US women

These USA games have looked too much like college soccer. Running running running. The players definitely have skills + athleticism but they don’t seem to have the brains to see and solve. Too much “kick it past them and try to run around them”.

Certainly many goals in soccer are scored from crosses but to have no other idea… is going to be our downfall.

Totally agree. The passing- especially in the midfield- looks like something you would see in a mid-level high school game. Very little creativity, quick passes, movement off the ball, etc. Just try to dribble past or through the defenders- which does work sometimes- or kick it long over the top & hope for the best. You can get away with that against a Vietnam that you completely overmatch athletically, but it's also telling that they only scored 3 goals in that game, when you would have expected many more given the disparity in talent & athleticism between the two squads (for comparison, the Netherlands put up 7 against them). This team looks like a shadow of its former self, and it's going to take a major turnaround to even win one more game. Not saying they can't do it, as they absolutely should be able to, but at this point it would be more surprising- to me at least- if they win their next game, as opposed to seeing their tournament end against Sweden.

The daily discussion is a good listen:

Fishlock, between minutes 13”-31” best describes the issue with this “team.”

Lots of the comments on this video are absolute fire. Worth reading.

Despite how the US has been playing up to this point, I still think this is anyone's tournament to win. Germany just got bounced today, and obviously Canada was sent home a few days ago as well. Some other top teams were lucky to get through. Australia almost got sent home playing on home soil.

The key is whether or not the US can figure things out here against Sweden. Has a fire been lit, or will they keep on playing the way they have. I'm actually glad they have a tougher round of 16 game against a team they know has had their number recently. It will tell us a lot.

Carli Lloyd has been saying a whole lot! I know she is in television now, but she sure has no filter when it comes to her former team, but I heard she is backtracking on what she said. The US has so much talent, so I hope they can work it out before Sweden, but not having Lavelle is critical.

Well done to Brazilian player Marta for an outstanding career, but congrats to Jamaica for making history. Japan is playing amazing soccer and didn’t expect Canada, Brazil and Germany to get eliminated. So many upsets, the world has caught up. The Round of 16 will be very interesting to watch.

Yep, if you watch the video Soccerhouse posted, Press and Tobin say flat out... "that's just who Carli Lloyd is!!!" They totally get what she is saying and expect comments like that from her. (not in a bad way). 

Just need a club teammate to take Horan out at the knees every game. That was the most inspired 30 minutes she and the team have played the entire tournament.

Will be extremely interesting, similar to the Portugal game, not sure if the USWNT has ever been in this situation, with their backs against the wall. Obviously it's a new tournament now and your goal is to advance out of group play.

Does it make them play tight or loose? Sophia Smith clearly couldn't adjust last game. Really wish Ashley Sanchez had gotten some minutes, love her energy and what she brings to the central part of the field -- she can play. She seems to be much more active in finding herself holes in the defense and playing balls to feet.

What changes does coach make? like others said, do you move Ertz back to her national position? tactically we have to do something different, if Sweden plays with a 4 person diamond in the midfield, we could be in trouble again.


There fortunate that England and France are on the other side of the bracket.

Stupid question, but why are US and Netherlands on the same side of the bracket -- I thought they would alternate group winners and 2nd place on both sides to avoid rematches? granted its not until the semis' but is the mens the same way?

Agree on Sanchez. Much rather her than Demelo even though I like her. She doesn’t have the chemistry having never been with the team and boy are we lacking some chemistry! Maybe put Mewis in as a sub. She has something to prove. She had a tough early 20’s in pro soccer and had to fight hard to stay in the game. She is there and her sister is not and she would play for two people. Also she seems to just find spots that I don’t see the other a find.

Please yes on Ertz!!!

Agree the World Cup is different this time. Heavy hitters going down and minnows advancing. Love that Jamaica is in. Great story and representing Concacaf well. Who would have thought that Germany, Brazil and defending Olympic champs Canada would not advance to the knock out rounds?!?! Anyone here think Morocco would be in and Germany out especially after Germany trounced them 6-0?!?! This is very good for women’s soccer. Liga MX women’s league is good for women’s soccer. As much as we are worried about them as individuals Chloe Ricketts, Riley Jackson, Alyssa Thompson, Olivia Moultrie, Melanie Barcenas, and so on is good for women’s soccer.

I am not caught up on the whole forum from a busy last few days, but if no one posted this article please read this analysis from the Athletic. Vlatko is our problem. Tactically not making the right calls.

theathletic.com/4747722/2023/08/03/uswnt-portugal-analyis-world-cup/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

Sorry for the long post, but here is the article...

The USWNT’s ‘Prayer Circle Formation’ is tough to watch, but winning isn’t impossible
Kimberly McCauley Aug. 3, 2023

The United States women’s national team will head into its World Cup round of 16 game against Sweden with a majority of its fan base doubting the team for perhaps the first time in their history. During the U.S.’s last group-stage match, a 0-0 draw against Portugal, they turned in the ugliest and sloppiest performance of the Vlatko Andonovski era, prompting questions about whether the team has what it takes to win a World Cup knockout stage game.

