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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 7, 2018 8:23:20 GMT -5
Any insiders know how many teams per age group will represent Georgia in the Piedmont conference and the National Tier?
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Post by ga3v3 on Jul 7, 2018 20:40:25 GMT -5
Piedmont Conference Boys 7-9 teams per age group with 2 divisions
Girls 4 teams per age group with 1 division
Not sure on NL
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on Jul 8, 2018 14:57:30 GMT -5
I was told we should have answers Monday the 9th.
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Post by USoCcer on Jul 16, 2018 10:38:08 GMT -5
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Post by newposter on Jul 16, 2018 17:13:06 GMT -5
I was a little surprised by a couple of teams in U16 Premier II. What's the criteria? Seems teams may be not as competitive? Several teams "Georgia Soccer recommended". One team struggled in C1. Just curious to others thoughts.
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Post by girlcoach on Jul 17, 2018 11:05:10 GMT -5
What is happening with NPL? Is it expanding to a full schedule? Many of the teams in NL are also in NPL, for example AFC, USA-MP, Charlotte, Discoveries, Triangle and I am sure there are others. Will these teams try to play both? That is a lot of games, a lot of travel and a lot of money. Will they drop out of NPL to concentrate on NL? Will they pull up one of their lower level teams to take their place? That could lead to some very lopsided results. Wouldn't it be better for the leagues to force teams to make a decision, either NL or NPL but not both?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 17, 2018 12:19:22 GMT -5
This is already done. GA Soccer will not promote a team to (or allow to stay in) NL if the the club has a team is playing in a US Club Soccer league (SCCL/ECNL/NPL/Super-Y). There were a few exceptions granted to clubs with teams in ECNL/Super-Y (AFU specifically, but I think there's one more).
Edit: The only clubs with teams in NPL that I know of are UFA, SSA and AFC.
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Post by girlcoach on Jul 17, 2018 13:20:56 GMT -5
It has been done in Georgia for the clubs who formed SCCL but not for clubs like AFC and AFU. It has also not been done by the other states. So what are AFC going to do, play both NPL and NL, move a lower level team up to fill one of those spots, or drop out of NPL?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 17, 2018 13:59:25 GMT -5
It has been done in Georgia for the clubs who formed SCCL but not for clubs like AFC and AFU. It has also not been done by the other states. So what are AFC going to do, play both NPL and NL, move a lower level team up to fill one of those spots, or drop out of NPL? I am not sure that it will matter if the clubs from other states also play NPL and NL. The NPL for girls is max of 10 teams and it was 9-10 last year. So chances are those NC and SC teams that play NPL will also play NL. 9 games of NPL plus 11 games of NL is not any more games than the NPL teams in Georgia played last year. They played 7-9 NPL games plus their NL/RPL/Athena schedules. The teams that lose out are UFA and SSA because Georgia prevents them from playing NL even though AFC gets to do both and so do all of the NC and SC teams.
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Post by starboard on Jul 17, 2018 17:26:53 GMT -5
It has been done in Georgia for the clubs who formed SCCL but not for clubs like AFC and AFU. It has also not been done by the other states. So what are AFC going to do, play both NPL and NL, move a lower level team up to fill one of those spots, or drop out of NPL? I am not sure that it will matter if the clubs from other states also play NPL and NL. The NPL for girls is max of 10 teams and it was 9-10 last year. So chances are those NC and SC teams that play NPL will also play NL. 9 games of NPL plus 11 games of NL is not any more games than the NPL teams in Georgia played last year. They played 7-9 NPL games plus their NL/RPL/Athena schedules. The teams that lose out are UFA and SSA because Georgia prevents them from playing NL even though AFC gets to do both and so do all of the NC and SC teams. My understanding is that the “New” SouthEast Atlantic NPL is carrying 10 teams (at least for some age levels) that will be playing each other twice, one home and one away resulting in an 18 game schedule. I am not sure but I do believe this schedule is through the fall (and does not extend (with maybe the exception of rescheduling due to weather) into winter/ spring). So to play an NPL and NL schedule in a 3-4 month period I think would be a lot of soccer. Though with NL, some tournaments games can count as league games (Disney, Vegas etc.) so that would help some with limiting number of games played since teams already do theses tourneys in addition to their seasons. It will be interesting to watch and see how it plays out.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 17, 2018 17:47:36 GMT -5
