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Post by interestedspectator on Nov 6, 2019 8:25:10 GMT -5
Heard through the grapevine that they are expanding next year. One more maybe two divisions!!
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Post by Goalkeeper Dad on Nov 6, 2019 9:33:24 GMT -5
I hate to say it but I imagine they will continue to expand until GA Soccer us out if the picture. I think the Power 5 have it out for them
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Post by blu on Nov 6, 2019 9:34:02 GMT -5
I imagine they will continue to expand until GA Soccer us out if the picture. Agree |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 6, 2019 9:43:57 GMT -5
Don't know how it'll work or who will buy in without pro-rel.
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Post by girlsoccer on Nov 6, 2019 10:14:42 GMT -5
Anyone know if there are plans to involve the smaller clubs? Though I don’t think a NL team would be doing themselves any favors by moving to SCCL 3 or 4. They’d have to offer up spots in the higher divisions for that to work I’d think.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 6, 2019 11:55:53 GMT -5
Don't know how it'll work or who will buy in without pro-rel. I think the Big 6 now (AFU included) want all pro-rel to be club specific each year. Instead of promoting teams through a league official, the worse teams would just move to a lower division the next season within the club and the better team below them will take their spot. I don't like it, but that way the clubs get to control it a lot more which I think is what they want. There will be a lot of inter-club politics in the pro-rel though as far as main campus versus branch teams and who should get the better spot. That is the part I don't like about it because it isn't always settled on the field. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 6, 2019 13:41:55 GMT -5
I think the Big 6 now (AFU included) want all pro-rel to be club specific each year. Instead of promoting teams through a league official, the worse teams would just move to a lower division the next season within the club and the better team below them will take their spot. I don't like it, but that way the clubs get to control it a lot more which I think is what they want. There will be a lot of inter-club politics in the pro-rel though as far as main campus versus branch teams and who should get the better spot. That is the part I don't like about it because it isn't always settled on the field. Yeah, for club-based pro-rel to work I think they would need to declare a group of teams by location. They would need to somehow reconcile club-based league approach with promotion-relegation. Regardless, someone won't be happy. If a location were to be relegated, you'd likely see mass exodus of players from that location.
SCCL below Premier would be Athena C/D and likely classic II/III quality at this point.
The problem is when players don't move within the club OR new players don't come in and club's team at an age group becomes a perennial bottom-dwellers within a bracket year-to-year with no room for relegation. The clubs are perfectly happy to take the families money and let the team just rest at the bottom of the pool. There is literally ZERO incentive for a club to hire a better coach or have the DoC step in and try to improve a team.
A NL team or player wouldn't do themselves any favors by playing anything lower than SCCL-1. SCCL-P is definitely below NL caliber. Overal, on the girls' side, apart from individual top 2-3 teams in most brackets, I think most SCCL brackets are fairly weak. The usual suspects on the girls side, CF and NTH, are typically the better teams.
If I'm an Athena A/B or Classic I/II player at a club and only get offered the SCCL 3rd division team, I'm moving to another club.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 6, 2019 14:04:12 GMT -5
I think the Big 6 now (AFU included) want all pro-rel to be club specific each year. Instead of promoting teams through a league official, the worse teams would just move to a lower division the next season within the club and the better team below them will take their spot. I don't like it, but that way the clubs get to control it a lot more which I think is what they want. There will be a lot of inter-club politics in the pro-rel though as far as main campus versus branch teams and who should get the better spot. That is the part I don't like about it because it isn't always settled on the field. Yeah, for club-based pro-rel to work I think they would need to declare a group of teams by location. They would need to somehow reconcile club-based league approach with promotion-relegation. Regardless, someone won't be happy. If a location were to be relegated, you'd likely see mass exodus of players from that location.
SCCL below Premier would be Athena C/D and likely classic II/III quality at this point.
The problem is when players don't move within the club OR new players don't come in and club's team at an age group becomes a perennial bottom-dwellers within a bracket year-to-year with no room for relegation. The clubs are perfectly happy to take the families money and let the team just rest at the bottom of the pool. There is literally ZERO incentive for a club to hire a better coach or have the DoC step in and try to improve a team.
A NL team or player wouldn't do themselves any favors by playing anything lower than SCCL-1. SCCL-P is definitely below NL caliber. Overal, on the girls' side, apart from individual top 2-3 teams in most brackets, I think most SCCL brackets are fairly weak. The usual suspects on the girls side, CF and NTH, are typically the better teams.