Criticism of Andonovski and his team are warranted after they failed to beat first-time qualifiers Portugal, but it’s worth pointing out that this game was very close to going a lot differently.

If Alex Morgan heads in the cross that Rose Lavelle delivered a couple inches away from perfect, only 18 seconds into the match, or if the U.S. scores any of their 17 relatively high-quality shots — good for 2.13 expected goals — we are probably not having an exhaustive conversation about everything wrong with their coach and tactics. A game with this shot profile is one the USWNT wins more often than not.

The U.S. had six shots inside the box and seven of 0.1 xG or better. The things that happened in between those shots were ugly and difficult to watch, but the USWNT did, ultimately, get enough high-quality shots to win the game.

It’s probably good for the team’s long-term prospects that none of those shots resulted in a goal, though. Instead of having a 2-0 win to paper over all of the cracks in the U.S.’s tactical setup, all of those cracks were clear for everyone to see in a 0-0 draw, in which the Americans were an inch from elimination.


The U.S. cannot hide behind a positive result. They do not get to say “this is fine” while their world burns down around them. They have been forced to acknowledge that they are not currently good enough to win the World Cup, and must improve in almost every aspect of their game in order to reach their objective. They might not get better in time to defeat Sweden in the round of 16, but now they at least know that they have to.

Or they should, at least. Andonovski sounded pretty defiant in the post-match press conference, stating, “we have to stick to our principles, we have to stick to our game model, and we have to stick to our philosophy.” What does that mean?

What the USWNT’s attack is supposed to look like
I’ve spent three years not liking the way the U.S. is playing, giving Andonovski the benefit of the doubt because he is a qualified coach who has won NWSL championships, and giving games a second look to see if I missed anything. This game had fewer positives to find on second look than any other one I can remember, but you could at least see what his team was trying to accomplish on this third-minute move, probably the best of the game.

Julie Ertz starts the attack with an excellent outlet ball to Crystal Dunn, who runs into wide space that’s available due to Portugal’s narrow 4-4-2 diamond formation.
Sophia Smith gets into a good position to receive a pass ahead of Dunn, who finds her with an early ball, getting Smith isolated in a one-on-one in a lot of space against Portugal left back Ana Borges. This is the kind of situation the U.S. would like to find Smith in frequently, and she makes a good decision to cut inside, then try a diagonal ball toward the top of the box.

Smith’s ball isn’t great, but the U.S. attackers are in good positions to keep Portugal under pressure, compete for the second ball after Smith’s diagonal pass is intercepted, and continue the attack with a numerical advantage on the right side. They’re able to work it to Lynn Williams, who beats her defender and squares to the top of the six-yard box for Alex Morgan.

Portugal defender Diana Gomes does a solid job of reacting and putting Morgan off balance just enough to alter the shot and prevent a goal. But this was a good move resulting in a high-quality chance, and if the U.S. were able to do this repeatedly, they’d have won the game.

What’s actually happening 95% of the time they have the ball
Unfortunately for the U.S., Portugal settled into their shape and started defending much better around the 10-minute mark. From then on, the U.S. looked sloppy, and struggled with their passing.

Midfield shape and movement is the most glaring issue with the U.S. at the moment. The team is regularly taking up a stance I’ll call the “Prayer Circle Formation,” in which everyone’s occupying a space on the perimeter of the pitch and no one’s in the middle. Intelligent and technically adept players who regularly show the ability to combine in tight spaces at the club level are being made to appear inept, as they look up for passing options and find no one.

Also, this is exactly what happened when the USWNT lost to Canada in the Olympics in 2021. The Prayer Circle has to be considered a feature, not a bug, of Andonovsi’s tactics at this point. He wants to create overloads in wide areas and get numbers into the box so badly that he is willing to sacrifice having a midfield to do so. Personally, I think this sucks and leads to very bad soccer.

There are — and I swear to god I am not exaggerating one bit — at least 15 instances of the Prayer Circle popping up in the Portugal match, but we’re going to stick to three examples.

During the English-language broadcast of the game, Fox analyst Alexi Lalas lobbed a harsh criticism at Crystal Dunn, stating that she looked like she’d never played soccer before. I would like to know where Dunn is supposed to pass the ball in this instance.

Dunn chose a lofted pass over the top of the defense toward Lindsey Horan, who was making a vertical run in the channel between the right center back and right fullback. Here’s another move where the U.S. tries to build down its left flank through Dunn, who is then tasked with advancing the ball to… who, exactly?

Horan is lagging back on this play while Lavelle stays in the right half space, neither winger cuts inside, and Morgan tries to stretch the back line. Dunn is left with only one passing option: Smith on the left side. Because Portugal knows that Dunn only has one passing option, they can cheat to their right and set up to trap her against the sideline.

Holding midfielder Andi Sullivan has also caught a lot of criticism for her lack of contribution to build-up play and inability to play passes quickly. I am not going to argue that Sullivan has played well during this World Cup, but I would like to know what quick and/or progressive pass she is supposed to play here.

