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Post by soccermaxx72 on Oct 31, 2019 8:23:02 GMT -5
If your player is in a results oriented league: ECNL/DA/NL
Which type of coach do you prefer, although the correct answer is Probably somewhere in between.
The Joystick or the coach who sits on the bench with arms crossed and doesn’t engage players or refs during the game?
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Post by mistergrinch on Oct 31, 2019 9:19:15 GMT -5
I can't stand coaches that are disengaged.. you're there to coach, not watch. Go coach.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Oct 31, 2019 10:22:54 GMT -5
Definitely the in between. A coach can be engaged and actively coaching without being a joystick.
We have had coaches who are on the sidelines telling the players exactly where to go with the ball (so & so wants it, dribble down the side & cross, drop the ball to the keeper, etc.) and it is very annoying. IMO they are more teaching the kids to listen and take direction instead of look up and figure it out for themselves.
We have also had coaches that like to sit there and essentially watch until half, then coach, then be quiet in the second half again. This is also annoying because there are times the players need that voice to give some sort of instruction.
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Post by footyfan on Oct 31, 2019 11:05:03 GMT -5
If the two extremes, I'd much rather have a coach say nothing during a match than have a joystick coach. I say that hoping the coach later works with the kids in practice on what he saw they lacked during the match.
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Post by Keeper on Oct 31, 2019 11:08:17 GMT -5
Definitely a quiet coach over a joystick. Kids need to learn from their mistakes instead of being told constantly what to do. The game is the best teacher. This is only true as long as the coach coaches during halftime, postgame and training sessions.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 31, 2019 13:39:36 GMT -5
I think it depends on the age. For the youngest ages I would rather have a joystick coach otherwise it is disorganized and they bunch up and chase the ball and never pass or learn their position. The older they get the less involved the coach should be during games, but still needs to address issues at half time and make some recommendations to the subs when they are entering and tell the existing players what they did well and not, etc.
I guess that you specified results oriented leagues but I think this goes for everyone. U9 joystick. U10 a little less. Adding players at U11 you may have to joystick again for a while and then back off. U13 joystick for the first few games and then back off. By U19 you should say very little during the games.
Btw I would also mention that there is a difference between quiet coaches and disengaged coaches. If the coach is on the phone, watching the game behind them, chatting up another coach that is present, etc that is not acceptable at any age IMO. The best coach is the one who is in between the quiet and the joystick. Finally the game can be a teacher but you need another teacher too (the coach) because everyone interprets the game differently and you also do not always see all of the options on the field as a player and recall later what you should have done differently. Most kids can't remember individual moments that well unless they were humiliated or doing the humiliating.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 31, 2019 13:43:42 GMT -5
It is interesting though, I always bring it up -- but man, college basketball coaches are the definition of joy stick coaching, it literally is like playing a video game. yet -- hoops is still loaded with unscripted play and creativity. Sorry about my obsession with basketball...... wait, what about www.gabasketballforum.com |
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Post by guest on Nov 1, 2019 7:25:46 GMT -5
Also should point out the benefits of watching game film. We have film sessions for middle school gridiron football. Association football should have them too. I remember having one of those post game discussions with my daughter. Yes I try to follow the advice of substituting negative comments for the standard phrase “I love watching you play soccer”. But she eventually wised up and realized whenever I said it that meant there is ‘something else’. In this case it was she was not running to her mark fast enough and leaving too much space. She insisted that she had. So we ‘went to the film’ as they say. After watching, she actually said I was right and she didn’t realize how far off her mark she was.
Long story short, a good coach can be quiet during the game, point out things during subs and half, then go to the game film.
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