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Post by bolo on Aug 11, 2023 11:25:15 GMT -5
4 World Cups. 8 for 8 in making semifinals. So when they go 8 for 9 in semi's your brain really went to "diversity problem"? The Plaschke article even calls out Latino cultural norms as one of the biggest headwinds for latina players. And its not like the U.S. is looking at the rich football legacy of Honduran, Guatemalan or Mexican Womens national teams. Those countries have produced NADA on the international stage. Maybe they have a diversity problem too? And who are you to suggest that Sweden players or Japanese players aren't diverse? Unless you research how each player on those teams grew up, educational circumstances, economic circumstances, personal choices etc. you could never make a responsible summary of their similarities. Your diversity sounds like people aren't the right race (or aren't enough of the right race) for your liking, little to do with different paths to performance in sport. As someone who had a daughter play 3 years at UFA Norcross, your comment about Latino cultural norms is spot on. I’m not saying they discourage their girls from playing soccer, but they clearly don’t encourage and support it the way they do for their boys. I saw it first hand. When we’d see boys teams practicing, the difference in racial makeup was startling compared to the girls. Agree. My son played on several teams as he got older that were majority Hispanic, with families from several different national backgrounds in South America & Central America. To hear some of the dads talk about how strange it was to see girls even playing soccer was eye-opening for me. They said that never happened when they were growing up, and talked about how far behind most of those countries were in terms of girls/women's soccer as a result. And I read Plaschke's article as well. Clearly as with any opinion column, he slanted everything in the direction he wanted to take it, painting the plight and treatment of the subject as a result of racism/class-ism on the part of all soccer clubs in the area, US Women's Soccer as a whole, etc. It just struck me as really strange that if this girl was as good of a player as he & others in the column claimed she was, how the bigger clubs in the area wouldn't have been fighting to get her onto their teams, no matter what it took financially. I've seen that happen here in the Atlanta area, going far beyond just financial assistance for underprivileged players. Including rides to & from practices & games, even from long distances away. I would be shocked if that wasn't an option at some point for this player too, but even if it was, he wasn't going to mention it, because it didn't fit with his narrative. |
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Post by atlantagray on Aug 11, 2023 17:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2023 8:07:20 GMT -5
I'm sure most have seen now but -- Andonovski had resigned.
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Post by flix on Aug 17, 2023 9:28:38 GMT -5
I think it’s interesting how people get riled up about bringing up race when it suits them but people can bring up Kapernick when they want. Interesting it was a white guy who wrote the article but I guess he’s race baiting. There’s no way there could be something there right. I haven’t seen too many if any Latina players, not even going to mention Asian or any of the other races that make up our country. But when you turn on women’s soccer for the US team, it’s predominantly white girls but alas I’m sure that’s what the majority of the parents have on this site based on a lot of the comments. That’s fine the game is passing you guys by and could be similar to how the Celtics used to dominate when it was 8 teams in the league. Just because you don’t want to talk about things doesn’t mean it doesn’t mean exist. When I watch Japan, I’m expecting Japanese players. When I watch Sweden I expect to see white ladies. However, watching the US, it should not be overwhelmingly white based on our population. But we all know the upper middle class rules soccer in America even though there are players that ho can’t afford to play that are probably better. You mean like Sophia Smith, Trinity Rodman, Alyssa Thompson, Naomi Girma, Lynn Williams, Crystal Dunn, Sofia Huerta, Ashley Sanchez, and Alana Cook. Did you forget about them or they just don't fit the narrative that you are trying to push? That is 9 out of 23 players on the USWNT World Cup roster that are races other than white. The percentages of white and non-white players pretty well mirrors the US population. But again, don't let the facts get in the way of the narrative that you are trying to push. Are you really trying to say those players do not have a white parent? Are you serious? Crystal Dunn obviously does not have a white parent but then she doesn’t get much love on the team if she has the audacity to want to play