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Post by hateallthesechanges on Dec 3, 2019 8:30:43 GMT -5
There are a lot of week long soccer events going on right in the middle of high school EOCs and Finals. That's a lot of local kids missing school. Especially for kids on a block schedule, that is A LOT of crucial class time missed. Seems there could be better times for these events. Not to mention, the college and US scouts will be spread pretty thin driving all over Florida to watch.
Winter DA Cup 12/4-12/14
ICC Futures 12/10-12/16
Super Y Nationals 12/13-12/17
ECNL Greer 12/6-12/8 (play on Friday)
Curious if any of you with kids on high level teams with opportunities like these simply opt out and refuse to miss school?
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Post by weekendwarrior03 on Dec 3, 2019 8:47:45 GMT -5
Dec 5-8 National League for girls in Greenville NC
Wednesday travel with games starting on Thursday morning. 3 days of school missed right before exam week. They preach to us how important grades and school are for the student athlete yet they schedule this.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 3, 2019 8:48:02 GMT -5
You bring up a very good question with a lot of associated issues. Sadly, when tournament/showcase directors schedule events on sacred days and weekends like "Mother's Day" and "Valentine's Day" I'm guessing they really don't care about something so trivial as school 😁 At places like AU, you are given the year-long schedule and you as a family have to then make a collective decision that works for you and your child as to whether to go or skip out. We have a family friend on the U15s. In the next week, they are going to IMG to play 3-4 other MLS teams in a faux MLS only showcase. She is not letting her kid go(who is a starter btw) because he does have finals this week and can't miss them. She also referenced others on the team who participate in alternate schools like the Rivers school who only meet twice a week and of course the online options. AU also has a player liaison who works with schools to resolve issues like test & exam retakes. She also figures out how to make the school "whole" for all the missed days when tourneys, games and showcases take the lads out of school...
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 3, 2019 10:15:00 GMT -5
I think there is a BIG difference between missing a Friday to go to an event or even a Thursday Friday or Friday Monday and missing A WHOLE WEEK of school!!! I agree that timing wise it is CRAZY to miss an entire week of school right before final exams for high schoolers. For the 8th graders (and younger) it doesn't bother me as much. I am totally ok with missing 1-2 days but not ok with missing a week. That being said, for those planning to go to play in college they WILL miss classes to play their sport.
I think that the winter showcase should have been done this week if they were going to miss the whole week, but I just don't understand why they had to do it this way anyway. Do Thursday through Sunday. Even with that format you can make sure they have no more than one game per day.
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Post by atlsoccer on Dec 3, 2019 13:16:47 GMT -5
I think there is a BIG difference between missing a Friday to go to an event or even a Thursday Friday or Friday Monday and missing A WHOLE WEEK of school!!! I agree that timing wise it is CRAZY to miss an entire week of school right before final exams for high schoolers. For the 8th graders (and younger) it doesn't bother me as much. I am totally ok with missing 1-2 days but not ok with missing a week. That being said, for those planning to go to play in college they WILL miss classes to play their sport. I think that the winter showcase should have been done this week if they were going to miss the whole week, but I just don't understand why they had to do it this way anyway. Do Thursday through Sunday. Even with that format you can make sure they have no more than one game per day. It may have been different in years past, but I believe Thanksgiving week is a NCAA dead period, which means there can not be a showcase. |
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Post by soccermonster on Dec 3, 2019 14:45:52 GMT -5
I'm so glad someone brought this up. My player has exhausted all her approved absences for the school year (including next week's showcase) and we still have a few more days of soccer in 2020. How do you all deal with additional absences? I feel like the clubs don't take their education into consideration when scheduling these events for the teams because if they did, they would know that the various counties only allow a certain amount of excused absences for these types of events. This is the first year where this has happened since playing club soccer and it does put a certain amount of stress on the kids and the family. It's no wonder some kids go the home school route.  |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 3, 2019 19:29:52 GMT -5