I am not sure that it will matter if the clubs from other states also play NPL and NL. The NPL for girls is max of 10 teams and it was 9-10 last year. So chances are those NC and SC teams that play NPL will also play NL. 9 games of NPL plus 11 games of NL is not any more games than the NPL teams in Georgia played last year. They played 7-9 NPL games plus their NL/RPL/Athena schedules. The teams that lose out are UFA and SSA because Georgia prevents them from playing NL even though AFC gets to do both and so do all of the NC and SC teams. My understanding is that the “New” SouthEast Atlantic NPL is carrying 10 teams (at least for some age levels) that will be playing each other twice, one home and one away resulting in an 18 game schedule. I am not sure but I do believe this schedule is through the fall (and does not extend (with maybe the exception of rescheduling due to weather) into winter/ spring). So to play an NPL and NL schedule in a 3-4 month period I think would be a lot of soccer. Though with NL, some tournaments games can count as league games (Disney, Vegas etc.) so that would help some with limiting number of games played since teams already do theses tourneys in addition to their seasons. It will be interesting to watch and see how it plays out. Well it would be great if it is an 18 game schedule, but I had heard that it will be spring and fall for the U14 and under and that ALL age groups would just play each other once in the fall (and younger age groups would play again in spring). They said 9 games total per season when we asked at our club. (That being said they seem a little clueless about how NPL is going to run.) It would be terrible for the U13 and U14 kids to not have a spring schedule and that wouldn't make sense at all. When it was an additional league for these clubs only playing fall made sense, but that would not be good for U13 and U14 kids. Now with SCCL I had heard home and away and a 14 game schedule and that is what their schedule shows.
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Post by starboard on Jul 17, 2018 18:19:56 GMT -5
My understanding is that the “New” SouthEast Atlantic NPL is carrying 10 teams (at least for some age levels) that will be playing each other twice, one home and one away resulting in an 18 game schedule. I am not sure but I do believe this schedule is through the fall (and does not extend (with maybe the exception of rescheduling due to weather) into winter/ spring). So to play an NPL and NL schedule in a 3-4 month period I think would be a lot of soccer. Though with NL, some tournaments games can count as league games (Disney, Vegas etc.) so that would help some with limiting number of games played since teams already do theses tourneys in addition to their seasons. It will be interesting to watch and see how it plays out. Well it would be great if it is an 18 game schedule, but I had heard that it will be spring and fall for the U14 and under and that ALL age groups would just play each other once in the fall (and younger age groups would play again in spring). They said 9 games total per season when we asked at our club. (That being said they seem a little clueless about how NPL is going to run.) It would be terrible for the U13 and U14 kids to not have a spring schedule and that wouldn't make sense at all. When it was an additional league for these clubs only playing fall made sense, but that would not be good for U13 and U14 kids. Now with SCCL I had heard home and away and a 14 game schedule and that is what their schedule shows. I have seen a tentative schedule for U15-U19 NPL and it is an 18 game schedule (appears to be teams playing each other twice) with all games being played through mid December. Not sure about younger age levels but I do recall a few games for U13-U14 being playied in March and April on this (tentative) schedule.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 17, 2018 19:11:40 GMT -5
Yea 18 game schedule and then new national league schedule would seem like to many games if a team from outside of Georgia attempted both.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 17, 2018 19:19:04 GMT -5
Well that is more than our club is giving us. We just we told that we can't play in an early August tournament because we will probably have league games that weekend.
I have seen some of the teams that are on NL for our age group and some of the teams that I thought might overlap with NPL actually appear to have put a different team from their club in NL. This is not true for AFC Lightning. In our age group they don't have a good second team so if they put their second team into NPL or NL they would get beaten badly...but who knows if they will or won't. someone mentioned TUSA in a previous post but TUSA says on their website that NPL is their top team and their next team is their highest classic team. Who knows what clubs will do? We will have to wait and see I guess.
