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Post by Keeper on Nov 12, 2019 14:22:29 GMT -5
Is anyone practicing tonight???
I get some less then desirable fields are probably still a little wet but most should be okay with the sun out. But why on earth would clubs be canceling because of a little above freezing temps?!?
Throw some sweat pants and a hoodie on your kid and let them go play like nearly every other normal state.
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Post by TheMadOx on Nov 12, 2019 14:24:53 GMT -5
Our club closed up shop tonight...probably will be miserable!
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 12, 2019 14:41:24 GMT -5
I know LSA and UFA have already canceled.. I suspect more.
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Post by fanatic21 on Nov 12, 2019 14:58:04 GMT -5
Actual temp is not that bad, but feels like with windchill is down in the mid/low 20s. I won't complain if my kids practices are cancelled.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 12, 2019 15:45:17 GMT -5
To my knowledge GSA & AFU fields are closed. Not sure about the turf fields AFU uses at Pinecrest.
I am thinking cancelled practices are more due to wet fields than cold temps. At this point in the season clubs need to be extra careful because if the grass gets torn up it isn't growing back for about 4-5 months.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Nov 12, 2019 16:13:35 GMT -5
Just checked and it looks like the 5 stripes don't stop. Practices are still a go. Matter of fact, a mom just told me they were reminded to dress warm for practice tonite... 🥶❄🥶
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 11:34:59 GMT -5
AFU, gsa, Ufa, and Inter Atlanta canceled all their turf practices. Only club I heard that practiced was Roswell Santos. I walked our fields which are probably 7/10 yesterday and were good to go so I was annoyed that we canceled due to cooler temps. Are we not canceling games in the coming weeks due to temps in the 30°s??? We gotta stop babying these kids so damn much. This isn’t Nebraska where it’s actually cold this is Georgia home of two seasons, hot as hell and summer.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 13, 2019 12:01:47 GMT -5
I think it was likely the wet fields and cooler temps. Our team practiced in the cold rain a couple weeks ago and mine got a cold a day later, so not going to do that again as it affects game-day performance significantly.
AFAIK practice is on tonight.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 13, 2019 12:18:49 GMT -5
I take it as - there is nothing wrong with a night off of training. Let the kids catch up on homework, sit down and eat dinner with family. It's kind of nice as a parent having the night off......
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 12:30:32 GMT -5
I take it as - there is nothing wrong with a night off of training. Let the kids catch up on homework, sit down and eat dinner with family. It's kind of nice as a parent having the night off...... Which makes sense for the 20% going 3-4 nights a week but for the 80% of us that only get two nights of training a week that’s just not acceptable. |
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Post by Respect on Nov 13, 2019 12:31:47 GMT -5
Is anyone practicing tonight??? I get some less then desirable fields are probably still a little wet but most should be okay with the sun out. But why on earth would clubs be canceling because of a little above freezing temps?!? Throw some sweat pants and a hoodie on your kid and let them go play like nearly every other normal state. US Soccer, as part of their Recognize to Recover program, has Cold Weather Guidelines (as well as Heat Guidelines). The guidelines are based on the Wind Chill Temperature Index (WCT) which is based on the wind speed and the temperature. Yesterday, at 6PM, the WCT Index was -14 F in Atlanta. This is in the Red Level range (High Risk for Cold Related Illness). Recommendation for Red Level is to modify activity to limit exposure and to allow for more frequent chances to rewarm. Not sure area clubs have the kind of training facilities to accommodate this recommendation (except perhaps Atlanta United). As someone mentioned in these posts, a player from Minnesota will have a much different threshold for cold than a player from Georgia and the "cold stress" the player can suffer varies. In any case, the effects of cold weather can impact health and safety ranging from common cold to frostbite to hypothermia. My child once trained in the cold rain for about 5 hours (in the NE USA area). She missed the next four days of school with flu-like symptoms. In general, I'd prefer if they work through a video review session, especially for the high-level teams or indoor training. |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 12:32:23 GMT -5
I think it was likely the wet fields and cooler temps. Our team practiced in the cold rain a couple weeks ago and mine got a cold a day later, so not going to do that again as it affects game-day performance significantly. AFAIK practice is on tonight. You do realize people don’t get colds from cold weather so your kid would have gotten sick either way right? Viruses causes colds and flus, not the weather. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 13, 2019 12:40:22 GMT -5
Weather doesn't cause colds, but being wet and cold adversely affects your body's immune response.