in midfield not at fullback. I think it’s hilarious people jump on me whenever race is brought up but that’s typical behavior from a lot of people. You can bring up gender ALL day on this forum but the minute you bring up race people throw their arms up and oh you want to play the race card. Well I get sick of people playing the gender card all the time on this forum. Fact of the matter is the US women’s team is not a representation of the country. The men do a far better job at diversity on the team even though I’m still looking for some Asians also. Maybe that’s because the men’s team is not come good ole girls network to get paid. I find it hilarious the women are so concerned about getting paid from the national team but you never hear dudes talking about how much they make playing on the national team. |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 17, 2023 9:30:59 GMT -5
I'm sure most have seen now but -- Andonovski had resigned. I was wondering how long was going to take for someone to bring it to the board. So much for waiting until after the World Cup? |
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 17, 2023 9:47:55 GMT -5
You mean like Sophia Smith, Trinity Rodman, Alyssa Thompson, Naomi Girma, Lynn Williams, Crystal Dunn, Sofia Huerta, Ashley Sanchez, and Alana Cook. Did you forget about them or they just don't fit the narrative that you are trying to push? That is 9 out of 23 players on the USWNT World Cup roster that are races other than white. The percentages of white and non-white players pretty well mirrors the US population. But again, don't let the facts get in the way of the narrative that you are trying to push. Are you really trying to say those players do not have a white parent? Are you serious? Crystal Dunn obviously does not have a white parent but then she doesn’t get much love on the team if she has the audacity to want to play in midfield not at fullback. I think it’s hilarious people jump on me whenever race is brought up but that’s typical behavior from a lot of people. You can bring up gender ALL day on this forum but the minute you bring up race people throw their arms up and oh you want to play the race card. Well I get sick of people playing the gender card all the time on this forum. Fact of the matter is the US women’s team is not a representation of the country. The men do a far better job at diversity on the team even though I’m still looking for some Asians also. Maybe that’s because the men’s team is not come good ole girls network to get paid. I find it hilarious the women are so concerned about getting paid from the national team but you never hear dudes talking about how much they make playing on the national team. I do not know the race of their parents and do not care about the race of their parents. The fact of the matter is that all of those players identify as racial minorities. Are you saying that they are not really a minority because they have a white parent? I am much more concerned about wins and losses than color of the person's skin or the color of their parents' skin. I jumped on your comments because they were ridiculous that somehow the success and the future success of the national team is based on the color of the players' skin. Even more ridiculous is that a person must a "pure bred" minority. I think that the analysis in this thread has pretty well set forth the problems that led to a lousy world cup for the USWNT. Except for you and the clown that you referenced, no one has pointed to race. Most of the problem was coaching or lack thereof. You reference the men having more diversity. What exactly have the men won? When the men make the knockout stage and get dropped in the round of 16, we celebrate like it was an accomplishment. Women do the same thing and we are like what the hell is wrong. If you want to hold genders to the same standard, start by measuring success the same way. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 17, 2023 10:45:56 GMT -5
I don't think diversity is an issue. the issue is/was an incompetent head coach and few ageing players who had no right getting meaningful minutes.
I think this team would have demolished spain with a real coach. I only watched there game against the Netherlands, yes, its beautiful, traditional spain/barcelona like soccer. but besides the one striker, they lacked pace and constantly gave the ball away which should have resulted in deadly counters.
I'd sit back, let them keep the ball, and then high pressure, they turn the ball over and we are down their throats. Alex would have had a hat trick in the first half, i'm bring sophia inside as a false nine and let rodman and morgan attack the wings. Rapinoe would haver never seen the field, sanchez, horan and rose (ertz when she was on a yellow) would have been in the middle of the park, with cook and girma playing central defense. If cook showed against Vietnam she isn't ready, i'd bring ertz back in at center back.
