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Post by docnfulton on Aug 29, 2017 22:59:00 GMT -5
Fire away with any questions you may have and ill respond if possible
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Post by randomparent on Aug 30, 2017 6:30:01 GMT -5
whats an agc?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 30, 2017 7:41:27 GMT -5
Do AGCs independently select the groupings? Or is it a commitee effort?
Do AGCs use soccer in college and got soccer to look at results for younger age groups?
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Post by TheMadOx on Aug 30, 2017 7:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by randomparent on Aug 30, 2017 8:23:47 GMT -5
hah. i thought it meant "a girls coach"
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Post by jash on Aug 30, 2017 10:17:22 GMT -5
Fire away with any questions you may have and ill respond if possible This is awesome. First, thanks for your volunteer service to the GA Soccer community. What do you and other AGCs wish that all the parents and players knew about GA Soccer? That is, what is the "if they only knew" thing or things that you wish they understood?
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Post by soccerlegacy on Aug 30, 2017 12:07:55 GMT -5
1) Do the AGC's hate the age mandate change as much as the majority of parents do?
2) Are you or other AGC's ticked off that no body from U.S. Soccer is willing to listen to any of the concerns or suggestions from AGC's or parents have when it comes to figuring out what is best for the majority of participants and the growth of the sport?
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Post by rifle on Aug 30, 2017 16:47:54 GMT -5
Is "relative age effect" the biggest bunch of horse crap you ever heard?
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Post by toonarmy on Aug 31, 2017 10:39:32 GMT -5
Explain to me how an Athena B team that finished 3 from bottom in their age group ended up being "promoted" to Athena A?
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Post by chelsea14 on Aug 31, 2017 11:27:46 GMT -5
Can you explain how a team keeps a classic 1 spot when it finished at very bottom of classic 1, added an ecnl team which uses most of the players from the classic 1 team, thus brings up players from its classic 2 team which finished dead last to play on the classic one team? I know it is political but I'd love to hear how they try and justify keeping this spot. Every team in classic 2 deserves the spot over that team
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 17:49:25 GMT -5
Do AGCs independently select the groupings? Or is it a commitee effort? Do AGCs use soccer in college and got soccer to look at results for younger age groups? U13 is different than the other age groups which have previous seasons and player history. Each AGC handles their age group and have their own approach. Soccer in college is there but is not reliable for precision; I.e, if a team is 7th vs 12th. Affiliate members have pushed back on most attempts to bring more data and structure to bear. Some DOCs and clubs are very helpful some not at all
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 17:51:59 GMT -5
Fire away with any questions you may have and ill respond if possible This is awesome. First, thanks for your volunteer service to the GA Soccer community. What do you and other AGCs wish that all the parents and players knew about GA Soccer? That is, what is the "if they only knew" thing or things that you wish they understood? 1. No coach can tell you what level you will be at during Tryouts. 2. Don't sweat where a team is or a player is at U13
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 17:55:05 GMT -5
1) Do the AGC's hate the age mandate change as much as the majority of parents do? 2) Are you or other AGC's ticked off that no body from U.S. Soccer is willing to listen to any of the concerns or suggestions from AGC's or parents have when it comes to figuring out what is best for the majority of participants and the growth of the sport? 1) it was a major headache last year. This year I see more teams reforming at their correct age group vs last year where there were more mixed teams especially at smaller clubs
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 17:57:48 GMT -5
1) Do the AGC's hate the age mandate change as much as the majority of parents do? 2) Are you or other AGC's ticked off that no body from U.S. Soccer is willing to listen to any of the concerns or suggestions from AGC's or parents have when it comes to figuring out what is best for the majority of participants and the growth of the sport? 1) it was a major headache last year. This year I see more teams reforming at their correct age group vs last year where there were more mixed teams especially at smaller clubs 2). Violent agreement that this was a lot of upheaval for youth soccer without much rigor, evaluation etc.
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 18:06:01 GMT -5
Explain to me how an Athena B team that finished 3 from bottom in their age group ended up being "promoted" to Athena A? A lot of factors you may not realize when it comes to placement, can't answer specifics for this year 1) total number of teams in an age group 2) Direction from affiliates to have max 13 team divisions with rare exceptions 3) what a team declares/asks for. You would be surprised that several teams refuse promotion 4) resistance to 2-3 divisions at same level first year we have had two CL-1 U13 divisions
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 18:13:27 GMT -5
Can you explain how a team keeps a classic 1 spot when it finished at very bottom of classic 1, added an ecnl team which uses most of the players from the classic 1 team, thus brings up players from its classic 2 team which finished dead last to play on the classic one team? I know it is political but I'd love to hear how they try and justify keeping this spot. Every team in classic 2 deserves the spot over that team I cannot. I haven't followed all of the different issues this year for each age group. we are asked to provide input which I do. I will say AGC is an extremely time consuming position, clubs and teams have short memories when it comes to their pleading, there is more parity than most folks want to admit.
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Aug 31, 2017 18:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 31, 2017 18:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Aug 31, 2017 18:59:05 GMT -5
U19B. What the heck is that? Did the AGC pick the wrong week to stop sniffing glue or something?
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Post by paterfamilias on Aug 31, 2017 19:53:59 GMT -5
Thank you for taking the time to answer the questions. It is indeed a thanks task AGCs have.
No good deed goes unpunished...
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 21:01:22 GMT -5
U19B. What the heck is that? Did the AGC pick the wrong week to stop sniffing glue or something? AGC is the Georgia Soccer President (don't know if he had the age group last year). 40 teams asked for CL-I, so I believe his logic was it is U19/give it to them. I'm unsure what he will do with State Cup seedings, which is part of the pushback on more than one CL-I/ATH-A division.
