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Post by rifle on Sept 26, 2023 21:18:40 GMT -5
Me tinks me not taking anything you say seriously and read it at all... because you clown and troll too much with the broken English when we all know you can write just exactly how you wrote just then. So no I didn't even read anything you said above. Maybe if you had gotten rid of that tired shtick a long time ago I would take what you say seriously and actually read it. Recommend just read it anyway. It wasn’t humor this time but rather an authentic and reasonable reply. I haven’t completed my SS update yet. The fact that some education is polarizing frankly saddens me. I have a co-worker and friend who is gay. Her wedding last fall was my first gay wedding. I was outside my comfort zone but actually not uncomfortable because she is a friend. After coming out at work and not being ostracized, she has become a bit of an activist and is using her voice within our profession to try and educate. She and I had a talk about her activism recently and I candidly asked “what exactly is your goal”? She told me it’s simply to be able to live and be herself and not be attacked. Literally to not get attacked verbally or physically.. or online by trolls. Because she is gay. “Safety”… is not too much to ask IMO. I personally haven’t wrapped my mind all the way around trans folk. I mean I understand it but I still cannot imagine anyone hurting so much inside that they find comfort “identifying” as the opposite sex. My 18yo son played in a marching band and the band had FOUR trans kids. All of whom he considers friends. Those kids were drawn to a “safer place” of the loving community that is the HS band. Not gonna lie - I was very surprised at the amount. Contrary to popular belief, they weren’t trying to get their jollies in a restroom. All they seek is safety. I decided that I am willing to help them achieve safety even if it makes me uncomfortable. Honestly, we all have far more in comment than not. Our society has trained us to see polar extremes when life is actually more of a gradient. Can we try to understand a little and just be kind instead of assuming the worst in others? |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 27, 2023 8:13:23 GMT -5
Me tinks me not taking anything you say seriously and read it at all... because you clown and troll too much with the broken English when we all know you can write just exactly how you wrote just then. So no I didn't even read anything you said above. Maybe if you had gotten rid of that tired shtick a long time ago I would take what you say seriously and actually read it. Recommend just read it anyway. It wasn’t humor this time but rather an authentic and reasonable reply. I haven’t completed my SS update yet. The fact that some education is polarizing frankly saddens me. I have a co-worker and friend who is gay. Her wedding last fall was my first gay wedding. I was outside my comfort zone but actually not uncomfortable because she is a friend. After coming out at work and not being ostracized, she has become a bit of an activist and is using her voice within our profession to try and educate. She and I had a talk about her activism recently and I candidly asked “what exactly is your goal”? She told me it’s simply to be able to live and be herself and not be attacked. Literally to not get attacked verbally or physically.. or online by trolls. Because she is gay. “Safety”… is not too much to ask IMO. I personally haven’t wrapped my mind all the way around trans folk. I mean I understand it but I still cannot imagine anyone hurting so much inside that they find comfort “identifying” as the opposite sex. My 18yo son played in a marching band and the band had FOUR trans kids. All of whom he considers friends. Those kids were drawn to a “safer place” of the loving community that is the HS band. Not gonna lie - I was very surprised at the amount. Contrary to popular belief, they weren’t trying to get their jollies in a restroom. All they seek is safety. I decided that I am willing to help them achieve safety even if it makes me uncomfortable. Honestly, we all have far more in comment than not. Our society has trained us to see polar extremes when life is actually more of a gradient. Can we try to understand a little and just be kind instead of assuming the worst in others? I appreciate the comment. Contrary to what folks think of me on here (which frankly I don't care what people on a board think of me), I don't have any issue with gay/lesbian folks as long as they are not the militant activist types. I don't go around being a militant activist for being straight. No one cares if you are gay or straight. In this day and age coming out isn't even the thing it used to be. My cousin is gay. I went to her gay wedding. It was out of my comfort zone as well, but I went because I love her, and also because a lot of her extended family did not come because of her being gay. I am a Christian, so being gay is in direct conflict with my religion, but that doesn't mean I don't love my cousin and it doesn't mean I don't love the gay friends that I do have. I just don't agree in their lifestyle. This is the live and let live thing I am talking about here. As for the trans topic is a lot more complex. Here are a few of my points of why it won't ever be accepted common place by all: 1) Up until like 10 minutes ago historically and medically, Gender Dysphoria was treated as a mental illness by the medical community. The non-PC answer is that it is still a mental illness, but now we are enabling a mental illness by affirming them instead of trying to treat the underlying mental condition. I do feel like the main reason for this is for PC reasons, but also because the medical industry sees a cash cow for medical procedures and RX drugs for this mental disorder they can take advantage of these folks. That is why the only way to "fix" this condition now is cross-hormone treatment and genital mutilation. There isn't even talk of treating it like a mental disorder anymore. 