technical or not, we would over whelm the opposition the way we have for 3 decades.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Aug 17, 2023 12:37:30 GMT -5
You mean like Sophia Smith, Trinity Rodman, Alyssa Thompson, Naomi Girma, Lynn Williams, Crystal Dunn, Sofia Huerta, Ashley Sanchez, and Alana Cook. Did you forget about them or they just don't fit the narrative that you are trying to push? That is 9 out of 23 players on the USWNT World Cup roster that are races other than white. The percentages of white and non-white players pretty well mirrors the US population. But again, don't let the facts get in the way of the narrative that you are trying to push. Are you really trying to say those players do not have a white parent? Are you serious? Crystal Dunn obviously does not have a white parent but then she doesn’t get much love on the team if she has the audacity to want to play in midfield not at fullback. I think it’s hilarious people jump on me whenever race is brought up but that’s typical behavior from a lot of people. You can bring up gender ALL day on this forum but the minute you bring up race people throw their arms up and oh you want to play the race card. Well I get sick of people playing the gender card all the time on this forum. Fact of the matter is the US women’s team is not a representation of the country. The men do a far better job at diversity on the team even though I’m still looking for some Asians also. Maybe that’s because the men’s team is not come good ole girls network to get paid. I find it hilarious the women are so concerned about getting paid from the national team but you never hear dudes talking about how much they make playing on the national team. Wow. Talk about gaslighting, yeesh. but I'll bite... Quote: "...the US women's team is not a representation of the country". Response: You actually said this??? Do we have non-citizens on this team? No, We are all Americans. When the USA Basketball teams play on the international stage, I don't look at how many people of color are on the team, I just cheer them on because they are American. If you wanted to truly have accurate representation by race on this team you would have: 3 - black 4 - Hispanic 2 - Asian/Polynesian 1 - Native American 16 - Caucasian Are you seriously suggesting that this is how the team should be constructed? If that is the case, it looks like the US Men's team is gonna have to do some serious cuts from the black quota, as they made up roughly 50% of the team in the 2022 World Cup. Now... do I care that the ratios for that team are "out-of-whack" according to your diversity statement?... NO! Absolutely not! And you know why... they are American, that's all I care about. I think this ^^ is the reason people "jump" on you whenever race is brought up. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 17, 2023 12:52:55 GMT -5
Are you really trying to say those players do not have a white parent? Are you serious? Crystal Dunn obviously does not have a white parent but then she doesn’t get much love on the team if she has the audacity to want to play in midfield not at fullback. I think it’s hilarious people jump on me whenever race is brought up but that’s typical behavior from a lot of people. You can bring up gender ALL day on this forum but the minute you bring up race people throw their arms up and oh you want to play the race card. Well I get sick of people playing the gender card all the time on this forum. Fact of the matter is the US women’s team is not a representation of the country. The men do a far better job at diversity on the team even though I’m still looking for some Asians also. Maybe that’s because the men’s team is not come good ole girls network to get paid. I find it hilarious the women are so concerned about getting paid from the national team but you never hear dudes talking about how much they make playing on the national team. Wow. Talk about gaslighting, yeesh. but I'll bite... Quote: "...the US women's team is not a representation of the country". Response: You actually said this??? Do we have non-citizens on this team? No, We are all Americans. When the USA Basketball teams play on the international stage, I don't look at how many people of color are on the team, I just cheer them on because they are American. If you wanted to truly have accurate representation by race on this team you would have: 3 - black 4 - Hispanic 2 - Asian/Polynesian 1 - Native American 16 - Caucasian Are you seriously suggesting that this is how the team should be constructed? If that is the case, it looks like the US Men's team is gonna have to do some serious cuts from the black quota, as they made up roughly 50% of the team in the 2022 World Cup. Now... do I care that the ratios for that team are "out-of-whack" according to your diversity statement?... NO! Absolutely not! And you know why... they are American, that's all I care about. I think this ^^ is the reason people "jump" on you whenever race is brought up. I was hoping you’d also say “now let’s do the same for USA basketball”. |
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Post by atlantagray on Aug 17, 2023 13:12:41 GMT -5
mightydawg " You reference the men having more diversity. What exactly have the men won? When the men make the knockout stage and get dropped in the round of 16, we celebrate like it was an accomplishment. Women do the same thing and we are like what the hell is wrong. If you want to hold genders to the same standard, start by measuring success the same way." I love the USW/USM national teams, but I'm not a fan of comments comparing/contrasting the performances of the usWnt with the usMnt. Men's FIFA WC is 90+ years old with the deepest player pool (ie most competitive) of possibly any sport ever, and our men's soccer pool is severely diluted from other major sports in the USA. While the Women's WC is 30+ years old with a handful of countries (including the USA) having a first-mover advantage, and now countries where women simply didn't play the sport previously are now catching up. As a parallel, Harvard, Yale, etc used to dominate college football before the player pool/teams expanded. I fear the usWnt could end up like that, especially with other countries poaching our talent and so many of our national team players playing in a not-so-top domestic league.