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Post by surgesoccer on Jul 18, 2018 7:56:19 GMT -5
SCCL - 14 game schedule running from September 1 - December 16. (Based on Schedule)
NPL - Have not seen schedule but here are the teams in the South Atlantic Region. (I believe they will play cross over games between divisions. Surprised they do not have 3 more teams in Boys East. Boys West added 2 teams this year. Girls is a single division.)
Boys – West Division:
AFC Lightning (Ga.) Chattanooga FC Academy (Tenn.) FC Alliance (Tenn.) Southern Soccer Academy (Ga.) United Futbol Academy (Ga.)
Boys – East Division:
CSA Elite North/H’ville (N.C.) CSA Elite South (N.C.) Discoveries SC (S.C.) Lake Norman SC (N.C.) Triangle United Soccer Association (N.C.) USA Mount Pleasant (S.C.) USA Tormenta FC (Ga.) Wake FC (N.C.)
Girls:
AFC Lightning (Ga.) CSA Elite North/H’ville (N.C.) CSA Elite South (N.C.) Discoveries SC (S.C.) Lake Norman SC (N.C.) Southern Soccer Academy (Ga.) Triangle United Soccer Association (N.C.) United Futbol Academy (Ga.) United Soccer Academy (S.C.) Wake FC (N.C.)
As far as number of games in NPL will have to wait for schedules. I know last year in Classic 1 we played only 9 games for the Fall season and then 14 in the Spring.
NL: Have not seen a schedule but the linked pdf above shows which teams are in Premier 1 and Premier 2. Thinking premier 2 is what RPL was last year.
Classic 1: # of games depends upon how many teams in division. For our age group classic 1 will be made up of 80% of teams that were Classic 2 or 3 last year.
**In about 9 months we can see how all of these leagues panned out.
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Post by southsidesoccer on Jul 18, 2018 8:21:45 GMT -5
For NPL West boys, understand that they will play 8 in division games and 4 out of division games. So total of 12 games.
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Post by chuck on Jul 18, 2018 20:47:40 GMT -5
Looking at the NL pdf file with game dates it looks like there are 4 weekends with games, so maybe 8 games total for the Piedmont conference on the girls side. On the NPL side, looks like 10 teams with 20 games. Most teams aren’t going to do both Piedmont conf and NPL, on paper it looks like NPL offers more games
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Post by starboard on Jul 19, 2018 7:20:51 GMT -5
Looking at the NL pdf file with game dates it looks like there are 4 weekends with games, so maybe 8 games total for the Piedmont conference on the girls side. On the NPL side, looks like 10 teams with 20 games. Most teams aren’t going to do both Piedmont conf and NPL, on paper it looks like NPL offers more games Thinking that would be 10 NPL teams with 18 NPL games since each team is seemingly playing each other twice, one home and one away against each team in the league.
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Post by defensewins on Jul 19, 2018 10:07:32 GMT -5
Looking at the NL pdf file with game dates it looks like there are 4 weekends with games, so maybe 8 games total for the Piedmont conference on the girls side. On the NPL side, looks like 10 teams with 20 games. Most teams aren’t going to do both Piedmont conf and NPL, on paper it looks like NPL offers more games There will be 11 NL games for girls in the Piedmont conference. The weekends listed in the document don't include the game dates vs in-state opponents. There are 12 teams per age group. So, teams all play each other once.
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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2018 11:45:10 GMT -5
Yep so 5 weekends for games. It looks like a few S.C. based teams are also playing in their states challenge league as well to make up for lack of games. The other concern here is teams being promoted to this league to fill slots as teams left to play in other leagues.
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Post by girlcoach on Jul 19, 2018 12:54:50 GMT -5
If NPL is 9 games that would make a total of 20 games. That is a lot but about the same as last year. If NPL is 18 games, it is impossible for one team to play both leagues. So at U16G for example, that would mean AFC would move up a team that finished third in Athena C to play in NL. That is absurd.
