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Post by lajolla39 on Oct 15, 2023 16:13:06 GMT -5
You're correct. If your kid is good you don't want to be on a team where the players can barely tie their shoes. But the reality is coaches + clubs are always looking for talent. If your kid is good they'll find them/you. My youngest just started playing u6 rec but has been playing Futsal for 6 months. She scored rec goals left and right. Then boom out of nowhere she's invited to try out for the all-stars rec team. Which we all know is just a gateway drug for competitive teams. Personally if we could I'd have my kid just do futsal. As a parent it's much more entertaining to watch. Also the coaches are actually trying to implement tactics / passing. Best wishes to your player but wouldn't call a rec all star team a gateway drug to a competitive team. Good luck but I encourage you to get her to a competitive environment as soon as you can if that is what she truly strives for...just know the best players are already training against the best players and are ahead of the game and other players in that respect. Ummm... She's been playing Rec for 1 month + was already invited to the "all stars" team + this is u6. I'm fairly certain if I wanted to I could ask the competitive coach for a tryout + she'd get on the team. Or I could start paying for all the extra training camps to get noticed, or privates with the competitive coach, or etc, etc, etc. Also something I didn't mention was that "all stars" tryouts was a scrimmage against the current competitive team + the random all stars tryout players beat the current competitive team 3-1. As I said I've gone through all this before. FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) means nothing to me. If I want to spend 3k for u6 competitive soccer I will. However this time I might do things differently. Real soccer doesn't start until 11v11. |
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Post by olderthandirt on Oct 15, 2023 16:39:34 GMT -5
“Real soccer doesn’t start until 11v11”
<giggle>
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 15, 2023 16:40:47 GMT -5
Best wishes to your player but wouldn't call a rec all star team a gateway drug to a competitive team. Good luck but I encourage you to get her to a competitive environment as soon as you can if that is what she truly strives for...just know the best players are already training against the best players and are ahead of the game and other players in that respect. Ummm... She's been playing Rec for 1 month + was already invited to the "all stars" team + this is u6. I'm fairly certain if I wanted to I could ask the competitive coach for a tryout + she'd get on the team. Or I could start paying for all the extra training camps to get noticed, or privates with the competitive coach, or etc, etc, etc. Also something I didn't mention was that "all stars" tryouts was a scrimmage against the current competitive team + the random all stars tryout players beat the current competitive team 3-1. As I said I've gone through all this before. FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) means nothing to me. If I want to spend 3k for u6 competitive soccer I will. However this time I might do things differently. Real soccer doesn't start until 11v11. Been there too. As I said good luck to your player at the "rec" all star game... |
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Post by lajolla39 on Oct 15, 2023 17:32:29 GMT -5
“Real soccer doesn’t start until 11v11” <giggle> The reason real soccer doesn't start until 11v11 is because 11v11 is when they start playing on a full size field. When you play on a full size field passing, tactics, training all come into play. Booting it up to the big fast kid still works but not like it did on a smaller field. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 15, 2023 19:28:23 GMT -5
“Real soccer doesn’t start until 11v11” <giggle> The reason real soccer doesn't start until 11v11 is because 11v11 is when they start playing on a full size field. When you play on a full size field passing, tactics, training all come into play. Booting it up to the big fast kid still works but not like it did on a smaller field. Real soccer starts way before 11 v 11. That would be equating that real baseball doesnt start until kids run bases that are 90 feet. The size of the field does not matter. Kid played u8 academy at 6 years old. Kid played with the same coach for 3 years and became one of the top academy teams in Atlanta. The coach stressed defensive formation and possession from the back. They did not play boom ball. If that is not happening at the younger ages there is an issue. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 15, 2023 19:50:37 GMT -5
Futsal sounds like a great place for a five year old. Probably playing against eight year olds too… and on the way to becoming a filthy (meaning good, not dirty) player. This conversation reminds me of NFL players who forbid their own kids from playing peewee football and make them play multiple sports until high school. Save getting their brains knocked in and losing nothing development wise. Soccer and pointyball are NOT equal due to the layers of skills required in soccer but I’m very interested in hearing how this goes over the next ten years for lajolla39 |
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Post by lajolla39 on Oct 15, 2023 20:50:18 GMT -5
