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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 1, 2024 8:06:09 GMT -5
It wasn't just the referees at this game....Playing in any Dekalb stadium against any Dekalb county team is a nightmare...Both games Northgate had against Dekalb county teams were horrible. First game of the season against Chamblee was one sided referees as well as the last minute change of venues 30 mins away causing most of the parents missing the first half of the game. The Tucker game CR was horrible, definitely wasn't paying attention because he constantly getting hit with the ball and interrupting the flow of the game all night....and not only was there a problem with the officiating but also the security/DCPD. Too busy worrying about a parents being too loud (one parent dropped an S bomb)but couldn't be bothered with constant wafting smell dank weed that permeated the entire stadium.....was sure to have had a contact high.....Also, how many coaches are allowed on the sidelines? Tucker had a minimum of 10? On another note, why can't they regulate the Ref's/clock keeper to have radios and earpieces? Would definitely help with communications between the Refs, especially in the 2 officials' system......It's available for football coaches in the both talking to the sidelines..... The clock operator was indeed doing their best attempt at some "home cooking" in that game. When Northgate was winning or tied they constantly would stop the clock without the referee giving the sign to stop the clock, and once they got ahead it took an act of Congress to get them to stop the clock. In my opinion blatant stuff like that should get the home team in question fined by GHSA. I can understand missing 1 or 2 signals or the clock malfunctioning, but this was blatant home cooking that the referees never addressed (along with many other things they didn't address that affected the outcome of that particular game). Cass is going to beat the snot out of Tucker anyway, so they will get their come-upping this week. |
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 1, 2024 8:21:46 GMT -5
Question for all the refs out there. If a player gets fouled after he gets a shot off in the penalty area, should a PK be awarded? This happened in the Lassiter-Glynn Academy match last night. Ball went into the box, GA player got the shot off (and obviously missed), then got knocked over. PK awarded. Depends on how reckless the challenge is. There can indeed be "advantage" in the box as the "Ref Needs Love Guy" (David Gerson) has covered previously with his analysis on one of his videos recently. The way I normally handle it is if the shot was taken and any challenge or contact would not have affected that shot then I won't usually call the foul unless it is just a really reckless challenge. Also getting knocked over doesn't necessarily mean he got fouled. When an attacking player goes to shoot the ball with full force that can make them a little unbalanced after kicking the ball. A simple shoulder check that might make the guy fully lose his balance when he was already a little out of balance wouldn't be a foul in my opinion. You also have to take into account how "easy" these kids are going down. As a referee you might fool me once or twice going down easy on very light contact, but at some point in the game I'm going to catch on and you will be flopping for no reason or worse if I 100% know you were simulating, you are getting a card from me. I would have to see the video of the play to give my analysis on the specific play. 1. Contact did not affect the shot. 2. Attacker got tripped after getting the shot off. Definitely not reckless and also not a flop. |
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Post by soccerswarm on May 1, 2024 13:45:06 GMT -5
Depends on how reckless the challenge is. There can indeed be "advantage" in the box as the "Ref Needs Love Guy" (David Gerson) has covered previously with his analysis on one of his videos recently. The way I normally handle it is if the shot was taken and any challenge or contact would not have affected that shot then I won't usually call the foul unless it is just a really reckless challenge. Also getting knocked over doesn't necessarily mean he got fouled. When an attacking player goes to shoot the ball with full force that can make them a little unbalanced after kicking the ball. A simple shoulder check that might make the guy fully lose his balance when he was already a little out of balance wouldn't be a foul in my opinion. You also have to take into account how "easy" these kids are going down. As a referee you might fool me once or twice going down easy on very light contact, but at some point in the game I'm going to catch on and you will be flopping for no reason or worse if I 100% know you were simulating, you are getting a card from me. I would have to see the video of the play to give my analysis on the specific play. 1. Contact did not affect the shot. 2. Attacker got tripped after getting the shot off. Definitely not reckless and also not a flop. This game is on NFHS network. www.nfhsnetwork.com/events/glynn-county-schools-brunswick-ga/gam5fc168c6a9You can see the play at the 1:19:00 mark. Looks like to Goalie contacted the kid as he was striking the ball. Seemed like a reasonable call. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 1, 2024 14:14:27 GMT -5