Also, mine is more prone to catch URI's, so not putting her in conditions that increase the probability that her body won't be as able to fight them off is a generally good rule of thumb for me. Especially when there's nothing on the line and a couple days after the virus takes hold you have games and she cannot concentrate or run at peak speed or have the energy to even try.
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Post by girlsoccer on Nov 13, 2019 12:44:31 GMT -5
My u14 and my u 18 both practiced last night. We just layered them up and they were fine. Both said they were not cold.
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Post by Respect on Nov 13, 2019 12:49:04 GMT -5
I think it was likely the wet fields and cooler temps. Our team practiced in the cold rain a couple weeks ago and mine got a cold a day later, so not going to do that again as it affects game-day performance significantly. AFAIK practice is on tonight. You do realize people don’t get colds from cold weather so your kid would have gotten sick either way right? Viruses causes colds and flus, not the weather. you are correct. however weather does have an impact; am not a doctor or researcher but i understand that cold, flu viruses survive and spread more easily in cold weather (also in dry air). Also, extreme cold weather may also reduce the players' immune system efficient response to these viruses. |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 12:51:16 GMT -5
Is anyone practicing tonight??? I get some less then desirable fields are probably still a little wet but most should be okay with the sun out. But why on earth would clubs be canceling because of a little above freezing temps?!? Throw some sweat pants and a hoodie on your kid and let them go play like nearly every other normal state. US Soccer, as part of their Recognize to Recover program, has Cold Weather Guidelines (as well as Heat Guidelines). The guidelines are based on the Wind Chill Temperature Index (WCT) which is based on the wind speed and the temperature. Yesterday, at 6PM, the WCT Index was -14 F in Atlanta. This is in the Red Level range (High Risk for Cold Related Illness). Recommendation for Red Level is to modify activity to limit exposure and to allow for more frequent chances to rewarm. Not sure area clubs have the kind of training facilities to accommodate this recommendation (except perhaps Atlanta United). As someone mentioned in these posts, a player from Minnesota will have a much different threshold for cold than a player from Georgia and the "cold stress" the player can suffer varies. In any case, the effects of cold weather can impact health and safety ranging from common cold to frostbite to hypothermia. My child once trained in the cold rain for about 5 hours (in the NE USA area). She missed the next four days of school with flu-like symptoms. In general, I'd prefer if they work through a video review session, especially for the high-level teams or indoor training. Per the NWS the wind chill was +15° last night before 9:00pm. Normal temp to have outdoor activities as they’ll be games played at those temps in the coming weeks. And as stated before, Cold rain dues not make you sick. Viruses do. So your kid got sick from something other then the training or you babied them into believing they were sick. |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 12:56:17 GMT -5
You do realize people don’t get colds from cold weather so your kid would have gotten sick either way right? Viruses causes colds and flus, not the weather. you are correct. however weather does have an impact; am not a doctor or researcher but i understand that cold, flu viruses survive and spread more easily in cold weather (also in dry air). Also, extreme cold weather may also reduce the players' immune system efficient response to these viruses. Agree extreme cold weather can also reduce an immune system so when we get to extreme temps and weather I would say stay indoors. Temps in the 30°s are pretty normal, wind chill above zero also very normal. Though kids need to be thrown into situations like that more so they can build immune systems instead of all this anti bacterial / flu shot nonsense that’s making kids sicker in the long run. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 13, 2019 13:00:34 GMT -5
Soccer forum is getting deep! -- discussing the hygiene hypothesis. Love it!