2) A very big part of this flood gate of people that identify as Trans now is a social contagion especially in teenagers and kids. It is the "cool" thing to be now. So I would say a ton of these folks identify as trans that aren't really trans at all. They are just teens confused in their body as they are going through puberty like all of us were in some way shape or form as we were teenagers. There are actual peer review studies the media will not talk about showing this. This social contagion is exclusively a western society thing as well. The rest of the world does not have this issue. 3) The pushing of irreversible cross-hormone treatment and genital mutilation in kids and teenagers is absolute child abuse. We won't allow these underage folks to make any important decisions in their life, but the medical community is allowing them (most of the time being coerced by activists or their parents) to have life altering things done to their body that many many of them seriously regret when their brain fully forms and they can understand decisions better. It should absolutely be outlawed till they are 18 years old. You are going to start seeing (and you already are) people de-transitioning and speaking out on what was forced on them when they were not in a good mental state. I hope that the people forcing this stuff get sued out of business for it. 4) The grooming that is going on by a lot of folks on the trans side (through children's books some of which have graphic images or word depictions of sex acts) is disgusting. Also appearing in front of kids in provocative clothes is bad as well and grooming. I don't want straight strippers dressed in sexualized clothes around my kids, why is it ok for drag queens and trans folks to do it? It's bad either way. 5) The bathroom situation for at least schools is a bad issue. We have girls that have been raped by boys that claim to be transgender and we have school systems that covered it up, and put the dad of the girl in jail. We had media that covered it completely up, until right leaning media shined a light on it. No the vast majority of actual real trans folks aren't going to cause an issue in a bathroom, but there will be perverts that will still. As far as locker rooms go there is an issue there. Biological females should not be subjected to see male genitalia in a locker room. In my opinion a separate changing and bathroom area for trans kids are the best happy medium on this issue. 6) Biological males have no place competing in biological female sports, teams, or leagues. There is plenty of peer reviewed studies that show that even if taking cross-sex hormones and testosterone blockers, the biological male has an unfair advantage. There was a knee slap allowance of them in a lot of sports to begin with to bow to the activists, but as you see the pendulum is starting to shift the opposite way now that biological females are actually standing up for themselves. I don't know what the solution is here, but putting biological males in female sports is not the answer and is unfair to all biological females. So the trans issue if a very complex one. I am sorry for your co-worker if she is getting bullied for being gay. I know plenty of gay folks, some of which I even consider good friends and some are even family. I don't see the bullying with them. I'm not saying that it isn't happening, but today right now it is easier to be gay in American than any other time in the history of this country. Activism by LGBTQ folks that includes forcing people that do not think like you (people that are minding their own business and not bullying) in an in your face way to force them to agree with 100% of what you say and want or the activists will dox, cancel, or get you fired is not the way to win hearts and minds. Live and let live is the mantra (as long as it is not harming or grooming children), and fight against real bigotry toward LGBTQ community not folks that just don't agree with your stances is the way to go. I doubt it will happen though. A lot on that side think that all are bigots if they don't agree 100% lockstep with them. What that does is force folks like me and other folks that are live and let live to choose a side eventually. |
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Post by davidj on Sept 27, 2023 12:00:19 GMT -5
My final note: I’m not interested in “debating” anyone on this topic…
Most people don’t want to be perceived as “unreasonable” or “the bad guy”, and SlickDaddy96 claims he’s a “live-&-let-live” guy, but earlier comments in this thread are peppered with bias-loaded terms like “woke”, “leftist”, “nonsense”, “absolute BS”, “deeply disturbing”, “erosion of societal & social norms”, “the transgender community forcing their opinions onto everyone else”, “the bullying from the transgender community”, etc, etc, etc.
So it is 100% clear from the language used where the implicit bias is.
Sluckdaddy96 says: ‼️There isn't going to be any more acceptance of gender identity than there is now. You can dress up and call yourself whatever you like, you can mutilate your body, or take cross sex hormones, but that does not mean I have to or society has to agree with what you are saying you are, nor are we forced to believe it or treat you like that. The fact that someone thinks that they can force people into that is the epitome of malignant narcissism, which is what the transgender movement ultimately is. ‼️
Nobody who expresses these thoughts with this choice of language can consider themselves “open-minded”:
Is he just unaware of how much a biased close-minded transphobe he really is…. Or just unwilling or too much of a coward to cop to it?