Futsal sounds like a great place for a five year old. Probably playing against eight year olds too… and on the way to becoming a filthy (meaning good, not dirty) player. This conversation reminds me of NFL players who forbid their own kids from playing peewee football and make them play multiple sports until high school. Save getting their brains knocked in and losing nothing development wise. Soccer and pointyball are NOT equal due to the layers of skills required in soccer but I’m very interested in hearing how this goes over the next ten years for lajolla39Ironic that you say this. There's a daughter of a professioal player on my oldest daughter's team. The professional player also thinks that higher level play starts at u13. (Ie the start of GA / ECNL + a full size field) What's really interesting is that the pro players wife understands soccer 100% more then the former pro player. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Oct 15, 2023 21:03:16 GMT -5
Futsal sounds like a great place for a five year old. Probably playing against eight year olds too… and on the way to becoming a filthy (meaning good, not dirty) player. This conversation reminds me of NFL players who forbid their own kids from playing peewee football and make them play multiple sports until high school. Save getting their brains knocked in and losing nothing development wise. Soccer and pointyball are NOT equal due to the layers of skills required in soccer but I’m very interested in hearing how this goes over the next ten years for lajolla39As a 3rd time parent it's not really about being good or bad. What makes a difference is things like futsal + kids having a good time with their team. Before u13 means nothing. It's fun to do but the games are worthless. I've seen over 10+ stop playing over the years. Players that I thought were amazing but unfortunately their parents were on their back + pressuring too much. The most important thing is for players to be having fun + enjoying being on the field. Whenever having fun stops players will quit playing. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 16, 2023 5:30:07 GMT -5
Futsal sounds like a great place for a five year old. Probably playing against eight year olds too… and on the way to becoming a filthy (meaning good, not dirty) player. This conversation reminds me of NFL players who forbid their own kids from playing peewee football and make them play multiple sports until high school. Save getting their brains knocked in and losing nothing development wise. Soccer and pointyball are NOT equal due to the layers of skills required in soccer but I’m very interested in hearing how this goes over the next ten years for lajolla39As a 3rd time parent it's not really about being good or bad. What makes a difference is things like futsal + kids having a good time with their team. Before u13 means nothing. It's fun to do but the games are worthless. I've seen over 10+ stop playing over the years. Players that I thought were amazing but unfortunately their parents were on their back + pressuring too much. The most important thing is for players to be having fun + enjoying being on the field. Whenever having fun stops players will quit playing. Club soccer is a “build some excitement and take their money” world. For kid #3 it is clear that you have seen some things. A vast majority of parents only only ride the crazy train once or twice and learn a lot.. then it’s over. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 16, 2023 9:59:02 GMT -5
As a 3rd time parent it's not really about being good or bad. What makes a difference is things like futsal + kids having a good time with their team. Before u13 means nothing. It's fun to do but the games are worthless. I've seen over 10+ stop playing over the years. Players that I thought were amazing but unfortunately their parents were on their back + pressuring too much. The most important thing is for players to be having fun + enjoying being on the field. Whenever having fun stops players will quit playing. Club soccer is a “build some excitement and take their money” world. For kid #3 it is clear that you have seen some things. A vast majority of parents only only ride the crazy train once or twice and learn a lot.. then it’s over. Kids should be enjoying playing no doubt. Having been around the game for 15 plus years at the very best playing and top level, I have seen parents make excuses. Bottom line, their player wasn't able to make the top team so they started to make excuses which often centered around attacking the process and the team...wine, wine, wine. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 16, 2023 13:55:03 GMT -5
Club soccer is a “build some excitement and take their money” world. For kid #3 it is clear that you have seen some things. A vast majority of parents only only ride the crazy train once or twice and learn a lot.. then it’s over. Kids should be enjoying playing no doubt. Having been around the game for 15 plus years at the very best playing and top level, I have seen parents make excuses. Bottom line, their player wasn't able to make the top team so they started to make excuses which often centered around attacking the process and the team...wine, wine, wine. My comment is “club soccer” continues to start more leagues to take your money and TELL you you’re on the best team.. in the best league. It’s a real shame when teams aren’t able to compete across leagues or because of club feuds. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 16, 2023 14:16:41 GMT -5
yea, the siloing of mls next and ecnl is terrible.