Players also shouldn’t fear missing a training session due to school commitments etc - no kid should be punished for mandatory after school activities.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 3, 2019 19:39:37 GMT -5
I think there is a BIG difference between missing a Friday to go to an event or even a Thursday Friday or Friday Monday and missing A WHOLE WEEK of school!!! I agree that timing wise it is CRAZY to miss an entire week of school right before final exams for high schoolers. For the 8th graders (and younger) it doesn't bother me as much. I am totally ok with missing 1-2 days but not ok with missing a week. That being said, for those planning to go to play in college they WILL miss classes to play their sport. I think that the winter showcase should have been done this week if they were going to miss the whole week, but I just don't understand why they had to do it this way anyway. Do Thursday through Sunday. Even with that format you can make sure they have no more than one game per day. It may have been different in years past, but I believe Thanksgiving week is a NCAA dead period, which means there can not be a showcase. This week is the dead period or Thanksgiving week? Disney soccer showcase used to be the week of Thanksgiving for girls and there were plenty of coaches there in years past. I was talking about this week though...like December 2-7. Regardless I don't think that they need to have games on Monday and Tuesday or even Wednesday. The U15 age group has games Monday, Tuesday (or Wednesday) and Thursday. Why?!? You have freshmen taking their first finals that actually count for college and they are missing an entire week beforehand! That is nuts! |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Dec 3, 2019 20:55:46 GMT -5
Players also shouldn’t fear missing a training session due to school commitments etc - no kid should be punished for mandatory after school activities. For me I see this as a double edge sword. I have an issue with kids missing school to travel to a soccer tournament. I also have an issue with missing practice for an after school related event. IMO school takes place during the day Monday - Friday, and soccer (and other activities) should take place in the evening Monday - Friday as well as on weekends. If/when we are faced with those travel decisions, I'm not sure what we will decide. So far we have not had to worry about it. Just my .02 cents. |
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Post by Keeper on Dec 3, 2019 22:09:03 GMT -5
Haven’t you all learned from football, the NCAA, AAU basketball and hell even GHSA. This is ‘Merica, education doesn’t matter, only sports and winning.
Education will always be, hell this is GA so the education is bottom third anyway so there’s always time to make it up. You can only do sports, especially youth sports for so long.
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Post by atlsoccer on Dec 3, 2019 23:10:24 GMT -5
It may have been different in years past, but I believe Thanksgiving week is a NCAA dead period, which means there can not be a showcase. This week is the dead period or Thanksgiving week? Disney soccer showcase used to be the week of Thanksgiving for girls and there were plenty of coaches there in years past. I was talking about this week though...like December 2-7. Regardless I don't think that they need to have games on Monday and Tuesday or even Wednesday. The U15 age group has games Monday, Tuesday (or Wednesday) and Thursday. Why?!? You have freshmen taking their first finals that actually count for college and they are missing an entire week beforehand! That is nuts! Sorry, I must have miss understood. I assumed this week or next would be viewed about the same for missing school. As for Disney, the rules where changed by the NCAA this past year, which is why Disney was moved from Thanksgiving to January. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Dec 4, 2019 7:24:13 GMT -5
My kids school doesn't excuse anything for soccer. We have accumulated A LOT of absences. The teachers let her make up the work but we still received a letter from the county because there is so many.
She will not be going to the showcase next week due to EOCs. We have applied to switch to online school for next semester because her possible schedule will have her missing even more time.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 4, 2019 7:34:46 GMT -5
Not sure if you are aware, but in some school districts, if you are in school for half the day + 1 minute, you are credited with being there the whole day. Ergo, no official absences. So our kids school day begun at 8am, all we had to do was make sure we checked them out after 12:01pm. On the flip side, we did have a prior personal and respectful conversation with their teachers(bypassing administration) so they were usually willing to give us heads up on major deliverables like tests/projects and were also willing to work with us...
