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Post by fan on Mar 27, 2015 13:54:52 GMT -5
Does SSA South Georgia still exist? They had a couple U13 teams last season but don't seem to this season. Maybe they only play in the fall there due to school teams?
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Post by soccergator on Apr 2, 2015 13:33:08 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdad44 on Jun 2, 2015 12:35:51 GMT -5
Im not sure where youre getting your information from but at Forsyth UFA all teams have a minimum of tournaments they attend, some other teams will attend 1 or 2 more depending on the team or coach. As far as pooling top teams...it hasnt happened yet and this is the 3rd or 4th merge...yes 1 or 2 kids may migrate to the other locations if the team is stronger but thats gonna happen merger or not. As far as this merger taking a spot from any kids, i highly doubt anyone will commute 3.5 hours each way on a regular basis. And DA is not UFA, Georgia United is something between 3 or 4 clubs so they can play there whether we merge or not Pooling has begun between the Forsyth and Norcross locations. The U12s this year, others I'm sure will follow. The South Forsyth location is now the location where top teams will train as a central location for Norcross/Forsyth combined teams. Many kids on the top teams are now on the B team, and this has cascaded down the rosters. Parents and kids are furious, and many are moving on to new clubs and probably other sports. Yes, there is now 1 very strong U12 team that can play up and compete with CCF, but is U12 really the age where we should be limiting opportunities for kids? Next year they will probably add Milton into the mix and push more kids down. I believe that UFA is going to find out that the mega club model to produce 1 top team is not sustainable. There are too many options in Atlanta. Talented kids are not going to play on the B or C team when they can go somewhere else and be on the top team. And parents are not going to pay to be on the 7th or 10th team just because their club has some top team.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 2, 2015 12:39:46 GMT -5
Im not sure where youre getting your information from but at Forsyth UFA all teams have a minimum of tournaments they attend, some other teams will attend 1 or 2 more depending on the team or coach. As far as pooling top teams...it hasnt happened yet and this is the 3rd or 4th merge...yes 1 or 2 kids may migrate to the other locations if the team is stronger but thats gonna happen merger or not. As far as this merger taking a spot from any kids, i highly doubt anyone will commute 3.5 hours each way on a regular basis. And DA is not UFA, Georgia United is something between 3 or 4 clubs so they can play there whether we merge or not Pooling has begun between the Forsyth and Norcross locations. The U12s this year, others I'm sure will follow. The South Forsyth location is now the location where top teams will train as a central location for Norcross/Forsyth combined teams. Many kids on the top teams are now on the B team, and this has cascaded down the rosters. Parents and kids are furious, and many are moving on to new clubs and probably other sports. Yes, there is now 1 very strong U12 team that can play up and compete with CCF, but is U12 really the age where we should be limiting opportunities for kids? Next year they will probably add Milton into the mix and push more kids down. I believe that UFA is going to find out that the mega club model to produce 1 top team is not sustainable. There are too many options in Atlanta. Talented kids are not going to play on the B or C team when they can go somewhere else and be on the top team. And parents are not going to pay to be on the 7th or 10th team just because their club has some top team. This only happened with the u12 boys team, its not throughout the club
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Post by soccerdad44 on Jun 2, 2015 12:42:04 GMT -5
Pooling has begun between the Forsyth and Norcross locations. The U12s this year, others I'm sure will follow. The South Forsyth location is now the location where top teams will train as a central location for Norcross/Forsyth combined teams. Many kids on the top teams are now on the B team, and this has cascaded down the rosters. Parents and kids are furious, and many are moving on to new clubs and probably other sports. Yes, there is now 1 very strong U12 team that can play up and compete with CCF, but is U12 really the age where we should be limiting opportunities for kids? Next year they will probably add Milton into the mix and push more kids down. I believe that UFA is going to find out that the mega club model to produce 1 top team is not sustainable. There are too many options in Atlanta. Talented kids are not going to play on the B or C team when they can go somewhere else and be on the top team. And parents are not going to pay to be on the 7th or 10th team just because their club has some top team. This only happened with the u12 boys team, its not throughout the club It's the 1st age group they are doing this, and other will follow.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 2, 2015 13:25:22 GMT -5
This only happened with the u12 boys team, its not throughout the club It's the 1st age group they are doing this, and other will follow. And if it does i don't see it as a bad thing. As a big club they have the depth to create a really good team. This is no different that what SSA and CF already do
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Post by soccerdad44 on Jun 2, 2015 14:33:08 GMT -5
It's the 1st age group they are doing this, and other will follow. And if it does i don't see it as a bad thing. As a big club they have the depth to create a really good team. This is no different that what SSA and CF already do I don't know anything about SSA, but I'm not sure what CF does is comparable to what UFA is doing, which is merging and replacing 2 very competitive clubs/teams (UFA and Norcross) with a single team. A few kids benefit, but for the majority the merger means less opportunity: playing on a lower team, getting a lower coach, less nights of practice, going to lower tournaments, etc. The only pooling I've heard of at CF is voluntary. If you want to play on the Central elite team, go down there and try out. You want DA, go try out. But someone knows better than me, so I will be interested to hear if the pooling CF and SSA do is really comparable.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 2, 2015 14:39:36 GMT -5