I have no idea but I feel obligated to comment when I see this kind of toxic idiocy infecting the forum.
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Post by mamadona on Sept 27, 2023 12:19:04 GMT -5
Recommend just read it anyway. It wasn’t humor this time but rather an authentic and reasonable reply. I haven’t completed my SS update yet. The fact that some education is polarizing frankly saddens me. I have a co-worker and friend who is gay. Her wedding last fall was my first gay wedding. I was outside my comfort zone but actually not uncomfortable because she is a friend. After coming out at work and not being ostracized, she has become a bit of an activist and is using her voice within our profession to try and educate. She and I had a talk about her activism recently and I candidly asked “what exactly is your goal”? She told me it’s simply to be able to live and be herself and not be attacked. Literally to not get attacked verbally or physically.. or online by trolls. Because she is gay. “Safety”… is not too much to ask IMO. I personally haven’t wrapped my mind all the way around trans folk. I mean I understand it but I still cannot imagine anyone hurting so much inside that they find comfort “identifying” as the opposite sex. My 18yo son played in a marching band and the band had FOUR trans kids. All of whom he considers friends. Those kids were drawn to a “safer place” of the loving community that is the HS band. Not gonna lie - I was very surprised at the amount. Contrary to popular belief, they weren’t trying to get their jollies in a restroom. All they seek is safety. I decided that I am willing to help them achieve safety even if it makes me uncomfortable. Honestly, we all have far more in comment than not. Our society has trained us to see polar extremes when life is actually more of a gradient. Can we try to understand a little and just be kind instead of assuming the worst in others? I appreciate the comment. Contrary to what folks think of me on here (which frankly I don't care what people on a board think of me), I don't have any issue with gay/lesbian folks as long as they are not the militant activist types. I don't go around being a militant activist for being straight. No one cares if you are gay or straight. In this day and age coming out isn't even the thing it used to be. My cousin is gay. I went to her gay wedding. It was out of my comfort zone as well, but I went because I love her, and also because a lot of her extended family did not come because of her being gay. I am a Christian, so being gay is in direct conflict with my religion, but that doesn't mean I don't love my cousin and it doesn't mean I don't love the gay friends that I do have. I just don't agree in their lifestyle. This is the live and let live thing I am talking about here. As for the trans topic is a lot more complex. Here are a few of my points of why it won't ever be accepted common place by all: 1) Up until like 10 minutes ago historically and medically, Gender Dysphoria was treated as a mental illness by the medical community. The non-PC answer is that it is still a mental illness, but now we are enabling a mental illness by affirming them instead of trying to treat the underlying mental condition. I do feel like the main reason for this is for PC reasons, but also because the medical industry sees a cash cow for medical procedures and RX drugs for this mental disorder they can take advantage of these folks. That is why the only way to "fix" this condition now is cross-hormone treatment and genital mutilation. There isn't even talk of treating it like a mental disorder anymore. 2) A very big part of this flood gate of people that identify as Trans now is a social contagion especially in teenagers and kids. It is the "cool" thing to be now. So I would say a ton of these folks identify as trans that aren't really trans at all. They are just teens confused in their body as they are going through puberty like all of us were in some way shape or form as we were teenagers. There are actual peer review studies the media will not talk about showing this. This social contagion is exclusively a western society thing as well. The rest of the world does not have this issue. 3) The pushing of irreversible cross-hormone treatment and genital mutilation in kids and teenagers is absolute child abuse. We won't allow these underage folks to make any important decisions in their life, but the medical community is allowing them (most of the time being coerced by activists or their parents) to have life altering things done to their body that many many of them seriously regret when their brain fully forms and they can understand decisions better. It should absolutely be outlawed till they are 18 years old. You are going to start seeing (and you already are) people de-transitioning and speaking out on what was forced on them when they were not in a good mental state. I hope that the people forcing this stuff get sued out of business for it. 4) The grooming that is going on by a lot of folks on the trans side (through children's books some of which have graphic images or word depictions of sex acts) is disgusting. Also appearing in front of kids in provocative clothes is bad as well and grooming. I don't want straight strippers dressed in sexualized clothes around my kids, why is it ok for drag queens and trans folks to do it? It's bad either way. 5) The bathroom situation for at least schools is a bad issue. We have girls that have been raped by boys that claim to be transgender and we have school systems that covered it up, and put the dad of the girl in jail. We had media that covered it completely up, until right leaning media shined a light on it. No the vast majority of actual real trans folks aren't going to cause an issue in a bathroom, but there will be perverts that will still. As far as locker rooms go there is an issue there. Biological females should not be subjected to see male genitalia in a locker room. In my opinion a separate changing and bathroom area for trans kids are the best happy medium on this issue. 