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Post by soccernotfootball on Dec 4, 2019 8:19:50 GMT -5
Not sure if you are aware, but in some school districts, if you are in school for half the day + 1 minute, you are credited with being there the whole day. Ergo, no official absences. So our kids school day begun at 8am, all we had to do was make sure we checked them out after 12:01pm. On the flip side, we did have a prior personal and respectful conversation with their teachers(bypassing administration) so they were usually willing to give us heads up on major deliverables like tests/projects and were also willing to work with us... Yes, advance conversations w/ teachers and coaches go a long way. |
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Post by weekendwarrior03 on Dec 4, 2019 9:11:35 GMT -5
When PTC boys Little League baseball missed 3 weeks of school for LLWS in Williamsport PA no big deal here for the schools. 3 days missed for girls soccer, non excusable event.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Dec 4, 2019 9:47:37 GMT -5
When PTC boys Little League baseball missed 3 weeks of school for LLWS in Williamsport PA no big deal here for the schools. 3 days missed for girls soccer, non excusable event. Get on ESPN, then we'll talk... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 4, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5
This week is the dead period or Thanksgiving week? Disney soccer showcase used to be the week of Thanksgiving for girls and there were plenty of coaches there in years past. I was talking about this week though...like December 2-7. Regardless I don't think that they need to have games on Monday and Tuesday or even Wednesday. The U15 age group has games Monday, Tuesday (or Wednesday) and Thursday. Why?!? You have freshmen taking their first finals that actually count for college and they are missing an entire week beforehand! That is nuts! Sorry, I must have miss understood. I assumed this week or next would be viewed about the same for missing school. As for Disney, the rules where changed by the NCAA this past year, which is why Disney was moved from Thanksgiving to January. Missing a whole week of school is ridiculous regardless of when BUT for the girls they are missing the WHOLE WEEK right before finals. I do feel like there is a difference between this week or next. The week before finals the teachers often spend the first half cramming in the last minute necessities and the second half reviewing for the exams so a REALLY bad week to miss with no time to get the material missed before the exams occur. I think that there is no good reason for the younger kids to miss the whole week. The freshman can't speak to coaches so having them miss the most school makes the least sense. The seniors don't start their games until Wednesday so they can get in two days of school. Their grades matter the least. Dumb planning! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 4, 2019 13:16:55 GMT -5
My kids school doesn't excuse anything for soccer. We have accumulated A LOT of absences. The teachers let her make up the work but we still received a letter from the county because there is so many. She will not be going to the showcase next week due to EOCs. We have applied to switch to online school for next semester because her possible schedule will have her missing even more time. It is a challenge to make things work out for sure. Do you think online school will be a better option? I often wonder if it is worth the trade off. While soccer is awesome at teaching a lot of life lessons, will they miss out on rites of passage or other activities they would only get at school? I am curious. I don't really know. School is so different now than it used to be and adolescence is different as well. |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Dec 4, 2019 15:15:05 GMT -5
Not sure if you are aware, but in some school districts, if you are in school for half the day + 1 minute, you are credited with being there the whole day. Ergo, no official absences. So our kids school day begun at 8am, all we had to do was make sure we checked them out after 12:01pm. On the flip side, we did have a prior personal and respectful conversation with their teachers(bypassing administration) so they were usually willing to give us heads up on major deliverables like tests/projects and were also willing to work with us... We do usually try to stay in school until the last possible minute too. Better to get to some of the classes than none of them. Unfortunately we have found that checking them out early without a doctors note is unexcused. While not showing up all day and sending in a "sick" note after the fact is excused. They do try to tell the teachers up front and try to plan accordingly though. |
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Dec 4, 2019 15:45:17 GMT -5
Not sure if you are aware, but in some school districts, if you are in school for half the day + 1 minute, you are credited with being there the whole day. Ergo, no official absences. So our kids school day begun at 8am, all we had to do was make sure we checked them out after 12:01pm. On the flip side, we did have a prior personal and respectful conversation with their teachers(bypassing administration) so they were usually willing to give us heads up on major deliverables like tests/projects and were also willing to work with us... We do usually try to stay in school until the last possible minute too. Better to get to some of the classes than none of them. Unfortunately we have found that checking them out early without a doctors note is unexcused. While not showing up all day and sending in a "sick" note after the fact is excused. They do try to tell the teachers up front and try to plan accordingly though. I do the same and have my kids try to go to school as much as possible and check them out early. For Gwinnett County Schools I recommend you submit "Doctors Appointment" or "Dentist Appointment" so it is marked as excused. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 4, 2019 22:06:44 GMT -5