And if it does i don't see it as a bad thing. As a big club they have the depth to create a really good team. This is no different that what SSA and CF already do I don't know anything about SSA, but I'm not sure what CF does is comparable to what UFA is doing, which is merging and replacing 2 very competitive clubs/teams (UFA and Norcross) with a single team. A few kids benefit, but for the majority the merger means less opportunity: playing on a lower team, getting a lower coach, less nights of practice, going to lower tournaments, etc. The only pooling I've heard of at CF is voluntary. If you want to play on the Central elite team, go down there and try out. You want DA, go try out. But someone knows better than me, so I will be interested to hear if the pooling CF and SSA do is really comparable. Getting a lower coach??? Im not familiar with Norcross coaches, but Velko is going to be coaching the Forsyth Red team. I would hardly refer to him as a lower coach.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 2, 2015 14:47:54 GMT -5
I don't know anything about SSA, but I'm not sure what CF does is comparable to what UFA is doing, which is merging and replacing 2 very competitive clubs/teams (UFA and Norcross) with a single team. A few kids benefit, but for the majority the merger means less opportunity: playing on a lower team, getting a lower coach, less nights of practice, going to lower tournaments, etc. The only pooling I've heard of at CF is voluntary. If you want to play on the Central elite team, go down there and try out. You want DA, go try out. But someone knows better than me, so I will be interested to hear if the pooling CF and SSA do is really comparable. Getting a lower coach??? Im not familiar with Norcross coaches, but Velko is going to be coaching the Forsyth Red team. I would hardly refer to him as a lower coach. have to agree. velko is as good as it gets!!
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Post by Keeperkeeper on Jun 2, 2015 15:03:11 GMT -5
I think I have to agree with SoccerMom here. It seems like they have had the opportunity to build a top-flight top team, and, it seems like they have build two great second teams. I have no children on those teams, but I have seen both the Forsyth and Norcross teams play at u11, and they were great. With DA moving down to u12, I think the approach has to change. Next year, some will try out for the pooled top team, others DA. So, they will be in a similar situation to CF (although DA next year will be expanding). Maybe they just decided to try a new approach this year as an experiment for next year?
It is my understanding that the "red" teams practice the same number of nights that the premier teams practice, and the coaches are good across levels. I also think this provides some incentive for players to improve on their own because they will desire to be on that top cross-club team. Should be interesting to watch this team over the next year, and I am interested to see if they do this with other teams. It has proven successful for CF and SSA.
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Post by stevieg on Jun 2, 2015 15:22:10 GMT -5
It's no different than what CF does at U13 (although they are not doing it on the girls' side next season from what I hear): An Elite team, a North Black team and a Central Black team.
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Post by Strikermom on Jun 2, 2015 19:16:00 GMT -5
Decent turnout for Norcross girls 14 and 15. Maybe 3 teams at 14 will be formed. First night guard to tell. Several headed to AFU for later session after
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Post by soccerdad44 on Jun 2, 2015 20:19:25 GMT -5
I see. I have to admit It makes sense for the club perspective, to try to build that 1 top team. But from the perspective of every parent/kid not on the top team, I haven't seen any convincing point that it isn't a step down. If there had not been a Norcorss merger, there would have been 32 kids playing top level U12 soccer next fall 11v11. After the merger there will only be 16. And don't tell me there are only 16 top level players. The coaches must have had to flip a coin for some of those decisions the talent is so equal across those teams. The U11 Forsyth red team has been ranked higher than the premier team most of the spring.
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Post by sidelinemama on Jun 2, 2015 20:44:49 GMT -5
Decent turnout for Norcross girls 14 and 15. Maybe 3 teams at 14 will be formed. First night guard to tell. Several headed to AFU for later session after I'm thinking there must have been TONS of girls at the U14 AFU tryouts. Anyone trying to break into ECNL is trying out there.
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Post by stevieg on Jun 2, 2015 22:00:43 GMT -5
Decent turnout for Norcross girls 14 and 15. Maybe 3 teams at 14 will be formed. First night guard to tell. Several headed to AFU for later session after I'm thinking there must have been TONS of girls at the U14 AFU tryouts. Anyone trying to break into ECNL is trying out there. I counted about 70 including keepers. To be fair, not all of those players are trying for ECNL or even RPL. But there are some coming tomorrow who didn't come today (from other clubs). Looks like all of the solid U13 team stayed plus others came in from surrounding clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 7:05:14 GMT -5
I see. I have to admit It makes sense for the club perspective, to try to build that 1 top team. But from the perspective of every parent/kid not on the top team, I haven't seen any convincing point that it isn't a step down. If there had not been a Norcorss merger, there would have been 32 kids playing top level U12 soccer next fall 11v11. After the merger there will only be 16. And don't tell me there are only 16 top level players. The coaches must have had to flip a coin for some of those decisions the talent is so equal across those teams. The U11 Forsyth red team has been ranked higher than the premier team most of the spring. Those rankings are meaningless.
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