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Post by footballer on May 20, 2019 16:31:31 GMT -5
What are you guys on? It’s a regular, run of the mill rule for all levels of soccer and people and coaches that don’t adhere to it are freaking sleazy. What drug are you on? Provide us the written us DA rule where it states your claim otherwise it's just hearsay or you maybe DA sheep. We are waiting to see the rule and consequences for breaking it. I hope it doesnt take too long to dig for it
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 20, 2019 16:32:22 GMT -5
It’s during the season, dude, so of course. It’s like that for every team at any level and taken more seriously the higher the level you play. And if someone is practicing on trial with our team you can bet your ass he either has approval, is not on another team, or moving from out of town. The question is why that’s such an “EFFFing” shocker for you. This is true, sort of. I am aware of players trialing for other clubs that I KNOW did not get approval, but they are running a risk if someone finds out. I think most clubs assume the ID camps in May are exceptions for this needing approval rule. I guess not for some places and maybe they told them that ahead of time (don't go anywhere else until the week of tryouts). When talking about being "during the season" even tryouts are during the season for DA and ECNL and some NPL and SCCL and NL teams due to showcases and national cups/championships.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 20, 2019 16:32:24 GMT -5
What are you guys on? It’s a regular, run of the mill rule for all levels of soccer and people and coaches that don’t adhere to it are freaking sleazy. What drug are you on? Provide us the written us DA rule where it states your claim otherwise it's just hearsay or you maybe DA sheep. We are waiting to see the rule and consequences for breaking it. I hope it doesnt take too long to dig for it See last post on first page for rule
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 20, 2019 16:39:18 GMT -5
GA Soccer is pretty clear about this shady stuff as well. It’s not just DA, it’s just da common sense.
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Post by footballer on May 20, 2019 17:20:49 GMT -5
What drug are you on? Provide us the written us DA rule where it states your claim otherwise it's just hearsay or you maybe DA sheep. We are waiting to see the rule and consequences for breaking it. I hope it doesnt take too long to dig for it See last post on first page for rule I think it's a pretty dumb rule in pay to play system. The rule as stated in the guideline is for players requesting transfer or training with another team during the season. This does not apply if the player has not formally requested a release, transfer or training with another club. It's okay to check other clubs out to see particularly since you are paying for it. Players do this all the time at all levels. Even coaches and directors do the same.
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on May 20, 2019 17:43:44 GMT -5
Kind of harsh for kids to ride the bench for a game for looking at other options, while the coach is already out the door at seasons end don't you think?
To me it seems unfair just like in college when a coach can leave anytime to coach at another university, while a student/athlete is penalized and needs to jump through hoops just to transfer.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 20, 2019 18:28:36 GMT -5
Kind of harsh for kids to ride the bench for a game for looking at other options, while the coach is already out the door at seasons end don't you think? To me it seems unfair just like in college when a coach can leave anytime to coach at another university, while a student/athlete is penalized and needs to jump through hoops just to transfer. Unfortunately life isn't fair. Players are at the mercy of their teams/contracts more than coaches are. I agree it seems hypocritical but those are the rules.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 20, 2019 19:11:32 GMT -5
Not a surprise that DA would have a rule that favors clubs not players.
ECNL, NPL, SCCL coaches are not subject to GA Soccer/USYS rules.
Even if you DO get permission, do you honestly think there wont be repurcussions? Likely diminished playing time.
ID camps are a free market and it should be so...in a pay to play market.
The other option is GA soccer, et al could move tryouts to late June/July allowing June for shopping around. As it is the rules favor the clubs for maintaining players. Coaches in USYS cannot even contact other players until the DAY BEFORE tryouts...and without ID camps they wouldnt even know who might be interested...unless we want clubs to start paying 3rd party scouts...
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Post by papacoach on May 20, 2019 19:11:53 GMT -5
Perfect way to ensure players that were weighing options will leave
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 20, 2019 19:11:54 GMT -5
I will copy the section that was referenced: 3. Transfers during a season must be sent to DA Staff and the staff shall review and have the authority to approve or deny a transfer of a player in all circumstances. In general, a player who wishes to transfer to a new DA team during the season should obtain a release from their original DA Club in writing before transferring or communicating with another club. a) In all other circumstances, the DA Club has the discretion to transfer / release or not transfer / release the player during the Academy Season. b) Prior to approval by DA Staff of a transfer request, players may not train or otherwise participate with a DA team with which they are not officially rostered. c) If a player trains with another DA team prior to receiving a release, they may not be permitted to transfer to that DA Club.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 20, 2019 19:51:10 GMT -5
Part of the issue is you can’t have teams fall apart 1/2 through the season with kids leaving to go to other clubs.