6) Biological males have no place competing in biological female sports, teams, or leagues. There is plenty of peer reviewed studies that show that even if taking cross-sex hormones and testosterone blockers, the biological male has an unfair advantage. There was a knee slap allowance of them in a lot of sports to begin with to bow to the activists, but as you see the pendulum is starting to shift the opposite way now that biological females are actually standing up for themselves. I don't know what the solution is here, but putting biological males in female sports is not the answer and is unfair to all biological females. So the trans issue if a very complex one. I am sorry for your co-worker if she is getting bullied for being gay. I know plenty of gay folks, some of which I even consider good friends and some are even family. I don't see the bullying with them. I'm not saying that it isn't happening, but today right now it is easier to be gay in American than any other time in the history of this country. Activism by LGBTQ folks that includes forcing people that do not think like you (people that are minding their own business and not bullying) in an in your face way to force them to agree with 100% of what you say and want or the activists will dox, cancel, or get you fired is not the way to win hearts and minds. Live and let live is the mantra (as long as it is not harming or grooming children), and fight against real bigotry toward LGBTQ community not folks that just don't agree with your stances is the way to go. I doubt it will happen though. A lot on that side think that all are bigots if they don't agree 100% lockstep with them. What that does is force folks like me and other folks that are live and let live to choose a side eventually. Your post is more nuanced and you come across as slightly less unlikable. It's really nice that you went to your cousin's gay wedding and you are supportive of her and other gay friends! I googled about trans youth issues. Here's a short summary of my understanding of what usually happens. Pre puberty, nothing is done except socially, ie dress differently, change their name. Once signs of puberty starts, most go on puberty blockers. This delays puberty and gives them more time to think and be sure of their identity. There is not much risk to this, except some possible loss of bone density. You can't delay puberty forever so by age 15 or so, most have to decide if they still want to transition. If they do, after careful psychologial evaluation etc, they start hormones and then can also have some surgery, often breast removal (if girl to boy). Apparently only around 1% regret it. Not sure about genital surgery, at what age they do that, I'm hoping they wait longer! I can't see anyone want to do all this just because it's fashionable or whatever? That would be really crazy. I would never allow my kids to do anything if I thought it was just something they saw on Tiktok. I just don't believe that happens. I don't think there is a way to "fix" gender dysphoria if it was a mental illness? The only way to fix the depression, suicidal thoughts, etc is to let them start to transition and that's why parents let their kids do it. They want them to be happy. I don't think it's true either that it's just in the western world, but it's probably more hidden in other cultures. The bathroom issue is ridiculous. 99.99% of transgender youth does not want to rape someone in a bathroom. You want a biological male who looks just like a girl, to go in the guys bathroom? What's going to happen in there? Which bathroom do you think this person should use? It's a childhood neighbor of mine who transitioned in the 90s, way before it was "fashionable". www.kungsbackaposten.se/nyheter/tova-sophia-fran-onsala-vill-bli-mamma-kommer-dra-igang-ett-surrogatprojekt-.d63a4e15-65fc-4924-bf0c-68df8a42e942Honestly, I'm uncomfortable with much of all this and I'm relieved that my kids are not gay or trans, just because it's so much harder to deal with everything if you are. But I'm trying to be open minded and learn more about it. Sport is a tough one though. For team sports I don't think it matters that much. Is there an example of someone dominating in a team sport? But in swimming, track, etc, I don't think it's right if trans women keep breaking records. That does seem like unfair advantage. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 27, 2023 12:50:58 GMT -5
