can profit on her name, image and likeness while in school - she might have made more money at FSU then while in NWSL
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Post by rifle on Nov 5, 2019 6:34:17 GMT -5
Sounds like a terrific option for domestic club soccer players.. whose families can afford to support them.
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