1. Contact did not affect the shot. 2. Attacker got tripped after getting the shot off. Definitely not reckless and also not a flop. This game is on NFHS network. www.nfhsnetwork.com/events/glynn-county-schools-brunswick-ga/gam5fc168c6a9You can see the play at the 1:19:00 mark. Looks like to Goalie contacted the kid as he was striking the ball. Seemed like a reasonable call. Unfortunately behind a paywall, so I won't be able to view it. If what you state is accurate and he was tripped with the goalie completely missing the ball, it would be reasonable to give a penalty. Depending on what exactly it looked like I could see referees not giving it either. |
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Post by gob31 on May 1, 2024 15:46:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately behind a paywall, so I won't be able to view it. If what you state is accurate and he was tripped with the goalie completely missing the ball, it would be reasonable to give a penalty. Depending on what exactly it looked like I could see referees not giving it either. I don't like the call. The attacker got his shot off before any contact was made. The GK had a good angle which is why they shot went wide, though he did make contact after it was gone. With the way the game was called leading up to it, with a ton of contact and after the play stuff ignored, I think it was soft and gave Glynn a second chance after a missed shot which they buried. The center struggled, getting several calls backwards, and seemed in over his head from the start with the pace of the game and the physicality. He missed a blatant PK late in the game for Lassiter that would have set up an equalizer as well. |
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Post by playfromtheback on May 1, 2024 16:38:49 GMT -5
I hate to say this but when complaining about a ref, I think you should be required to disclose if you are a support of one of the teams.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 1, 2024 17:21:11 GMT -5
I hate to say this but when complaining about a ref, I think you should be required to disclose if you are a support of one of the teams. Pretty confident that no one here (or at least I am not) is denying I was in support of the team in the OP. That being said, I can impartially look at a call or calls made and evaluate a referee and the quality of his game based on my experience as a referee. Others that support this team will be the first to notate that I correct them if I think the call was correct on the field even if it went against the team I was rooting for. For me to complain about this particular instance it has to be really really really bad, and the call (or lack of a call) in question changed the outcome of a game. |
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Post by futbolfan1 on May 1, 2024 21:28:17 GMT -5
I hate to say this but when complaining about a ref, I think you should be required to disclose if you are a support of one of the teams. Pretty confident that no one here (or at least I am not) is denying I was in support of the team in the OP. That being said, I can impartially look at a call or calls made and evaluate a referee and the quality of his game based on my experience as a referee. Others that support this team will be the first to notate that I correct them if I think the call was correct on the field even if it went against the team I was rooting for. For me to complain about this particular instance it has to be really really really bad, and the call (or lack of a call) in question changed the outcome of a game. After watching the game entirely. I am going to have to disagree with this, the call didn’t change the outcome of the game. Lassiter missing countless opportunities in the first half alone was the outcome of the game. They had their chances and lost. I understand to be frustrated, but this call isn’t the hill to die on compared to others. |
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Post by Respect on May 2, 2024 0:05:41 GMT -5
Question for all the refs out there. If a player gets fouled after he gets a shot off in the penalty area, should a PK be awarded? This happened in the Lassiter-Glynn Academy match last night. Ball went into the box, GA player got the shot off (and obviously missed), then got knocked over. PK awarded. To answer your question, if a player gets ‘fouled’ (as described in LOTG 12) after the player releases the ball, the fouled should be given unless the referee can apply advantage. It doesn’t matter where in the field the foul takes place. Depending on the foul the restart is a DFK or IDFK. It’s common for certain players or teams to finish a close up on a player by following through with a foul, sometimes a trifling foul , sometimes a harsher one and not calling them may lead to later retaliation fouls; hence it is advisable for the referee to stay a split moment on the play before following the ball to make sure fouls are not committed after players release or pass the ball. In all cases, keep flow of the game while maintaining control. I checked the play mentioned here in the link posted. In my opinion, and from the camera angle, it is a foul and the PK is the correct call. I will also say that the ref is in better angle and closer than the camera. What the ref missed was a caution (YC) to the keeper. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 2, 2024 7:29:51 GMT -5