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Post by girlsoccer on Nov 13, 2019 13:03:22 GMT -5
you are correct. however weather does have an impact; am not a doctor or researcher but i understand that cold, flu viruses survive and spread more easily in cold weather (also in dry air). Also, extreme cold weather may also reduce the players' immune system efficient response to these viruses. Agree extreme cold weather can also reduce an immune system so when we get to extreme temps and weather I would say stay indoors. Temps in the 30°s are pretty normal, wind chill above zero also very normal. Though kids need to be thrown into situations like that more so they can build immune systems instead of all this anti bacterial / flu shot nonsense that’s making kids sicker in the long run. Aw man. I agreed with you until you implied flu shots make people sick. That is not true, but I agree with you that with appropriate layering practice last night was fine. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 13, 2019 13:03:55 GMT -5
you are correct. however weather does have an impact; am not a doctor or researcher but i understand that cold, flu viruses survive and spread more easily in cold weather (also in dry air). Also, extreme cold weather may also reduce the players' immune system efficient response to these viruses. Agree extreme cold weather can also reduce an immune system so when we get to extreme temps and weather I would say stay indoors. Temps in the 30°s are pretty normal, wind chill above zero also very normal. Though kids need to be thrown into situations like that more so they can build immune systems instead of all this anti bacterial / flu shot nonsense that’s making kids sicker in the long run. we should bring back polio, too.. no more of these wussy kids shirking their turn in the iron lung. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 13, 2019 13:04:46 GMT -5
Agree extreme cold weather can also reduce an immune system so when we get to extreme temps and weather I would say stay indoors. Temps in the 30°s are pretty normal, wind chill above zero also very normal. Though kids need to be thrown into situations like that more so they can build immune systems instead of all this anti bacterial / flu shot nonsense that’s making kids sicker in the long run. Aw man. I agreed with you until you implied flu shots make people sick. That is not true, but I agree with you that with appropriate layering practice last night was fine. I'm sure he's done his research on facebook homeschool moms groups. They know the TRUTH. |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 13:06:56 GMT -5
Agree extreme cold weather can also reduce an immune system so when we get to extreme temps and weather I would say stay indoors. Temps in the 30°s are pretty normal, wind chill above zero also very normal. Though kids need to be thrown into situations like that more so they can build immune systems instead of all this anti bacterial / flu shot nonsense that’s making kids sicker in the long run. Aw man. I agreed with you until you implied flu shots make people sick. That is not true, but I agree with you that with appropriate layering practice last night was fine. Didn’t say they make you sick, though ive had two and only time I’ve gotten the flu in the last 20 years. But they do hurt your immune system as your body doesn’t build up a tolerance. Like antibacterial soap, it works but what happens when the bacteria build up their tolerance and become immune to “anti-bacterial” |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -5
Aw man. I agreed with you until you implied flu shots make people sick. That is not true, but I agree with you that with appropriate layering practice last night was fine. I'm sure he's done his research on facebook homeschool moms groups. They know the TRUTH. Nope, Try Medical school in one of Ga’s “fine” educational institutions. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 13, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -5
Aw man. I agreed with you until you implied flu shots make people sick. That is not true, but I agree with you that with appropriate layering practice last night was fine. Didn’t say they make you sick, though ive had two and only time I’ve gotten the flu in the last 20 years. But they do hurt your immune system as your body doesn’t build up a tolerance. Like antibacterial soap, it works but what happens when the bacteria build up their tolerance and become immune to “anti-bacterial” |
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Post by Keeper on Nov 13, 2019 13:11:08 GMT -5
Didn’t say they make you sick, though ive had two and only time I’ve gotten the flu in the last 20 years. But they do hurt your immune system as your body doesn’t build up a tolerance. Like antibacterial soap, it works but what happens when the bacteria build up their tolerance and become immune to “anti-bacterial” Aww sorry you’re only educated in Adam Sandler movies. It’s okay you’ll be fine. |
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Post by Respect on Nov 13, 2019 14:07:27 GMT -5
US Soccer, as part of their Recognize to Recover program, has Cold Weather Guidelines (as well as Heat Guidelines). The guidelines are based on the Wind Chill Temperature Index (WCT) which is based on the wind speed and the temperature. Yesterday, at 6PM, the WCT Index was -14 F in Atlanta. This is in the Red Level range (High Risk for Cold Related Illness). Recommendation for Red Level is to modify activity to limit exposure and to allow for more frequent chances to rewarm. Not sure area clubs have the kind of training facilities to accommodate this recommendation (except perhaps Atlanta United). As someone mentioned in these posts, a player from Minnesota will have a much different threshold for cold than a player from Georgia and the "cold stress" the player can suffer varies. In any case, the effects of cold weather can impact health and safety ranging from common cold to frostbite to hypothermia. My child once trained in the cold rain for about 5 hours (in the NE USA area). She missed the next four days of school with flu-like symptoms. In general, I'd prefer if they work through a video review session, especially for the high-level teams or indoor training. Per the NWS the wind chill was +15° last night before 9:00pm. Normal temp to have outdoor activities as they’ll be games played at those temps in the coming weeks. And as stated before, Cold rain dues not make you sick. Viruses do. So your kid got sick from something other then the training or you babied them into believing they were sick. Correction, I meant +14F. This is still Red Level. 0 and below is Black Level. Looking back, I wished I had babied my child and not let her train. The ball didn’t even roll on the turf field with the amount of water that was falling. I still have a lot to learn on how to raise a smart, wise, and strong-willed child who can see beyond the trees. |
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Post by girlsoccer on Nov 13, 2019 14:12:48 GMT -5
I'm sure he's done his research on facebook homeschool moms groups. They know the TRUTH. Nope, Try Medical school in one of Ga’s “fine” educational institutions. Hmm. I think I call BS on the medical school claim. If you had been to medical school you would understand how your immediate previous comment about the immune system’s response to the flu vaccine doesn’t make sense. Though you are correct about cold weather not giving anyone a cold. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Nov 13, 2019 15:24:26 GMT -5
Yes, rhinovirus and syncytial causes/are the "cold", hopefully most of us know that. Also, if you lower your immune system with stress you are reducing your body's ability to fight off said viruses.