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Post by bolo on Aug 17, 2023 13:38:03 GMT -5
Wow. Talk about gaslighting, yeesh. but I'll bite... Quote: "...the US women's team is not a representation of the country". Response: You actually said this??? Do we have non-citizens on this team? No, We are all Americans. When the USA Basketball teams play on the international stage, I don't look at how many people of color are on the team, I just cheer them on because they are American. If you wanted to truly have accurate representation by race on this team you would have: 3 - black 4 - Hispanic 2 - Asian/Polynesian 1 - Native American 16 - Caucasian Are you seriously suggesting that this is how the team should be constructed? If that is the case, it looks like the US Men's team is gonna have to do some serious cuts from the black quota, as they made up roughly 50% of the team in the 2022 World Cup. Now... do I care that the ratios for that team are "out-of-whack" according to your diversity statement?... NO! Absolutely not! And you know why... they are American, that's all I care about. I think this ^^ is the reason people "jump" on you whenever race is brought up. I was hoping you’d also say “now let’s do the same for USA basketball”. Seriously, people who constantly whine about "diversity" usually mean they just want more minorities on a team, in a company, in a boardroom, etc. And they definitely don't care if they deserve to be there or not. It's funny, there was a big outcry in some circles a few years ago when Kevin Love- a white guy- was chosen for some US Men's Basketball national team competition, with the complaint being he was a "token" white player on an otherwise all-black team. So much for valuing diversity, I guess! I especially liked flix's line that, "I'm still looking for some Asians also", though I can't tell if it's for the Men's or Women's team. Are you seriously saying that an Asian should just be put on the team to check some imaginary racial box, even if they don't deserve to be there. What if they took a spot that otherwise would have gone to a black or Hispanic person? Who ranks higher on the diversity hierarchy?! And what if they're homosexual, or even better, non-binary or trans? Do they automatically get to start?! Who needs a meritocracy, let's just let diversity consultants pick all our teams moving forward! |
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Post by flix on Aug 17, 2023 15:14:45 GMT -5
I was hoping you’d also say “now let’s do the same for USA basketball”. Seriously, people who constantly whine about "diversity" usually mean they just want more minorities on a team, in a company, in a boardroom, etc. And they definitely don't care if they deserve to be there or not. It's funny, there was a big outcry in some circles a few years ago when Kevin Love- a white guy- was chosen for some US Men's Basketball national team competition, with the complaint being he was a "token" white player on an otherwise all-black team. So much for valuing diversity, I guess! I especially liked flix's line that, "I'm still looking for some Asians also", though I can't tell if it's for the Men's or Women's team. Are you seriously saying that an Asian should just be put on the team to check some imaginary racial box, even if they don't deserve to be there. What if they took a spot that otherwise would have gone to a black or Hispanic person? Who ranks higher on the diversity hierarchy?! And what if they're homosexual, or even better, non-binary or trans? Do they automatically get to start?! Who needs a meritocracy, let's just let diversity consultants pick all our teams moving forward! Funny thing is I say the same thing about basketball in that there is no diversity. Linsanity and Yao Ming had Asians watching basketball. White players had whites watching basketball when they were in the league, now Whites don’t watch NBA because there is no diversity.So if there are no Asians, Hispanics or other minorities on the national team, why would they want to watch a bunch of white girls? Some “folks” always think that if someone brings up race it’s that they want it all Black and that’s not the case. Funny thing is a few of those ladies on the team are not good but somehow they are on the team. At this point it’s moot, I mean this is the Georgia Soccer Forum, so I think we know where a lot of Southerners are coming from. Tell you what keep it white like you like, I will just sit back and laugh as your team continues to tank. Their professional league sucks and they need the national team payouts to pay their bills. I would love to see someone “roll “ their eyes at one more post about gender and girls being better. They are not! |