christian lavers is making way too much money now to give up any control. DA adding girls created a youth soccer battle that isn't going to end soon.
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Post by lajolla39 on Oct 16, 2023 15:38:04 GMT -5
yea, the siloing of mls next and ecnl is terrible. christian lavers is making way too much money now to give up any control. DA adding girls created a youth soccer battle that isn't going to end soon. It is annoying that a very small group at the top of each league has so much power. What's even more annoying is that there's all kinds of players, teams, and clubs that want to do well unfortunately they're being blocked from doing so unless they fall in line and play the game the way the people at the top tell them to. Want to play in college? Good luck getting noticed just playing on the High School team. Don't have the $$$ for ECNL,GA,MLSN, etc? Too bad, other more deserving players with $$$ will take your spot. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 17, 2023 10:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2023 12:23:51 GMT -5
hum, they should
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Post by lajolla39 on Oct 17, 2023 12:59:07 GMT -5
Japan is a small country where everyone speaks the same language. Also Japan is split out into different prefectures that go back thousands of years. This is a perfect overlay for a single soccer league to represent the entire entity. You can't compare Japan to other countries it's like comparing apples and vinyl siding on your house. What works there often doesn't work anywhere else on the planet. (and that's ok) |
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Post by soccerdad30303 on Oct 17, 2023 18:32:30 GMT -5
You are saying a lot but not much. We can do what other countries are doing which is make one system. Pretty novel concept, complicating it is where we are now. We are doing too much but not enough.
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Post by lajolla39 on Oct 17, 2023 22:54:03 GMT -5
You are saying a lot but not much. We can do what other countries are doing which is make one system. Pretty novel concept, complicating it is where we are now. We are doing too much but not enough. I'm saying exactly what Japan is like + that you can't use it as an example for the rest of the world. Japan is a mono culture and has been for 3000 years. There's a reason why they're able to work together + play on the same team/league. |
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Post by soccerdad30303 on Oct 18, 2023 10:43:23 GMT -5
www.instagram.com/reel/Cx2h69SLBvT/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==Henry says it best. If we focus on the skills and getting kids to national team we can be the best. We don’t focus on the skill , we focus on leagues. Just simplify the pathway and league structure so it benefits everyone not just those who have access.
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Post by bogan on Oct 18, 2023 11:49:07 GMT -5
www.instagram.com/reel/Cx2h69SLBvT/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==Henry says it best. If we focus on the skills and getting kids to national team we can be the best. We don’t focus on the skill , we focus on leagues. Just simplify the pathway and league structure so it benefits everyone not just those who have access. I think we need a few more “top” leagues…we don’t have enough. |
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Post by atlantagray on Oct 18, 2023 12:06:26 GMT -5
You are saying a lot but not much. We can do what other countries are doing which is make one system. Pretty novel concept, complicating it is where we are now. We are doing too much but not enough. I'm saying exactly what Japan is like + that you can't use it as an example for the rest of the world. Japan is a mono culture and has been for 3000 years. There's a reason why they're able to work together + play on the same team/league. never thought i'd see blood and soil arguments on this forum |
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Post by rpsoccer on Oct 18, 2023 12:29:57 GMT -5
This is the whole interview, it is worth watching it.
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