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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2018 14:24:22 GMT -5
If NPL is 9 games that would make a total of 20 games. That is a lot but about the same as last year. If NPL is 18 games, it is impossible for one team to play both leagues. So at U16G for example, that would mean AFC would move up a team that finished third in Athena C to play in NL. That is absurd. That is what is happening in SC
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Post by girlcoach on Jul 19, 2018 16:56:43 GMT -5
Potentially that could happen with 6 of the 12 teams in the division. They wouldn't be the teams that qualified for NL, they would be the next team down for each club. The teams that qualified would be playing NPL. What a mess that would be. The NL would have allowed itself to be destroyed by its main competitor. Hopefully all this speculation turns out to be incorrect.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 29, 2018 20:42:09 GMT -5
So the NPL schedule is out and for girls they are playing 12-13 games in the fall for high school age kids and 6-10 games in the fall for the middle school kids. It looks very possible for the teams like AFC Lightning, CSA, USA Mt pleasant, and others to play both Piedmont League and NPL. It will be a lot of games, but I bet they are going to make it happen.
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Post by starboard on Jul 29, 2018 21:43:47 GMT -5
So the NPL schedule is out and for girls they are playing 12-13 games in the fall for high school age kids and 6-10 games in the fall for the middle school kids. It looks very possible for the teams like AFC Lightning, CSA, USA Mt pleasant, and others to play both Piedmont League and NPL. It will be a lot of games, but I bet they are going to make it happen. Huh? Girls South Atlantic NPL schedule I have seen has U15-U18 playing 18 games finishing mid December, and U12-U14 playing about the same (maybe a couple more) but through the end of April.
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Post by chuck on Jul 29, 2018 21:51:48 GMT -5
Schedule for the HS age girls are at 18 games IIRC. The schedules and teams are listed for the Piedmont conference and the S.C. based NPL teams have pulled out of region 3 Piedmont conf,only playing NPL this year due to amount of games and level of competition. For the PC, SC youth soccer promoted a few clubs from state Challenge league.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 29, 2018 22:06:09 GMT -5
So the NPL schedule is out and for girls they are playing 12-13 games in the fall for high school age kids and 6-10 games in the fall for the middle school kids. It looks very possible for the teams like AFC Lightning, CSA, USA Mt pleasant, and others to play both Piedmont League and NPL. It will be a lot of games, but I bet they are going to make it happen. Huh? Girls South Atlantic NPL schedule I have seen has U15-U18 playing 18 games finishing mid December, and U12-U14 playing about the same (maybe a couple more) but through the end of April. They are playing a total of 18 games but they aren't all in the fall. U17 UFA for example... events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=66771&FieldID=0&applicationID=4763384&action=GoThe U13 and U14 are playing 18 games also but they have fewer games in the fall...it is more even schedule for most teams.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 29, 2018 22:11:02 GMT -5
Schedule for the HS age girls are at 18 games IIRC. The schedules and teams are listed for the Piedmont conference and the S.C. based NPL teams have pulled out of region 3 Piedmont conf,only playing NPL this year due to amount of games and level of competition. For the PC, SC youth soccer promoted a few clubs from state Challenge league. So this is true for all age groups or just HS? I saw that USA Mt Pleasant 05 girls is in NPL and Piedmont has USA Tormenta listed. However, Discoveries SC is listed in both. In Georgia AFC Lightning is planning to do both from what I heard. They are the only girls team that could do both. No idea what NC teams are doing...
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Post by krazykickers on Jul 29, 2018 22:32:32 GMT -5
No idea on the girls side but for the boys in N.C. this is what I know of as at this time. DA: NCFC, CSA, Carolina Rapids, N.C. Fusion, Queen City Mutiny
National League: PTFC & an older NCFC team
2nd teams ECNL: NCFC, Carolina Rapids, NC Fusion Piedmont Division (formerly region 3) does not play any Ga teams 3rd, 4th, 5th NCFC teams; 1st teams of: Wake FC, Highland Futbol, SASL etc.
NPL: Wake FC, possibly TUSA
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Post by girlcoach on Jul 30, 2018 11:40:44 GMT -5
For U16G, AFC Lightning have 12 NPL games in the fall and 12 NL games, 24 games total without counting any tournaments they might play. They have 6 NPL games in the spring. That is a lot of games and a lot of travel. The other clubs who are in both NL and NPL at that age are CSA South, CSA North, USA MP, Discoveries, Triangle. I don't know if they are planning to play the same teams in both leagues or split two teams between NL and NPL.
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