My kids school doesn't excuse anything for soccer. We have accumulated A LOT of absences. The teachers let her make up the work but we still received a letter from the county because there is so many. She will not be going to the showcase next week due to EOCs. We have applied to switch to online school for next semester because her possible schedule will have her missing even more time. It is a challenge to make things work out for sure. Do you think online school will be a better option? I often wonder if it is worth the trade off. While soccer is awesome at teaching a lot of life lessons, will they miss out on rites of passage or other activities they would only get at school? I am curious. I don't really know. School is so different now than it used to be and adolescence is different as well. Now that is the trade-off that you as a family will have to sit and discuss. That is also what separates us from other parts of the world. They are willing to go All-In, school be damned and we here tend to lend ourselves to the possibility that our little ones won't make it or could get a scholarship. Tough choice for some, easy for others. Like you stated, hard when you know they will miss out on the rites of passage like Prom, Homecoming, Pep-rallies, Lettering for you HS, etc... |
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Post by SoccerMom on Dec 5, 2019 1:05:23 GMT -5
My kids school doesn't excuse anything for soccer. We have accumulated A LOT of absences. The teachers let her make up the work but we still received a letter from the county because there is so many. She will not be going to the showcase next week due to EOCs. We have applied to switch to online school for next semester because her possible schedule will have her missing even more time. It is a challenge to make things work out for sure. Do you think online school will be a better option? I often wonder if it is worth the trade off. While soccer is awesome at teaching a lot of life lessons, will they miss out on rites of passage or other activities they would only get at school? I am curious. I don't really know. School is so different now than it used to be and adolescence is different as well. She wants to do virtual school. What rites of passage do you mean? She can still attend all events at school such as prom |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Dec 5, 2019 7:14:34 GMT -5
It is a challenge to make things work out for sure. Do you think online school will be a better option? I often wonder if it is worth the trade off. While soccer is awesome at teaching a lot of life lessons, will they miss out on rites of passage or other activities they would only get at school? I am curious. I don't really know. School is so different now than it used to be and adolescence is different as well. She wants to do virtual school. What rites of passage do you mean? She can still attend all events at school such as prom Yes, like prom, homecoming, school clubs or activities like yearbook or the school paper. School is also where many kids get all of their social interaction. When I was a kid sports were also a great place to make friends and have a great time. Now with the higher level teams there is less friend time and the teammates are competing against each other in ways that seem more cutthroat. The kids often seem to be superficially friendly at times but not actually forming deep friendships. This is a devil's advocate discussion. I am not saying online or hybrid schools are wrong. My family has not been able to consider that option because no one is home for the kid to do online school. I see the appeal though. The flexibility is nice. Dead weight classes that don't contribute to the child's education are not necessary (I mean PE for kids that do over 10 hours of physical activity per week?!?! What a waste of time! That should be waived in all schools!) My questions are really just thought provoking for those who are considering it and hopefully someone who has older kids that did it can say if they liked it. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Dec 5, 2019 9:16:22 GMT -5
It is a challenge to make things work out for sure. Do you think online school will be a better option? I often wonder if it is worth the trade off. While soccer is awesome at teaching a lot of life lessons, will they miss out on rites of passage or other activities they would only get at school? I am curious. I don't really know. School is so different now than it used to be and adolescence is different as well. She wants to do virtual school. What rites of passage do you mean? She can still attend all events at school such as prom While she can attend the events.. why would she want to ? If you don't go to the school, you're probably not going to be close enough to a lot of people to bother. Seems to me like it would be akin to going to another schools events.. can't imagine why you'd want to do that. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Dec 5, 2019 9:51:51 GMT -5
She wants to do virtual school. What rites of passage do you mean? She can still attend all events at school such as prom While she can attend the events.. why would she want to ? If you don't go to the school, you're probably not going to be close enough to a lot of people to bother. Seems to me like it would be akin to going to another schools events.. can't imagine why you'd want to do that. Well she doesn't care to attend to the events now while she attends school, so doubt she will care. However she does plan on attending her senior prom |
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Post by soccergirlz on Dec 5, 2019 10:44:40 GMT -5
She wants to do virtual school. What rites of passage do you mean? She can still attend all events at school such as prom Yes, like prom, homecoming, school clubs or activities like yearbook or the school paper. School is also where many kids get all of their social interaction. When I was a kid sports were also a great place to make friends and have a great time. Now with the higher level teams there is less friend time and the teammates are competing against each other in ways that seem more cutthroat. The kids often seem to be superficially friendly at times but not actually forming deep friendships. This is a devil's advocate discussion. I am not saying online or hybrid schools are wrong. My family has not been able to consider that option because no one is home for the kid to do online school. I see the appeal though. The flexibility is nice. Dead weight classes that don't contribute to the child's education are not necessary (I mean PE for kids that do over 10 hours of physical activity per week?!?! What a waste of time! That should be waived in all schools!) My questions are really just thought provoking for those who are considering it and hopefully someone who has older kids that did it can say if they liked it. 100% agree with your first statement. I think the cutthroat competition within a team and the superficial friendships impact the overall team dynamics. If a coach doesnt handle it properly every player ends up playing for themselves and we all know how that works out. |
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