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Post by flix on Aug 17, 2023 15:15:57 GMT -5
I was hoping you’d also say “now let’s do the same for USA basketball”. Seriously, people who constantly whine about "diversity" usually mean they just want more minorities on a team, in a company, in a boardroom, etc. And they definitely don't care if they deserve to be there or not. It's funny, there was a big outcry in some circles a few years ago when Kevin Love- a white guy- was chosen for some US Men's Basketball national team competition, with the complaint being he was a "token" white player on an otherwise all-black team. So much for valuing diversity, I guess! I especially liked flix's line that, "I'm still looking for some Asians also", though I can't tell if it's for the Men's or Women's team. Are you seriously saying that an Asian should just be put on the team to check some imaginary racial box, even if they don't deserve to be there. What if they took a spot that otherwise would have gone to a black or Hispanic person? Who ranks higher on the diversity hierarchy?! And what if they're homosexual, or even better, non-binary or trans? Do they automatically get to start?! Who needs a meritocracy, let's just let diversity consultants pick all our teams moving forward! Dude your comment is so stupid it doesn’t even merit an educated response. You sound like the average simp. |
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Post by flix on Aug 17, 2023 15:21:36 GMT -5
The only person who gives any soccer knowledge and information on this forum is FG. Everything else on here over the last few months/years is when do they schedules come out? My kid has adhd what do I do? Girls soccer is so good and better than boys. Most of the posts tend so deal with girls soccer and last I checked what girl from Atlanta has played on the national team or gone pro besides the girls from UFA? And you know what they trained with boys! As I said most people on this forum pay thousands of dollars for sucky soccer but you think your kid is good. Ha.
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Post by rifle on Aug 17, 2023 15:32:27 GMT -5
Our women’s team has relinquished the firm grip on the game that came from a forty year head start. If they win another major tournament it’ll be quite special.
Our men’s team is not suffering from athletes playing other sports. There are plenty of athletes playing soccer in this country. Freak athletes too. Even some guys who could beat Sergio Busquets at arm wrestling. They suffer from growing up “competing” in pay to play leagues where every team is told their league’s platinum division is better than all the others. The pro leagues with franchises and parity (mediocrity) as a requirement are cut from the same cloth. There are levels to this stuff and we’ll continue to look up for a LONG time if the system remains the same.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 17, 2023 15:39:17 GMT -5
The only person who gives any soccer knowledge and information on this forum is FG. Everything else on here over the last few months/years is when do they schedules come out? My kid has adhd what do I do? Girls soccer is so good and better than boys. Most of the posts tend so deal with girls soccer and last I checked what girl from Atlanta has played on the national team or gone pro besides the girls from UFA? And you know what they trained with boys! As I said most people on this forum pay thousands of dollars for sucky soccer but you think your kid is good. Ha. Well it sounds like there is no reason for you to even be on here then. You might as well leave and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. You just did 3 straight tirades like a whiny baby. It's clear you are young, and into all this DEI, social justice, intersectionality, postmodernism BS. Also in your comments to bolo its clear you have animosity against white people and thus are actually the thing you are claiming all of us "whites" are (inferring we are racist or prejudice). Of course you will say that isn't how it works because you are so far down the intersectionality chart that you can't be racist or prejudice. I'll have to hand it to the folks that made up all this BS. They got all the outs to make sure they can never be called what they are calling other people even when they are exactly that. Its a great racket and scam straight from people like Alinsky and rules for radicals. Shout down your opposition and make them look bad so most will shut up, then destroy the rest that won't by doxxing and canceling them. That way you never actually have to debate any of your BS ideas or theories. I'm sure you will just call me a simp or some other thing you think is witty though. |