My final note: I’m not interested in “debating” anyone on this topic… Most people don’t want to be perceived as “unreasonable” or “the bad guy”, and SlickDaddy96 claims he’s a “live-&-let-live” guy, but earlier comments in this thread are peppered with bias-loaded terms like “woke”, “leftist”, “nonsense”, “absolute BS”, “deeply disturbing”, “erosion of societal & social norms”, “the transgender community forcing their opinions onto everyone else”, “the bullying from the transgender community”, etc, etc, etc. So it is 100% clear from the language used where the implicit bias is. Sluckdaddy96 says: ‼️There isn't going to be any more acceptance of gender identity than there is now. You can dress up and call yourself whatever you like, you can mutilate your body, or take cross sex hormones, but that does not mean I have to or society has to agree with what you are saying you are, nor are we forced to believe it or treat you like that. The fact that someone thinks that they can force people into that is the epitome of malignant narcissism, which is what the transgender movement ultimately is. ‼️ Nobody who expresses these thoughts with this choice of language can consider themselves “open-minded”: Is he just unaware of how much a biased close-minded transphobe he really is…. Or just unwilling or too much of a coward to cop to it? I have no idea but I feel obligated to comment when I see this kind of toxic idiocy infecting the forum. LOL as I said before, I don't care what some random on here thinks of me. I stand by every thing i stated. I am a conservative (no I don't like Trump he isn't a conservative). So when I use hyperbolic words such as woke, etc... it is because that is what I believe. I don't care if you like them being used or not. You didn't care if you called me names, so why should I hold back my statements? I won't ever accept a non-scientific assertion that a male can be a female or vice versa. It is unscientific, and this whole separating sex from gender theory and mantra is just post-modernism run amuck just as much as the "my truth" and "your truth" BS. There is only one absolute truth, and in the matter of transgender folks it is that they can never be the opposite gender no matter what hormones they take and what surgery they have. They can play dress up, and do whatever they want to make them feel better about themselves, but they can not be mad when others that think logically don't accept that they are the sex they claim to be. As far as live and let live goes, as I said before those folks can do whatever they want to do as long as they are not grooming or harming children, and as long as they are not trying to dox, cancel, or get fired folks for not agreeing that they are a sex they are not. I'm not going to be mean to them, and as long as they are not being militant (doxing, canceling, etc...) or grooming children, or trying to get unfair advantages in sports etc... to the determent to biological females they will have no issues with me. That is live and let live for me. You leave me alone don't try to propagandize and groom minors then, then I won't do anything either. Live and let live does not mean I have to accept what they are, but that does mean I will ignore or be nice to them if I have an interaction with them and not bully, harass, etc.... You will call me transphobic for that, but that would be the wrong use of the word and again frankly you do you, I don't care what you think of me. As far as "open-minded" goes, where did I ever say I was open-minded on the trans issue? I am logical and use irrefutable scientific facts on the transgender issue. I'm not open-minded into allowing grooming of minors to make normal something that is abnormal, or introduce graphic sexual content in schools either. I do feel bad for the folks that think they are someone else inside their own body, but this is indeed a mental disorder. I'm not sure experimental surgery and cross-hormone treatment is the way to go to fix a mental disorder, especially when the medical community has been shown to be untrustworthy and money grabbers. I'm not sure they have the transgender folks best interest in mind. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 27, 2023 12:58:25 GMT -5
Your post is more nuanced and you come across as slightly less unlikable. It's really nice that you went to your cousin's gay wedding and you are supportive of her and other gay friends! I googled about trans youth issues. Here's a short summary of my understanding of what usually happens. Pre puberty, nothing is done except socially, ie dress differently, change their name. Once signs of puberty starts, most go on puberty blockers. This delays puberty and gives them more time to think and be sure of their identity. There is not much risk to this, except some possible loss of bone density. You can't delay puberty forever so by age 15 or so, most have to decide if they still want to transition. If they do, after careful psychologial evaluation etc, they start hormones and then can also have some surgery, often breast removal (if girl to boy). Apparently only around 1% regret it. Not sure about genital surgery, at what age they do that, I'm hoping they wait longer! I can't see anyone want to do all this just because it's fashionable or whatever? That would be really crazy. I would never allow my kids to do anything if I thought it was just something they saw on Tiktok. I just don't believe that happens. I don't think there is a way to "fix" gender dysphoria if it was a mental illness? The only way to fix the depression, suicidal thoughts, etc is to let them start to transition and that's why parents let their kids do it. They want them to be happy. I don't think it's true either that it's just in the western world, but it's probably more hidden in other cultures. The bathroom issue is ridiculous. 