Honestly - coaches should encourage kids to go to other clubs ID sessions - great opportunity for your players to recruit kids over to the mothership!
Rules are rules - if the coach has in the past clearly communicated with the parents and players about the rules and expectations then I find it acceptable to sit them. However - if it’s really never been discussed then it’s probably not right.
Either way - it’s the coaches call and I respect his decision here (regardless of what I just babbled)
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 20, 2019 21:28:29 GMT -5
So to bring this back to what the OP dropped on here...
Looking at club sites, he's currently u13 and u14 DA coach (in addition to DA director). NTH's current u14 ECNL (upcoming u15) boys sit last in table... is he replacing BWade? Or is he to replace current u15 (sitting in 4th, upcoming u16s)? - BWade also coaches that team.
@soccerhouse Who was RA asked to "head coach" for and be on the bench for games?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 20, 2019 21:39:02 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure it’s Kks team - could be wrong. Was told the story the other night by a good friend
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on May 20, 2019 22:17:07 GMT -5
From what I’ve been told, RA will coach U15 & U16 boys ECNL. This year’s NASA boys U14 ECNL record is meaningless regarding next year’s U15s. NASA’s U14 DA from this year (a pretty good group) will make up the majority of next year’s U15 ECNL team along with several players following RA over to NASA from CF’s U14 DA team (21 wins, 5 draws, 4 losses this year). They will be a very good U15 ECNL team next year along with CF, whose current ECNL U14s made the playoffs and will be stronger next year as well.
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Post by soccerfan5 on May 21, 2019 8:58:58 GMT -5
Do you know who will be the NTH 05 ECNL coach if not RA?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 21, 2019 12:20:25 GMT -5
It’s during the season, dude, so of course. It’s like that for every team at any level and taken more seriously the higher the level you play. And if someone is practicing on trial with our team you can bet your ass he either has approval, is not on another team, or moving from out of town. The question is why that’s such an “EFFFing” shocker for you. This is true, sort of. I am aware of players trialing for other clubs that I KNOW did not get approval, but they are running a risk if someone finds out. I think most clubs assume the ID camps in May are exceptions for this needing approval rule. I guess not for some places and maybe they told them that ahead of time (don't go anywhere else until the week of tryouts). When talking about being "during the season" even tryouts are during the season for DA and ECNL and some NPL and SCCL and NL teams due to showcases and national cups/championships. I personally don't see an issue with attending an ID camp in May, especially when you factor in two full teams, from two different clubs by two different coaches are merging or aligning into one U15 super team that will be coached by one of the coaches, the writing may be on the wall. I do know in the past UFA or GA United would send out an email reminding players, parents and families of their obligations and rules et.al. around the tryouts window period. This is akin to working for Coke and going for an interview with Pepsi. Is there a rule against interviewing with Pepsi, absolutely not, unless your contract expressly forbids it. However, don't think it won't tick off your boss if they find out you were interviewing somewhere else, especially a rival. To me an ID camp is similar to a headhunter telling you about an opportunity somewhere else. You're not committing to an interview but just hearing them out. Having said all that, I hardly doubt a coach who has your best interests at heart will have an issue with you sitting down with them and explaining what you're trying to do and why. Much like if you sit your manager down and explaining to them that your best chance for upward mobility is to potentially move on. So for some of the lads that went to the UFA ID Camp from CF, they did talk to RA and explained that the primary reason for going is that they can't easily make it to practices in Marietta. He was fine with their explanation and blessed them attending the ID Camp.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 21, 2019 12:27:11 GMT -5
Can't be fun driving to SSA fields from anywhere east of 400 from 4:30 to 6:30 every night. Should be an interesting process making that 05 team. With RA leaving wonder how much input he'll have on kids.
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 21, 2019 12:51:11 GMT -5
Does someone have knowledge that a new coach or director will be from SSA and that a team will be run out of Marietta? Or is that just forum fodder?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 21, 2019 12:56:17 GMT -5
Does someone have knowledge that a new coach or director will be from SSA and that a team will be run out of Marietta? Or is that just forum fodder? I have zero knowledge, was just rolling with what someone wrote above -- forum fodder from me for sure....
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 21, 2019 13:22:41 GMT -5
Does someone have knowledge that a new coach or director will be from SSA and that a team will be run out of Marietta? Or is that just forum fodder? From what I have heard, it is sounding more and more like for RA's old team, they will do 2 x 2. With two days being out at the Franklin complex and two days at their current location. This was to accommodate those east of 400. For sure the coach for the U15s will be from SSA as in the current U14s coach SD.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 21, 2019 14:10:17 GMT -5
...a coach who has your best interests at heart... Phrase of the day, that.
Not saying that there aren't plenty that do, but there are plenty that are vindictive and petty. Up to you if you want to risk finding out which kind you've got.
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