Horan is not offering herself as an option and Lavelle is literally out of frame. This is another instance of the two more advanced central midfielders trying to make a run into the box during early build-up. This isn’t a bad thing; it’s great to have midfielders who are a threat to make runs into the box and score goals. But Horan and Lavelle regularly made this run at the exact same time, meaning neither of them was making themselves a passing option in midfield.

This was the most recognizable repeated pattern of play for the U.S. in this game: Dunn, Sullivan or Emily Fox gets on the ball roughly 60 yards from goal. Horan and/or Lavelle (usually “and”) make a vertical run toward the box. The player on the ball thinks Portugal has the run covered, so they don’t try to play in their midfielder, and look for their second option.

There is no second option. The central midfielders have run forward, and no one from the front line is moving into midfield to replace them. The ball carrier’s only options are to play long or backwards.

The USWNT has faced constant criticism for not playing fast enough, and I’m not sure how they’re meant to do that without hoofing it long up the pitch. The players are having to stop to think because there aren’t available teammates to pass to. Teams that play fast with short passes on the ground are able to do so because their teammates make themselves available for passes. This problem does not originate with the player on the ball, but with the players off the ball.

I hate the left side bias
The USWNT’s build-up leans extremely heavily to its left side. Dunn had a team-leading 72 touches in the match, while Fox, her counterpart on the right side, had just 42. The desire to build through Dunn makes sense — she’s a technically adept central midfielder being tasked with playing left back, and she has a lot of existing chemistry with Horan, the left-sided central midfielder. Using the skills of those players to beat the first line of pressure and advance the ball into midfield makes sense.

But then they don’t go anywhere. They just keep advancing the ball down the left by passing to Smith, or a run by Morgan or Horan toward that side of the pitch.

The USWNT’s inability or unwillingness to work the ball into midfield or play a switch to the right side after early build-up makes them predictable and easy to defend against. It also means fewer touches and less time on the ball for Lavelle, the team’s most impactful creative playmaker. I would try to engineer a system that gets Lavelle on the ball as often as possible instead.

Directness is fine but this is a little extreme
I like watching teams that play forward early. There’s such a thing as pointless circular passing, and Japan’s demolition of Spain is an excellent example of why possession and high passing percentages don’t necessarily mean you’re the better team. But you need the ability to keep the ball situationally, and the USWNT extremely does not have that at the moment.

As Carr points out down the thread a bit, 2.6 passes per sequence is average for an NWSL match, and the USWNT has not hit that number once in its three group games. They’re just going for the home run ball over the top constantly.

Andonovski alluded to this being a genuine tactic in the post-match press conference. When he was asked about his team’s low pass completion percentage, he said, “If we have a lower pass completion (percentage), it could be because of the technique of the pass, or the area where the pass was attempted.” In other words: We were trying low-percentage, high-risk passes on purpose.

Horan and Lavelle finished the game with 63% and 57% passing accuracy respectively, which looks pretty bad on the surface, but I don’t think it’s the problem. Asking your best passers to play lots of high-risk passes in the hopes that they hit one and unlock the defense is a legit tactic, and in this particular instance, one that came off… OK? Horan created two chances with 0.24 expected assists, and Lavelle had three with 0.64 xA.

Where the problems arise is that the way Horan and Lavelle have been asked to play, where they’re either passing or running at the box all the time and rarely supporting others, makes life pretty much impossible for everyone else on the pitch when they have the ball. You can really see the problem in the forwards’ passing stats: Smith and Morgan completed just two passes each in the final third, and Williams completed zero.

What’s the solution?
I don’t think this team can learn how to play nice combinations in midfield and attack in a balanced fashion right now. If they haven’t fixed those problems in the two years since the Olympics, I’m not sure how they’re meant to fix them in five days. I don’t think that a formation change or swapping out personnel fixes these problems. Andonovski’s USWNT does not have the foundational building blocks in place to dominate midfield and play good passing soccer.

The solution, sadly, is “what they’re doing, but better.” Defend and play fast, direct counter-attacks. Get Sophia Smith, Trinity Rodman and Lynn Williams on the pitch at the same time and run them onto the ball over and over and over again while most of the team sits deep in shape. With apologies to Alex Morgan, who could be an excellent deep-lying forward in a team that worked combinations through the center, this is not her team.

I am not a “get back to what made the USWNT great” ideologue. I hope that the program aspires to develop a more modern passing approach in the future, but those aspirations will not help them win a game against Sweden, right now. I believe the players are capable of executing a more technical and stylish style of soccer, but I do not believe they’re capable of it this month, under this coach.

Despite all the negativity, the players’ individual talents are still good enough to carry the USWNT to a win over anyone. In their worst attacking performance in recent memory, they put up 17 shots and 2.13 xG, because the players are good enough to create chances even when they’re confused and the tactics don’t make any sense.

This team is not well coached, and they stink to watch, but they can still win the World Cup.

Heckuva game but the USWNT dominance is no longer.

Mark Krikorian should be on the short list for the next Head Coach. When he left FSU, I thought his next stop would be as the USWNT coach. Now might be the time to make that happen.