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Post by bolo on Aug 17, 2023 16:05:39 GMT -5
Seriously, people who constantly whine about "diversity" usually mean they just want more minorities on a team, in a company, in a boardroom, etc. And they definitely don't care if they deserve to be there or not. It's funny, there was a big outcry in some circles a few years ago when Kevin Love- a white guy- was chosen for some US Men's Basketball national team competition, with the complaint being he was a "token" white player on an otherwise all-black team. So much for valuing diversity, I guess! I especially liked flix's line that, "I'm still looking for some Asians also", though I can't tell if it's for the Men's or Women's team. Are you seriously saying that an Asian should just be put on the team to check some imaginary racial box, even if they don't deserve to be there. What if they took a spot that otherwise would have gone to a black or Hispanic person? Who ranks higher on the diversity hierarchy?! And what if they're homosexual, or even better, non-binary or trans? Do they automatically get to start?! Who needs a meritocracy, let's just let diversity consultants pick all our teams moving forward! Funny thing is I say the same thing about basketball in that there is no diversity. Linsanity and Yao Ming had Asians watching basketball. White players had whites watching basketball when they were in the league, now Whites don’t watch NBA because there is no diversity.So if there are no Asians, Hispanics or other minorities on the national team, why would they want to watch a bunch of white girls? Some “folks” always think that if someone brings up race it’s that they want it all Black and that’s not the case. Funny thing is a few of those ladies on the team are not good but somehow they are on the team. At this point it’s moot, I mean this is the Georgia Soccer Forum, so I think we know where a lot of Southerners are coming from. Tell you what keep it white like you like, I will just sit back and laugh as your team continues to tank. Their professional league sucks and they need the national team payouts to pay their bills. I would love to see someone “roll “ their eyes at one more post about gender and girls being better. They are not! Asians still watch the NBA in massive numbers, even with Yao Ming & Jeremy Lin long out of the picture. China is the largest global market for the NBA, as evidenced by how much the NBA & its stars bend the knee to them in every way possible, and shout down anyone who dares speak out against them (see LeBron James & Daryl Morey a few years ago). And if you look at the average NBA arena, it's filled primarily with white people! Same with NFL stadiums, where they watch a majority-black league. Same with college football & basketball. I've just never understood the idea that people will only watch or cheer for someone of their own race, as you seem to indicate. Never even considered it, honestly, because it's so outlandish. And it even sounds kind of racist to me, but what do I know, I'm from the South. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 18, 2023 8:15:10 GMT -5
everyone please lets take a step back, I don't want to lock this thread -- we need to chill with the attacks on other posters etc.
We are all victims of the same scam, which is youth soccer........honestly, it's all youth sports now....
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Post by atlchiefs on Aug 18, 2023 8:36:34 GMT -5
RE: FLIX - > "what girl from Atlanta has played on the national team or gone pro besides the girls from UFA? And you know what they trained with boys"
I'm not completely certain for how long. But Kelly O'Hara grew up in Fayetteville and played at AFC. Emily Sonnet played at NASA. Both have been a part of several USWNT world cup cycles. Further to your question about others, there are many young ladies from the ATL that are a regular part of the USWNT training pools at different ages. The ones I'm personally aware of train and play with whomever is on the pitch.