99.99% of transgender youth does not want to rape someone in a bathroom. You want a biological male who looks just like a girl, to go in the guys bathroom? What's going to happen in there? Which bathroom do you think this person should use? It's a childhood neighbor of mine who transitioned in the 90s, way before it was "fashionable". www.kungsbackaposten.se/nyheter/tova-sophia-fran-onsala-vill-bli-mamma-kommer-dra-igang-ett-surrogatprojekt-.d63a4e15-65fc-4924-bf0c-68df8a42e942Honestly, I'm uncomfortable with much of all this and I'm relieved that my kids are not gay or trans, just because it's so much harder to deal with everything if you are. But I'm trying to be open minded and learn more about it. Sport is a tough one though. For team sports I don't think it matters that much. Is there an example of someone dominating in a team sport? But in swimming, track, etc, I don't think it's right if trans women keep breaking records. That does seem like unfair advantage. Only 1 note to your comments, as far as the research goes on cross-hormone treatment and testosterone or estrogen blockers, they are learning that they are not as safe as the medical community and the transgender advocates are making them out to be. If you block the person's hormones to stop puberty, there is a certain point where there is no reversing that. The body only makes large quantities of these hormones during the ages that puberty happens. There are plenty of studies that show that if you stop puberty and then change your mind, if you are a male your male anatomy will be very small and you are less likely to be able to be fertile. The same goes with women, they will have smaller breasts, and are less likely to be fertile. The people that think tinkering with the endogenous hormones in a body is safe with no repercussions are selling holy water. The issue right now is that studies showing the harmful effects are hard to get published because unfortunately the Medical Scientific community (and actually all of science believe me I'm a scientist I know) has become politicized. You only get funding for studies and published if it helps the popular agenda. This happens in climate science, medicine, you name the field it is politicized. So I would caveat that don't take your first paragraph statements you found as absolute gospel truth. Its always healthy to have skepticism now especially in this day and age of all media being biased (either left or right) and all science also being biased one way or the other depending on the topic. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 27, 2023 13:12:09 GMT -5
"...And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made..."
If some govt agency came out and said:
"Listen, we've trained an AI solely on OANN chyrons and Breitbarbituates and it has gotten out of our sandbox and is posting on youth soccer message boards worldwide. Have you seen it?"
I would say. "Maybe? How many hours a day do you reckon it would hallucinate about gender dysphoria?"
My advice for newer folks to this board: Ignore thr culture warrior rants. They just feed off your attention. Im sure they have other places, like Discord, to vent on. If you are interested in the thread, just talk past them but never to them.
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Post by mamadona on Sept 27, 2023 13:14:54 GMT -5
Your post is more nuanced and you come across as slightly less unlikable. It's really nice that you went to your cousin's gay wedding and you are supportive of her and other gay friends! I googled about trans youth issues. Here's a short summary of my understanding of what usually happens. Pre puberty, nothing is done except socially, ie dress differently, change their name. Once signs of puberty starts, most go on puberty blockers. This delays puberty and gives them more time to think and be sure of their identity. There is not much risk to this, except some possible loss of bone density. You can't delay puberty forever so by age 15 or so, most have to decide if they still want to transition. If they do, after careful psychologial evaluation etc, they start hormones and then can also have some surgery, often breast removal (if girl to boy). Apparently only around 1% regret it. Not sure about genital surgery, at what age they do that, I'm hoping they wait longer! I can't see anyone want to do all this just because it's fashionable or whatever? That would be really crazy. I would never allow my kids to do anything if I thought it was just something they saw on Tiktok. I just don't believe that happens. I don't think there is a way to "fix" gender dysphoria if it was a mental illness? The only way to fix the depression, suicidal thoughts, etc is to let them start to transition and that's why parents let their kids do it. They want them to be happy. I don't think it's true either that it's just in the western world, but it's probably more hidden in other cultures. The bathroom issue is ridiculous. 99.99% of transgender youth does not want to rape someone in a bathroom. You want a biological male who looks just like a girl, to go in the guys bathroom? What's going to happen in there? Which bathroom do you think this person should use? It's a childhood neighbor of mine who transitioned in the 90s, way before it was "fashionable". www.kungsbackaposten.se/nyheter/tova-sophia-fran-onsala-vill-bli-mamma-kommer-dra-igang-ett-surrogatprojekt-.d63a4e15-65fc-4924-bf0c-68df8a42e942Honestly, I'm uncomfortable with much of all this and I'm relieved that my kids are not gay or trans, just because it's so much harder to deal with everything if you are. But I'm trying to be open minded and learn more about it. Sport is a tough one though. For team sports I don't think it matters that much. Is there an example of someone dominating in a team sport? But in swimming, track, etc, I don't think it's right if trans women keep breaking records. That does seem like unfair advantage. Only 1 note to your comments, as far as the research goes on