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Post by bogan on Sept 9, 2023 14:59:52 GMT -5
“You only need to take a glimpse on any social media site to see what people innocently post to understand the huge issues negatively impacting youth soccer development in the US.
A college education is so culturally imbedded in USA’s society, that when it comes to “ sports” (soccer) it can be exploited with so many misleading messages.
The true lack of a player development structure based on “merit” plays a big part in that exploitation.
Unknowledgeable parents who fail to educate themselves, make unbelievable mistakes (that they would never make in other areas of their lives) when it comes to their most precious commodity (their child).
While the people that run the youth sector are happy to allow this exploitation in a by and large unpoliced system.
“Safe guarding-player care and compliance” are the new buzz words that will only produce more written policies that will put a further burden on many membership organizations who have clearly demonstrated that the cannot oversee what is currently in place.
The questions that have to be asked are:
Who oversees the current structure in each US Soccer member association?
How do they (member associations) oversee that their policies and know that they are being carried out?
Who from US Soccer is overseeing the member associations?
College soccer is NOT part of the US Soccer Federation structure but yet US Soccer allows it to be the most exploited part of their system🤷♂️
College soccer “needs” a presence in the game here in the USA but it has to comply with US Soccer’s youth development strategy.
Is it time to define that strategy?
Thoughts?”
Another interesting post by Derek Broadley
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 9, 2023 22:44:43 GMT -5
Um. What is he talking about? The financial exploitation? Promises that the child can get a scholarship to college if they just do a, b, c? Oversight of player safety?
Honestly that sounded like some sort of essay I was forced to read in AP English or History.
Maybe this is just that I have no context?
We all know the youth SPORTS system is crazy, not just soccer. Our whole value system is messed up. We value these sports scholarships more than the academic ones. You rarely see anyone post on twitter or instagram about how many academic scholarships their kid got. You will see those Ivy League acceptances, but that is about it. You never see a kid toot their own horn about how smart they are yet there are tons of videos with all of their great goals scored, shots saved, touchdown catches and so on. But I digress…
We have allowed our children to be in harm’s way while in pursuit of these scholarships for sport, but also for drama and music and other talents. We put tremendous pressure on them to get great grades and do activities.
Maybe this is what he is talking about??? Honestly I have no idea?
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Post by bogan on Sept 10, 2023 6:42:32 GMT -5
Um. What is he talking about? The financial exploitation? Promises that the child can get a scholarship to college if they just do a, b, c? Oversight of player safety? Honestly that sounded like some sort of essay I was forced to read in AP English or History. Maybe this is just that I have no context? We all know the youth SPORTS system is crazy, not just soccer. Our whole value system is messed up. We value these sports scholarships more than the academic ones. You rarely see anyone post on twitter or instagram about how many academic scholarships their kid got. You will see those Ivy League acceptances, but that is about it. You never see a kid toot their own horn about how smart they are yet there are tons of videos with all of their great goals scored, shots saved, touchdown catches and so on. But I digress… We have allowed our children to be in harm’s way while in pursuit of these scholarships for sport, but also for drama and music and other talents. We put tremendous pressure on them to get great grades and do activities. Maybe this is what he is talking about??? Honestly I have no idea? I read it as there is no true player pathway-no defined player system-parents are chasing the brass ring, etc. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 11, 2023 16:22:30 GMT -5
If they stop internationals coming in and taking college spots then we may have a chance.
But ZERO ZERO path way.
So you play in College... What do you do in the Spring? How about the Summer? Constant emails to USL2, UPSL, NASL, etc..
No direct path. Every man for himself.
Colleges need to be partnered with local Pro/Semi Pro teams and actively market players to those teams.
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Post by newposter on Sept 11, 2023 18:01:39 GMT -5
Less than 2% of high school make it to any level of college. Only 0.4% of players make it to any professional level. Players can gain some advantage by having strong academics. Coaches consider that heavily in soccer where 30 to 35 players split 14 scholarships for womens and 9 in mens. This also explains why those players number 25 to 35 may get none of the athletic money. However this doesnt keep them from academic scholarships.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 11, 2023 18:14:24 GMT -5
Less than 2% of high school make it to any level of college. Only 0.4% of players make it to any professional level. Players can gain some advantage by having strong academics. Coaches consider that heavily in soccer where 30 to 35 players split 14 scholarships for womens and 9 in mens. This also explains why those players number 25 to 35 may get none of the athletic money. However this doesnt keep them from academic scholarships. Yep very hard. Even harder since Covid. The portal is crazy. More and more international players as well. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 11, 2023 19:43:00 GMT -5
It’s an issue with college football also. Dion was even saying recently it’s a problem and that i think he said he only had 4 high school players. www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8j1ymSC/ |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Sept 11, 2023 21:41:39 GMT -5
It’s an issue with college football also. Dion was even saying recently it’s a problem and that i think he said he only had 4 high school players. www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8j1ymSC/Yep. Excellent honesty from coach Prime! I was told this by a couple college soccer coaches and a director at our club. They will take the known commodity in the transfer portal vs the unknown high school kid most times. It would be nice for them to put a limit on how many internationals could be rostered at the college level. Many, many spots are snatched up by them. Make it kind of like how MLS does it. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 11, 2023 22:15:04 GMT -5
I think it’s actually really bad for a state public school to be so international heavy. Private schools are free to do what they like
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Post by jamsoccer on Sept 12, 2023 8:44:44 GMT -5
companies like SRUSA- are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars from international players- they are marketing our system as the place to go pro for women at least- ‘recruiters’ are total fans of huge benches bc they can keep selling the dream to players overseas and here- i think companies like this and ncsa are the real exploiters-they don’t even feel bad trying to convince these kids that they can play in college- anyway as long as these companies are making money they’ll lobby the ncaa to make sure they keep the roster numbers high and the international spots unregulated 🤢
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Post by footyfan on Sept 12, 2023 8:54:27 GMT -5
This is a great discussion topic. How can USSF turn a blind eye to the huge portion of US soccer that is college soccer? How can they, and USOPC, let this US Olympic/Paralympic sport go on unmanaged by the sport's governing body?
Foreign academy dropouts are (rightfully) running amok in the US College soccer ecosystem. How can that not be a huge concern for USOPC/USSF? Our system is failing our kids and one only need to look at the college game for proof.
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Post by missionimpossible on Sept 14, 2023 12:11:21 GMT -5
Less than 2% of high school make it to any level of college. Only 0.4% of players make it to any professional level. Players can gain some advantage by having strong academics. Coaches consider that heavily in soccer where 30 to 35 players split 14 scholarships for womens and 9 in mens. This also explains why those players number 25 to 35 may get none of the athletic money. However this doesnt keep them from academic scholarships. Yep very hard. Even harder since Covid. The portal is crazy. More and more international players as well. On the mens side, unbelievable the amount of international players. A never ending supply of players who have aged out of whatever type of semi pro system they were in before, typically 21 to 28 years old. Also, coaches inflating roster sizes to accommodate and promising a potential jump to a pro system afterwards. This probably exist where they’re coming from but may not be as many colleges or colleges fielding teams? At least in our situation the international players, IMO are pretty much at the same level as a better domestic ECNL/ MLS Next type player in terms of technical ability and are often not as athletic or have as much upside. However, they are grown men competing against 18 year olds. For coaches at some of the better college programs there is a strong preference to these older players. That’s basically their formula for winning, recruit A LOT of older international players. |
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