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 18, 2023 8:46:42 GMT -5
RE: FLIX - > "what girl from Atlanta has played on the national team or gone pro besides the girls from UFA? And you know what they trained with boys" I'm not completely certain for how long. But Kelly O'Hara grew up in Fayetteville and played at AFC. Emily Sonnet played at NASA. Both have been a part of several USWNT world cup cycles. Further to your question about others, there are many young ladies from the ATL that are a regular part of the USWNT training pools at different ages. The ones I'm personally aware of train and play with whomever is on the pitch. Morgan Gautrat (formerly Brian) is from St Simons. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 18, 2023 11:02:03 GMT -5
everyone please lets take a step back, I don't want to lock this thread -- we need to chill with the attacks on other posters etc. We are all victims of the same scam, which is youth soccer........honestly, it's all youth sports now.... Agree. Let’s get back to soccer itself. I can say that I have tried to stay away from the politics but it can be hard. Let’s try a little harder please. The forum is here to talk about schedules, national teams, world cups, Messi kicking butt in MLS. All of us can agree that youth sports are a money making racket playing on our feelings that are kids are special. The reality is that our kids are special…to us. Maybe they are not special at soccer. Maybe they are just good. But let’s get back to information sharing, not opinion sharing |
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Post by dabe on Aug 18, 2023 20:15:44 GMT -5
I was hoping you’d also say “now let’s do the same for USA basketball”. Seriously, people who constantly whine about "diversity" usually mean they just want more minorities on a team, in a company, in a boardroom, etc. And they definitely don't care if they deserve to be there or not. It's funny, there was a big outcry in some circles a few years ago when Kevin Love- a white guy- was chosen for some US Men's Basketball national team competition, with the complaint being he was a "token" white player on an otherwise all-black team. So much for valuing diversity, I guess! I especially liked flix's line that, "I'm still looking for some Asians also", though I can't tell if it's for the Men's or Women's team. Are you seriously saying that an Asian should just be put on the team to check some imaginary racial box, even if they don't deserve to be there. What if they took a spot that otherwise would have gone to a black or Hispanic person? Who ranks higher on the diversity hierarchy?! And what if they're homosexual, or even better, non-binary or trans? Do they automatically get to start?! Who needs a meritocracy, let's just let diversity consultants pick all our teams moving forward! Just a note: Naomi Girma and Crystal Dunn do not have white parents so the argument that everyone is half white isn't true. I'm also curious about which UFA girls made the senior team? O'hara (Concorde & AFC) and Sonnett (TopHat) are the only players on the WC team that are from GA. Being totally transparent I skimmed this entire thread. I'm pretty sure flix is trying to get to the point that there are insanely talented women of color who are not picked for the USWNT and I think it's time we start asking why. It's not unreasonable to ask if the USSF is missing out on players. Mia Fishel comes to mind. From what I've gathered from the numerous times this topic has been brought onto this forum, the fundamental unwillingness to accept that there is privilege for white players is why we will always reach an impasse. And before anyone starts, privilege does not mean lack of struggle or adversity in your life. The giant pay wall that US Club Soccer/USYS/GA/US Soccer/Georgia Soccer etc. have built is the root cause for the lack of racial diversity on our national team, and on every team across the country. When U.S. Soccer scouts head to events to find the next Alex Morgan they are instantly limited by the diversity of the recruiting pool (ECNL/GA). On average it costs $10,000/yr (transportation, hotel stays, etc.) for a player to participate at the most "elite" levels. The amount it costs to participate means that statistically it is harder for players of color to participate. Before anyone starts, that does not mean that there are not Black, Asian and Hispanic players who can afford to play the sport. ALL players who play at the elite level (barring those on financial aid) are more well off than the majority of America. So, the recruiting pool will always be skewed in favor of rich, white players. This does not mean that rich white players are undeserving of being on their teams or making the USWNT. If we really want to get into it we can discuss the implicit biases of the scouts for US Soccer. How are they viewing players of color? Black women are often viewed as too aggressive, Hispanic women viewed as too loud, Asian women viewed as too meek and mild. So to answer your question, no one is saying that people of color should be put on their respective squads to check boxes, but if a team has the opportunity to diversify why wouldn't they? Diversifying doesn't have to be a scary thing or come at the expense of White players. In fact great places to start are with staff. Perfect segue into who should take over for Vlatko? I feel like this hasn't been discussed enough. Again, I skimmed. I'm thinking Laura Harvey, OL Reign is filled with so much creativity it would be such a welcomed change. Are there any opinions on a coach coming straight from the collegiate level? Anson Dorrance would be an obvious pick but of course Margueritte Aozasa would be fun. P.S. I was way too far into this post to abandon it before I realized admin said to move on, so if you don't like the first part of my post and feel like telling me, message me. This thread is so much more interesting than MLS (unless you want to talk about Machop, I love that guy). |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 18, 2023 21:39:32 GMT -5