cross-hormone treatment and testosterone or estrogen blockers, they are learning that they are not as safe as the medical community and the transgender advocates are making them out to be. If you block the person's hormones to stop puberty, there is a certain point where there is no reversing that. The body only makes large quantities of these hormones during the ages that puberty happens. There are plenty of studies that show that if you stop puberty and then change your mind, if you are a male your male anatomy will be very small and you are less likely to be able to be fertile. The same goes with women, they will have smaller breasts, and are less likely to be fertile. The people that think tinkering with the endogenous hormones in a body is safe with no repercussions are selling holy water. The issue right now is that studies showing the harmful effects are hard to get published because unfortunately the Medical Scientific community (and actually all of science believe me I'm a scientist I know) has become politicized. You only get funding for studies and published if it helps the popular agenda. This happens in climate science, medicine, you name the field it is politicized. So I would caveat that don't take your first paragraph statements you found as absolute gospel truth. Its always healthy to have skepticism now especially in this day and age of all media being biased (either left or right) and all science also being biased one way or the other depending on the topic. The articles I read (a few different sources) did mention what you said as a possible risk, especially if puberty blockers are used for a long time. Patients should do their own research and be informed of possible risks. Most probably still think it’s worth it. Again, stopping puberty is probably not something you do on a whim. These kids are traumatized by it. So it seems the benefits of delaying outweigh the risks. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 27, 2023 13:58:36 GMT -5
"...And the people bowed and prayed To the neon god they made..." If some govt agency came out and said: "Listen, we've trained an AI solely on OANN chyrons and Breitbarbituates and it has gotten out of our sandbox and is posting on youth soccer message boards worldwide. Have you seen it?" I would say. "Maybe? How many hours a day do you reckon it would hallucinate about gender dysphoria?" My advice for newer folks to this board: Ignore thr culture warrior rants. They just feed off your attention. Im sure they have other places, like Discord, to vent on. If you are interested in the thread, just talk past them but never to them. And your comment serves what purpose? Are you the white knight of this soccer message board? A post was made about safe sport being too long. I made another complaint in a post that is pertaining to safe sport. You didn't like my comment and thus now call me a culture warrior. The funny thing about that "culture warrior" term is that the left calls the right that, but it is they who started the "culture war". Here is how topics of the culture war that want to be rammed down the throats of America happen... This the standard MO of the left now. 1) Conservatives and normal folks realize something weird is going on and being pushed by the left.... 2) The left and left leaning media lie and say "that isn't happening, you are paranoid and delusional." 3) Those same people see more and more evidence of this taking place by the left to the point where it is irrefutable that it is happening 4) The left and left leaning media now says yes it is happening, why do you hate XXXXX, do you not care about XXXX, why are you a bigot, homophobe, not care about the environment, etc.... 5) The left and left leaning media then state like you just did "ignore the culture warriors" to try to throw a negative connotation of average people raising concerns about stuff the left is pushing through. *** The end all be all of this tactic is to try to stifle and shut up speech that they do not agree with, so that they are perceived as a majority when they are just a very loud minority on the topic. The new polling that the majority of the left wants free speech censored that they don't agree with that just came out tells you all you need to know about folks on the left. "Free Speech only if we agree with it." www.realclearpolitics.com/real_clear_opinion_research/poll_is_censorship_a_partisan_issue_149790.htmlRinse and repeat. This is what happens verbatim for every topic. Gas stoves, transgender athletes in women's sports, graphic sexualized books in school libraries, schools hiding medical and other information from parents, other environmental policies for sacrifices at the alter of climate change, etc..... You name the topic this is how the left and left leaning media handles this. You also ASS-Ume a lot of stuff about me in your post. I don't like any media really left or right leaning because it is all bias and created to make division so sorry on the OAN Breitbart stuff, that isn't me, nor do I watch FoxNews. Unfortunately since there is no unbiased media at all in American anymore, one is forced to find as unbiased as you can from both sides and decide what is the the actual truth and what is spin. If you think your media source of choice is unbiased and telling you the absolute truth, I have a bridge to sell you. Maybe some miracle spring water too! |
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Post by dc on Sept 27, 2023 15:31:34 GMT -5
Someone please tell me that this poster is just a parody. No rational person actually has these opinions, do they?