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Post by docnfulton on Aug 31, 2017 21:10:24 GMT -5
Is "relative age effect" the biggest bunch of horse crap you ever heard? I recall seeing a paper from the FA about ten years ago regarding relative age effect at that time. Their data supported that it existed but spoke more about coaching bias non-physical attributes of players in the 4th quartile (emotional/mental maturity). FA spoke more about how to combat relative age effect through coaching behavior. It didn't align very well last year with teams/new age groups. U14 Boys was the largest, strongest of the age groups last year, with a portion of strong teams that played up several players/stayed together as a team (jumped from U12 to U14) plus large club 2003's. Some very strong teams with underage player.
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Post by spectator on Aug 31, 2017 21:47:42 GMT -5
U19B. What the heck is that? Did the AGC pick the wrong week to stop sniffing glue or something? AGC is the Georgia Soccer President (don't know if he had the age group last year). 40 teams asked for CL-I, so I believe his logic was it is U19/give it to them. I'm unsure what he will do with State Cup seedings, which is part of the pushback on more than one CL-I/ATH-A division. I assume that by U19, at least half the teams won't even apply for State Cup since most if not all of the players will have graduated the week before. Unless it's a top team vying for a Regional/National title - it's why at least on the girls side, you rarely see the full deck of 16 teams playing State Cup. Or you just have a boat load of play in games? Time will tell.
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Post by alacrity174 on Sept 1, 2017 8:24:13 GMT -5
AGC is the Georgia Soccer President (don't know if he had the age group last year). 40 teams asked for CL-I, so I believe his logic was it is U19/give it to them. I'm unsure what he will do with State Cup seedings, which is part of the pushback on more than one CL-I/ATH-A division. I assume that by U19, at least half the teams won't even apply for State Cup since most if not all of the players will have graduated the week before. Unless it's a top team vying for a Regional/National title - it's why at least on the girls side, you rarely see the full deck of 16 teams playing State Cup. Or you just have a boat load of play in games? Time will tell. Or like happened this year you have teams of College players, who still qualify, form to play State Cup. Going to be very interesting again this year
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 1, 2017 16:45:35 GMT -5
Thanks docnfulton Great stuff and your a huge asset to this community!!! Do you ever ask coaches or clubs about other teams they have competed against for their opinions as well?
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Post by docnfulton on Sept 1, 2017 22:30:50 GMT -5
Thanks docnfulton Great stuff and your a huge asset to this community!!! Do you ever ask coaches or clubs about other teams they have competed against for their opinions as well? Yes especially at U13 we will ask top team coaches for their input.
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Post by Yellow Card on Sept 11, 2017 0:51:04 GMT -5
What do you think about strong U12 teams playing up at U13 in a lower level to prepare the team for its true U13 season?
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Post by docnfulton on Sept 11, 2017 5:59:58 GMT -5
What do you think about strong U12 teams playing up at U13 in a lower level to prepare the team for its true U13 season? My opinion is that teams perform better at U13 by playing up at U12. Some smaller clubs do this to get 11v11 games in the Spring against non A-level teams or just games in general. Typically in Spring it is difficult to find U12 11v11 games unless it is against 1st teams from large clubs. Clubs have resisted creating a U12 Classic/Athena division yet moved forward with U12 DA. I don't have a good feel for adjustment in training focus of U12 teams playing up related to development/technical vs 11v11 tactical training.
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Post by jash on Sept 11, 2017 10:27:43 GMT -5
Do you think that if 11v11 at U12 becomes the standard, that clubs will start playing 11v11 at U11 (some clubs ARE already doing this from what I've heard) so the teams will be better prepared for U12? Then 11v11 at U11 will become the standard, so clubs will start playing 11v11 at U10 so that teams will be better prepared for U11? Leaving out a few steps, will we start to see 11v11 at U6 so that teams will be better prepared for 11v11 at U7?
Obviously I'm in favor of picking a standard and sticking with it. If there are specific players ready for the bigger field (unlikely in most cases) then let them play up on a higher age team if they can handle it. Otherwise, pick your standard and stick with it. How do you prevent (or should you prevent) this from happening if clubs continue to creep the 11v11 age down?
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Post by docnfulton on Sept 11, 2017 15:21:48 GMT -5
Do you think that if 11v11 at U12 becomes the standard, that clubs will start playing 11v11 at U11 (some clubs ARE already doing this from what I've heard) so the teams will be better prepared for U12? Then 11v11 at U11 will become the standard, so clubs will start playing 11v11 at U10 so that teams will be better prepared for U11? Leaving out a few steps, will we start to see 11v11 at U6 so that teams will be better prepared for 11v11 at U7? Obviously I'm in favor of picking a standard and sticking with it. If there are specific players ready for the bigger field (unlikely in most cases) then let them play up on a higher age team if they can handle it. Otherwise, pick your standard and stick with it. How do you prevent (or should you prevent) this from happening if clubs continue to creep the 11v11 age down? I don't think 11v11 will become the standard. DA 9v9 vs 11v11 at U13 is in conflict with this for the bigger clubs. I think that is the more interesting experiment that US Soccer has convinced/forced large clubs to be part of. With 120-150 of the top 250 players in ga soccer 2004 boys playing an extra year of small-sided play, arguably the cream of the crop, what will those 2004 participants look like at U15 vs those with an extra year of 11v11 play? I'm not close enough to DA to have an opinion or have much data on retention and individual development
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Post by Keeper on Sept 11, 2017 15:25:05 GMT -5
The 11v11 argument is very easy to win. If 9v9 until U15 was good enough for Messi then it should be more then plenty good enough for the rest of the world and especially US Soccer. Someone higher up needs to grow a pair and make this push especially with all the other changes in the last two years.
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