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Post by touchlinedad on Feb 27, 2018 15:53:57 GMT -5
ECNL and ODP give very competitive play to kids not wanting to be bound to DA's archaic rule of no high school soccer. Teams from Georgia did well versus teams from other states btw. The no high school rule in Boys DA started back in 2012 and I think the system was doing fine without ECNL. But as soon as U.S. Soccer announces Girls DA, U.S. Club Soccer announces Boys ECNL. This is a power struggle between U.S. Soccer, U.S. Youth Soccer and U.S. Club Soccer. It certainly isn't about player development.
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Post by Keeper on Feb 27, 2018 23:31:41 GMT -5
You can’t just turn down R3PL, if Ga Soccer needs a team and feels your team is at a higher level then Athena A or Classic 1 then you have to play RPL or they won’t accept the team. It happens quite a bit with teams that are maybe 3rd or 4th place or do too well at State Cup and the other states can’t fill out their RPL requirements. Yes you can turn down RPL, no team or club can be forced to do it. that is why GA used to get so many spots cause other states could sometimes only fill 1 team and in GA everyone wanted that RPL spot even if they hadn't "earned it" That’s a grey area then because my first year coaching R3PL we had two teams that were forced to play up and were not allowed to drop to Athena A. The parents and coach were livid but because they were a smaller club they didn’t have any other options but to play RPL and lost nearly every game.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 28, 2018 0:17:03 GMT -5
Maybe they make you feel like you can't? Clubs don't like to turn it down because they figured it would attract kids if they had RPL and also its by GA soccer recommendation and maybe didn't want to be blacklisted
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 28, 2018 11:28:31 GMT -5
Maybe they make you feel like you can't? Clubs don't like to turn it down because they figured it would attract kids if they had RPL and also its by GA soccer recommendation and maybe didn't want to be blacklisted I do know of one club (that we have been a part of) that has turned down RPL on multiple occasions. The DOC feels it is unnecessary to be sending kids all over the place at young ages and that the financial burden it places on the parents is unnecessary as well. They also don't like to take too many trips out of state for tournaments for the same reason. He feels you can develop a tactically and technically high level player through practice and the competition right here within the state of Georgia.
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Post by zizou on Feb 28, 2018 13:28:56 GMT -5
ECNL and ODP give very competitive play to kids not wanting to be bound to DA's archaic rule of no high school soccer. Teams from Georgia did well versus teams from other states btw. The no high school rule in Boys DA started back in 2012 and I think the system was doing fine without ECNL. But as soon as U.S. Soccer announces Girls DA, U.S. Club Soccer announces Boys ECNL. This is a power struggle between U.S. Soccer, U.S. Youth Soccer and U.S. Club Soccer. It certainly isn't about player development. I think what people call the power struggle is totally about development. Sure, organizations would like to be self-sustaining, and the people in charge would like to make money. But an important reason ECNL was formed was that a subset of clubs decided their top players were underserved by the system. Too many non-competitive games they said. Even if they were providing top-notch training (and I am not saying this was true), the games were so poor that the best players just were not progressing. There was a leadership vacuum. ODP was not serving the purpose for enough players for multiple reasons. Etc Etc. I am not saying this was the best option. If USSF would have started DA for both boys and girls at same time chances are low ECNL would have happened. I can also tell you if this would have happened people would be griping at GDA the same way they gripe about ECNL. USSF has never ever been about development. They are still not about development. DA is about identification. Anything else they say is like listening to politicians spout falsehoods without shame. Anson Dorrance called them out on this recently. If USSF was interested in development they would pump as many resources as possible into the U-littles. The DA is happening too late and is really a poorly considered derivative concept. If the purpose of DA was to better develop better players for the NTs then, after 10 years of DA on the boy's side, one could say outcomes show the program has been a total failure and it should be abandoned. USSF is always running fast to catch up to methods that have passed them by. Sure, every pro team should have an academy, but this type of youth structure where the Federation anoints and isolates a certain number of clubs, after the critical soccer learning period is over, to do their bidding is a dereliction of duty. The reason ECNL exists for girls was a result of this leadership vacuum. The reason ECNL for boys was started was that a nontrivial proportion of the knowledgeable soccer hierarchy does not trust that USSF knows how to develop anything but a bank account. For example, it could be argued that US Club is miles ahead of USYSA and USSF for that matter on developing coaching and player education platforms. All USSF has to show for their coaching education is way too few highly trained educators at the U-little level because the classes are too few and too expensive. So, as you can tell, I do not resonate with any implication that organizations other than USSF or USYSA, both questionably run and both of whom it could be argued have been asleep at the wheel for years, are more deserving of any special status in any soccer hierarchy. I am also not saying US Club deserves any special place. But what we all deserve, and have deserved for some time, is an organization at the top of the hierarchy that is competent.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 28, 2018 13:54:22 GMT -5
And one of the big reasons from a club perspective is this: Georgia United helped start the arms race and chose to fully fund the academy program. Concorde then followed suit, Not sure about the rest of the country ---but if I'm pay for you to pay for my DA team and covering all of your expenses including travel, food, uniforms etc, there is no way I'm letting you play high school. We has the club have invested a lot of money into you etc.
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