If I'm an Athena A/B or Classic I/II player at a club and only get offered the SCCL 3rd division team, I'm moving to another club.
Maybe this move is to expand it and take on smaller clubs to finish off GA soccer. There will really be no place to go as an alternative if that is the case. Classic/Athena will not be able to continue if they invite other smaller clubs and they accept. As a parent with a kid in SCCL I like the fact that we play more games, that we play each team home and away, and I like the fact that there are tents, water coolers, and trainers on site. I like that the majority of the games are getting played on turf or moved to turf if rain is a threat. All of those things were better than Classic/Athena from my experience. What I don't like is there seems to be a very big lack of communication from the SCCL league and from higher ups at a lot of these clubs trickling down to the Coaches and Team Managers. Then sometimes different clubs are being told different things. For instance our club told us that SCCL rules were home teams wear light colored jerseys and away wear dark colored jerseys. That is completely opposite of GA Soccer Classic/Athena and most other leagues. Then teams my kid plays do the exact opposite come matchday and are told something different from their club officials. So communication is an issue. It also seems planning things like these crossover events were not well planned and just thrown together not realizing they needed to plan months and months ahead of time to secure enough fields an referees. Those are my only two complaints. The competition is pretty even across my kid's division except for 1 team that probably should be playing NPL or higher because they are blowing almost all teams out that they play. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 6, 2019 14:14:50 GMT -5
I agree, the organization within the clubs are good, as are the gameday rules.
I agree the organization from the league hasn't been great.
You are correct, SCCL rules state home is light and away is dark. I think those are the general US Club rules (and possibly USSF). But really its up to the visiting team.
There are only 2 teams I see blowing out competition in all of SCCL, that's NTH 07G SCCL-P and CFC 03G SCCL-P. Both have about a +5 GD per game. Other than that, the best teams have less than a +3 GD per game.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 6, 2019 14:56:34 GMT -5
I agree, the organization within the clubs are good, as are the gameday rules. I agree the organization from the league hasn't been great. You are correct, SCCL rules state home is light and away is dark. I think those are the general US Club rules (and possibly USSF). But really its up to the visiting team. There are only 2 teams I see blowing out competition in all of SCCL, that's NTH 07G SCCL-P and CFC 03G SCCL-P. Both have about a +5 GD per hame. Other than that, the best teams have less than a +3 GD per game. I'm looking on the boys side not girls. I haven't looked on the girls side. I know that in my son's division there is one UFA Norcross team beating most teams by 5+ goals or more with the other teams maybe getting lucky occasionally and scoring 1 against them but usually its a clean sheet. From what I've been told the UFA Forsyth team in SCCCL-1 is better than this team though, so I don't think they really have a place to move up to. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 6, 2019 17:10:10 GMT -5
I think no matter what SCCL will always have 1 team per club in each division. So, if there is some sort of Pro/Rel, you will not see 2+ teams from a single club in the same division.
I am curious to see if AFU is granted access to the top division or if their second team will always be SCCL-P.
IMO the West division of SCCL-P needs another team so it has the same number as the top division of SCCL. This way they play the same number of games each season. Of course if they actually play a crossover event that can solve the issue.
For SCCL-1 I would like to see another South Carolina team added so the trip there is similar to what happens when we travel to Birmingham. It could even be a club closer to Charlotte or even a little farther south towards Columbia.
Lastly, I have no issue with them adding some of the smaller clubs. Maybe even add them as a separate division of SCCL-1 similar to how they have East & west in Premier. Then schedule crossover events so the 2 divisions can play one another.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 6, 2019 17:38:45 GMT -5
So, the more I think about potential expansion of SCCL, here is what I would like to see them do with the top Division:
SCCL-1 East:
GSA
NTH
UFA
CESA
Roswell
IAFC
Another Carolina Club somewhat close to CESA
SCCL-1 West:
BUSA
VHSC
SSA
CFC
AFU
Impact
Ambush
Add a crossover weekend of 2 games per team and you maintain the 14 game schedule per season. The Roswell, Ambush, Impact, IAFC & Carolina club ideas are just off the top of my head.
Also, for clubs with teams going into SCCL-1 & SCCL-P, I wish the league would require them to play an official game, or even best of 3, with the winner getting the higher league. Don't just automatically allow the club to award it based on location, make the team prove they deserve the higher league.
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