Seriously, people who constantly whine about "diversity" usually mean they just want more minorities on a team, in a company, in a boardroom, etc. And they definitely don't care if they deserve to be there or not. It's funny, there was a big outcry in some circles a few years ago when Kevin Love- a white guy- was chosen for some US Men's Basketball national team competition, with the complaint being he was a "token" white player on an otherwise all-black team. So much for valuing diversity, I guess! I especially liked flix's line that, "I'm still looking for some Asians also", though I can't tell if it's for the Men's or Women's team. Are you seriously saying that an Asian should just be put on the team to check some imaginary racial box, even if they don't deserve to be there. What if they took a spot that otherwise would have gone to a black or Hispanic person? Who ranks higher on the diversity hierarchy?! And what if they're homosexual, or even better, non-binary or trans? Do they automatically get to start?! Who needs a meritocracy, let's just let diversity consultants pick all our teams moving forward! Just a note: Naomi Girma and Crystal Dunn do not have white parents so the argument that everyone is half white isn't true. I'm also curious about which UFA girls made the senior team? O'hara (Concorde & AFC) and Sonnett (TopHat) are the only players on the WC team that are from GA. Being totally transparent I skimmed this entire thread. I'm pretty sure flix is trying to get to the point that there are insanely talented women of color who are not picked for the USWNT and I think it's time we start asking why. It's not unreasonable to ask if the USSF is missing out on players. Mia Fishel comes to mind. From what I've gathered from the numerous times this topic has been brought onto this forum, the fundamental unwillingness to accept that there is privilege for white players is why we will always reach an impasse. And before anyone starts, privilege does not mean lack of struggle or adversity in your life. The giant pay wall that US Club Soccer/USYS/GA/US Soccer/Georgia Soccer etc. have built is the root cause for the lack of racial diversity on our national team, and on every team across the country. When U.S. Soccer scouts head to events to find the next Alex Morgan they are instantly limited by the diversity of the recruiting pool (ECNL/GA). On average it costs $10,000/yr (transportation, hotel stays, etc.) for a player to participate at the most "elite" levels. The amount it costs to participate means that statistically it is harder for players of color to participate. Before anyone starts, that does not mean that there are not Black, Asian and Hispanic players who can afford to play the sport. ALL players who play at the elite level (barring those on financial aid) are more well off than the majority of America. So, the recruiting pool will always be skewed in favor of rich, white players. This does not mean that rich white players are undeserving of being on their teams or making the USWNT. If we really want to get into it we can discuss the implicit biases of the scouts for US Soccer. How are they viewing players of color? Black women are often viewed as too aggressive, Hispanic women viewed as too loud, Asian women viewed as too meek and mild. So to answer your question, no one is saying that people of color should be put on their respective squads to check boxes, but if a team has the opportunity to diversify why wouldn't they? Diversifying doesn't have to be a scary thing or come at the expense of White players. In fact great places to start are with staff. Perfect segue into who should take over for Vlatko? I feel like this hasn't been discussed enough. Again, I skimmed. I'm thinking Laura Harvey, OL Reign is filled with so much creativity it would be such a welcomed change. Are there any opinions on a coach coming straight from the collegiate level? Anson Dorrance would be an obvious pick but of course Margueritte Aozasa would be fun. P.S. I was way too far into this post to abandon it before I realized admin said to move on, so if you don't like the first part of my post and feel like telling me, message me. This thread is so much more interesting than MLS (unless you want to talk about Machop, I love that guy). In a utopian world your theory would not be a bad thing, but there are those that use DEI and "affirmative action" guidelines to just further one race over another even when its clear the person or player (job or athlete) is not as good as other qualified people that don't qualify for DEI and affirmative action. We just had a Supreme Court ruling that got rid of this because it was proven that minority students were getting accepted with SAT/ACT scores 100-300 points lower than white and Asian students, and GPAs that were also lower. So again in a perfect world DEI and affirmative action could work, but when there are humans with agendas that don't take the best person or athlete and only pick people due to the color of their skin, the whole thing falls apart. The utopia can never work, because there are people in charge of these DEI and affirmative action programs that purposely pick lesser quality applicants just due to color of skin. I think it is actually an insult to the minority student, as people will just look at them as getting in not due to their smartness or athleticism or qualifications for a job but due to the color of their skin. However I don't disagree that there is a money issue in youth and American soccer that does sometimes exclude poor people from getting into it, but those poor people are of all races not just minorities. |
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