Regardless, I'd rather if there's a possibility that if my kid is fighting a virus with no symptoms that she be exposed to those conditions in a game than a practice with a game coming up (which is what happened a couple weeks ago). She still snagged a goal but wasn't at full speed (and thankfully no game on Sunday which was the worst of the cold). Much like I wouldn't want her to get a flu or tetanus shot a couple days before a game.
My kid's had 6-7 colds in the past year (most often setting in on day 2-3 of a tournament or showcase), so I have enough experiential evidence on her immune system's response to physical exertion and particularly adverse weather conditions.
Regarding the flu shot, I understand his point, regarding the long-term effects, its a survival of the fittest mentality. Humans adapt to stressors and evolve to beat them. Also, bacteria and viruses do as well. Lastly, I've heard more than enough anecdotal cases of people getting a flu shot and experiencing flu symptoms a day or two thereafter. That said, I got one a couple weeks ago, I get one about every other year. However, the main people who need them are the most at-risk for severe affects (very old, very young and those with compromised immune systems).
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Post by mistergrinch on Nov 13, 2019 15:35:08 GMT -5
Nope, Try Medical school in one of Ga’s “fine” educational institutions. Hmm. I think I call BS on the medical school claim. If you had been to medical school you would understand how your immediate previous comment about the immune system’s response to the flu vaccine doesn’t make sense. Though you are correct about cold weather not giving anyone a cold. What? You mean claiming that the body doesn't build up immunity due to vaccines... which are explicitly designed to (wait for it).. build up immunity?
Then again - I've met some doctors with the common sense of a soccer ball.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 13, 2019 20:12:08 GMT -5
I'm sure he's done his research on facebook homeschool moms groups. They know the TRUTH. Nope, Try Medical school in one of Ga’s “fine” educational institutions. Are you a practicing physician in pediatrics, family medicine, internal medicine or immunology? How old are you? Your explanation is a bit suspect. Either you forgot the details of the material (pretty normal for docs who don't practice primary care and don't care to keep up with material that affects their and their family 's health) or you misunderstood something in microbiology and pharmacology classes. Also 99% of physicians I know would know better than to use anecdotal evidence of getting sick only twice with the flu after the only two times they got the vaccine. Were those years the vaccine was less effective? Or maybe the years the flu was more wide spread? The flu virus mutates every single year (often multiple times per year) which is why there is a new vaccine annually. The immune system cannot be built up against a virus to which it has no exposure. Not getting the flu vaccine does not give you a better immune system. There is no relationship between those two independent acts. The virus does not mutate because of the vaccine either. Vaccines are there to prevent infection, not treat the infection. The viruses can mutate upon exposure to antivirals like Tamiflu. Eventually we may see some of that. Now...you ARE correct about antibacterial soap. Bacteria DO mutate to form resistance against the soap just as they do against antibiotics. That is due to the methods by which antibacterial soap and antibiotics try to kill the bacteria. Now I hope everyone enjoyed the microbiology lesson!😜 As an aside the cold temperatures for smaller children who are not well dressed can lead to frostnip and frostbite particularly when combined with being wet. Personally I was surprised that the clubs canceled at turf locations but there may have still been wet areas that they were afraid would ice over and be dangerous for slipping and falling. I know that on the grassy areas near me there was still standing water that turned to ice. |
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