Pretty confident that no one here (or at least I am not) is denying I was in support of the team in the OP. That being said, I can impartially look at a call or calls made and evaluate a referee and the quality of his game based on my experience as a referee. Others that support this team will be the first to notate that I correct them if I think the call was correct on the field even if it went against the team I was rooting for. For me to complain about this particular instance it has to be really really really bad, and the call (or lack of a call) in question changed the outcome of a game. After watching the game entirely. I am going to have to disagree with this, the call didn’t change the outcome of the game. Lassiter missing countless opportunities in the first half alone was the outcome of the game. They had their chances and lost. I understand to be frustrated, but this call isn’t the hill to die on compared to others. Not talking about Lassiter. You need to go back to my OP (original post) that started this entire thread. It was the Northgate vs. Tucker boys game last week I was talking about. I have no clue about the Lassiter game. Didn't see the game. Going from what people have said viewing the game it sounds like the referee made the right call of a PK. Again though I would withhold my judgement on it until when/if I see the play in question. If someone can capture and post the play in question in the Lassiter game, I would love to see it. |
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Post by playfromtheback on May 2, 2024 9:37:17 GMT -5
I hate to say this but when complaining about a ref, I think you should be required to disclose if you are a support of one of the teams. Pretty confident that no one here (or at least I am not) is denying I was in support of the team in the OP. That being said, I can impartially look at a call or calls made and evaluate a referee and the quality of his game based on my experience as a referee. Others that support this team will be the first to notate that I correct them if I think the call was correct on the field even if it went against the team I was rooting for. For me to complain about this particular instance it has to be really really really bad, and the call (or lack of a call) in question changed the outcome of a game. Sorry, that wasn't directed at you. Your OP was very fair and called out issues on both sides. I have read a lot of posts in this thread and other threads talking about how bad a ref was, but all of the calls went one way. I'm not saying that never happens, but I think in that situation some context needs to be added. I was also half joking with my post. It is also amazing how many times when I'm at my son's games, what parents think is a foul on the other team, the exact same action is fair play with their team. |
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 2, 2024 15:03:28 GMT -5
Question for all the refs out there. If a player gets fouled after he gets a shot off in the penalty area, should a PK be awarded? This happened in the Lassiter-Glynn Academy match last night. Ball went into the box, GA player got the shot off (and obviously missed), then got knocked over. PK awarded. To answer your question, if a player gets ‘fouled’ (as described in LOTG 12) after the player releases the ball, the fouled should be given unless the referee can apply advantage. It doesn’t matter where in the field the foul takes place. Depending on the foul the restart is a DFK or IDFK. It’s common for certain players or teams to finish a close up on a player by following through with a foul, sometimes a trifling foul , sometimes a harsher one and not calling them may lead to later retaliation fouls; hence it is advisable for the referee to stay a split moment on the play before following the ball to make sure fouls are not committed after players release or pass the ball. In all cases, keep flow of the game while maintaining control. I checked the play mentioned here in the link posted. In my opinion, and from the camera angle, it is a foul and the PK is the correct call. I will also say that the ref is in better angle and closer than the camera. What the ref missed was a caution (YC) to the keeper. Thanks for the answer. I rewatched it and the foul occurred not even half a second after the shot was taken. I asked the question because a lot of people say that because he got the shot off, it's not a foul. I agree that while not reckless and in and of itself not necessarily worthing of a YC, it needs to be called a foul to prevent defenders from running through the opponent after a shot. Even if the offense occurred outside the box and was a pass and not a shot, I think a foul would have been called if there was no advantage. I was curious about the absence of a YC as well. I have never seen a PK awarded in the box before without a YC being pulled out. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 2, 2024 16:16:17 GMT -5
To answer your question, if a player gets ‘fouled’ (as described in LOTG 12) after the player releases the ball, the fouled should be given unless the referee can apply advantage. It doesn’t matter where in the field the foul takes place. Depending on the foul the restart is a DFK or IDFK. It’s common for certain players or teams to finish a close up on a player by following through with a foul, sometimes a trifling foul , sometimes a harsher one and not calling them may lead to later retaliation fouls; hence it is advisable for the referee to stay a split moment on the play before following the ball to make sure fouls are not committed after players release or pass the ball. In all cases, keep flow of the game while maintaining control. I checked the play mentioned here in the link posted. In my opinion, and from the camera angle, it is a foul and the PK is the correct call. I will also say that the ref is in better angle and closer than the camera. What the ref missed was a caution (YC) to the keeper. Thanks for the answer. I rewatched it and the foul occurred not even half a second after the shot was taken. I asked the question because a lot of people say that because he got the shot off, it's not a foul. I agree that while