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Post by footyfan on Sept 27, 2023 16:21:51 GMT -5
Mandatory SafeSport Training. 2 hours in and no end in sight. OMG, I get it, not allowed to tickle players or shower with them. Talk about a 3 hour training that could be an email. Creator clearly paid by length. This alone might get me to stop refereeing. I agree the training is a bore. What gets me is that SafeSport inquiries where coaches that have violated what is taught and get turned in never get in trouble. Its nuts. No teeth in their bite. USSF just seems to use them as a scapegoat. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 27, 2023 16:49:16 GMT -5
Someone please tell me that this poster is just a parody. No rational person actually has these opinions, do they? No a lot of people have these opinions. Maybe get out of your echo chamber of only people that think like you sometime. Dare I say on most of what I'm talking about (depending on the topic) the majority of Americans think the same as me, though they are just not as vocal as me about it. Plenty of polls out there on various topics the left love (that would be considered woke) that show they are unpopular to conservatives, republicans, and independents and some topics even unpopular to moderate democrats. The sad thing is, you won't get out of your echo chamber. I probably have more liberal and progressive friends then you do conservative and right leaning friends so you will never realize there is a whole bunch of popular opinions that you disagree with but didn't realize so many folks disagree with you. I make sure to make friends with left leaning folks that will actually debate me so that I keep myself honest on my position points. There are very few left leaning folks that will actually do that the opposite way. |
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Post by footyfan on Sept 27, 2023 19:52:37 GMT -5
Mandatory SafeSport Training. 2 hours in and no end in sight. OMG, I get it, not allowed to tickle players or shower with them. Talk about a 3 hour training that could be an email. Creator clearly paid by length. This alone might get me to stop refereeing. Players that turn 18 at any point in their club calendar year also have to take this now! Hours and hours. Thought my player might give up the dream because of it. I can't believe an 18 yr old made it through that training. Kudos to your player! |
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Post by rifle on Sept 27, 2023 21:08:49 GMT -5
I think you sound a LOT like Erick Erickson, slickdaddy96. That’s not intended as a negative - he is intelligent and entertaining. I listen despite deciding not to listen to any more sermons about 27 years ago. So sometimes I have to change the channel.. I just keep coming back for the traffic reports. I also think we agree on about 80% of things. And that’s pretty good if you think about it. |
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Post by dc on Sept 28, 2023 8:03:44 GMT -5
Someone please tell me that this poster is just a parody. No rational person actually has these opinions, do they? No a lot of people have these opinions. Maybe get out of your echo chamber of only people that think like you sometime. Dare I say on most of what I'm talking about (depending on the topic) the majority of Americans think the same as me, though they are just not as vocal as me about it. Plenty of polls out there on various topics the left love (that would be considered woke) that show they are unpopular to conservatives, republicans, and independents and some topics even unpopular to moderate democrats. The sad thing is, you won't get out of your echo chamber. I probably have more liberal and progressive friends then you do conservative and right leaning friends so you will never realize there is a whole bunch of popular opinions that you disagree with but didn't realize so many folks disagree with you. I make sure to make friends with left leaning folks that will actually debate me so that I keep myself honest on my position points. There are very few left leaning folks that will actually do that the opposite way. Yep. Parody. 9.5/10. Half point deduction for being too over-the-top. Well played. :golf clap |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 28, 2023 8:09:49 GMT -5
I think you sound a LOT like Erick Erickson, slickdaddy96 . That’s not intended as a negative - he is intelligent and entertaining. I listen despite deciding not to listen to any more sermons about 27 years ago. So sometimes I have to change the channel.. I just keep coming back for the traffic reports. I also think we agree on about 80% of things. And that’s pretty good if you think about it. I do like Erickson because he punishes both sides for their stupidity. When politicians and folks on all sides of the political spectrum do something or say something stupid or unpopular, they should be called out on it. He isn't my source of "news" per se though. I do like to read both sides of a topic and come to my own conclusion what is more likely to be truth and what isn't. It keeps me honest. Most folks won't believe me here, but I have moderated on a lot of things over the years of getting older, making liberal and other friends that don't think like me, etc... I'm still to the core a conservative, but I can understand and am even ok on some things I used to not be ok with when I was ins say college or early 20s, so I guess I am a little more libertarian on some things now that I used to not be. |
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Post by soccergurl on Sept 28, 2023 9:00:20 GMT -5
After 16 responses on this topic alone - Wait, you are a conservative, most of us thought you were a bleeding heart liberal? You are absolutely right, I don't think most folks believe that for a second. Nice try there friend.
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 28, 2023 20:13:04 GMT -5
LGB drop the T (and everything else). The first three are real natural biological conditions, the rest are just mental illnesses. The two communities have nothing in common. Many LGB are not happy being lumped in with the rest.
Another take - Trans is the new Goth. The kids that don't find a group in HS - jocks, nerds, partiers, band kids - used to be Goth. Now they're Trans.
Can't get a tattoo until 18, but can take life altering drugs and have irreversible surgery at 14? Insane.
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