not reckless and in and of itself not necessarily worthing of a YC, it needs to be called a foul to prevent defenders from running through the opponent after a shot. Even if the offense occurred outside the box and was a pass and not a shot, I think a foul would have been called if there was no advantage. I was curious about the absence of a YC as well. I have never seen a PK awarded in the box before without a YC being pulled out. It would be nice if someone could clip this play and post it here for everyone to see it for those that do not want to pay or have no need for NFHS network. From what was described it sounded like a good call, but I still would love to see the video so I can see it with my own two eyes on whether i would call a PK or not. As far as yellow cards go, if the keeper (or other player) doesn't get the ball at all due to a late tackle or whatever most of the time I'm giving a yellow card to the defender because they are generally noticeably late on the tackle or trying purposely to stop the shot or attack by fouling the player (in 11v11 games I give that yellow most of the time, younger games I might not do it and only sternly warn them and coach them on why it was a foul). The only time I might not be is if they were making a play on the ball and we are talking about them barely missing it or just was like a fraction of a second late to the ball in kind of a bang/bang type play. This is why its so hard to just ask someone in words was something a foul or not. There is so much discretion given to referees you really have to have video of it, and even then you also need to know the flow of the game, how aggressive players are being, how many fouls have been called on certain players, the temperature of the game, etc..... |
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Post by triffling on May 2, 2024 17:40:56 GMT -5
So without seeing the video and I agree that it would be great to see a short clip, here are the considerations.
If it’s late, and I mean a shot is taken and then a second later the foul and it’s hard and with force then I am going PK with at least a caution for a reckless tackle or depending on angle and force, red card.
But if it’s literally a legit soccer play on the ball that happens a slight fraction of a second after the shot is taken and it’s not from a bad angle or with anything close to the force or speed or point of contact being reckless, then the calculus is different.
Was it fair and was it safe? Those are the two questions we ask ourselves on each and every bit of contact between players.
At the end of the day, the laws of the game are written by the players for the players and if you look at a challenge and ask yourself whether for the game and level being played do the players say yeah, great shot and great attempt to defend, then your opinion should generally be in line with those expectations. And the same is true of a foul. Is the contact beyond what the level of play expects to be considered fair and safe.
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Post by soccergurl on May 3, 2024 12:37:00 GMT -5
Can we talk about how horrible some of the officiating is in the GHSA playoffs (hell High School soccer in general?) It is the one reason I will never certify to referee High School. I may be good at refereeing, but I don't want to get stuck with a subpar crew like that was at the Northgate vs. Tucker game last night, so I will never certify for High School and will continue to only do Club refereeing. Center was all over the place with bad calls on both sides but most went against Northgate when it mattered. The biggest one handed Tucker the game. It was so blatant that if I can obtain video of the game or just that one sequence, I'm likely submitting it to David Gerson (refs need love too guy) for his analysis, GHSA, and the people that certify High School referees. As a referee I try not to make a mistake that changes the outcome of a game and most of the time I succeed at that. This guy gave the game to Tucker. So the play in question was in the first OT period. It was a 1-1 tie at that point. Tucker pretty much was playing nothing but boom ball all night. On one particular boom ball the striker two arm pushed off the defender to gain an advantage and then ran onto the ball where which it was an easy goal at that point. Northgate (like most schools) were playing a high line which had worked all night to keep them offside. Center Referee saw the push off, AR1 saw the push off. Heck the 4th official saw the push off. It was a clear advantage that gave the striker a good 8-10 yard gap once he shoved off the defender who actually lost balance a bit before gaining it back and running after striker. Horrible way to have a game decided by a lack of an easily made call. Other issues was Tucker insistent tackling and fouling behind the play after the ball was released that the referee only called about 1 out of 20 of those calls. Also Tucker striker tackling Northgate's keeper (which caused an injury to the keeper) after the keeper had possession of the ball. No foul, no yellow card, no nothing. That man has no business refereeing another GHSA soccer game ever in my opinion. I usually don't go hard on other referees (being that I am one as well), but he is exhibit A of why I will never certify to referee high school. The only thing I can be satisfied about is that the Tucker folks know they didn't earn that win, and also that Cass is going to beat the snot out of them next week. |me tink wen 'good ref' like u no certify, we get bad reffin| |me tink u get certify or quiet bout bad reffin|
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