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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 16, 2018 15:05:06 GMT -5
We should have a U12 State Cup lol
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 16, 2018 15:06:17 GMT -5
We should have a U12 State Cup lol love it!! would be great! have it in atlanta! Academy cup on crack! |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Mar 16, 2018 15:14:15 GMT -5
Going to be very interesting how these mega clubs determine what players/locations participate in the SCCL. Location of training, selection of players ==== messy messy messy ugly ugly ugly this thing will be sold as the next great thing at these clubs - obviously after DA and ECNL. So long State Cup, now your getting the 3rd teams from UFA, the 4th teams from concorde, the 2nd/3rd teams from NASA/Tophat (boys/girls). So so strange. This will be sold as the next "elite" thing and will still have increased costs equivalent if not more than before. Hmmm... if your at one of the SCCL clubs you have these issues. If your at one of the "not good enough" clubs you still get RPL with a lesser travel distance and therefore, less cost. You just might not get to play against the "Big 5's" 2nd, 3rd, 4th teams at State Cup... if ... Ga Soccer plays hard ball and doesn't allow there involvement. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 16, 2018 15:47:48 GMT -5
Going to be very interesting how these mega clubs determine what players/locations participate in the SCCL. Location of training, selection of players ==== messy messy messy ugly ugly ugly this thing will be sold as the next great thing at these clubs - obviously after DA and ECNL. So long State Cup, now your getting the 3rd teams from UFA, the 4th teams from concorde, the 2nd/3rd teams from NASA/Tophat (boys/girls). So so strange. This will be sold as the next "elite" thing and will still have increased costs equivalent if not more than before. Hmmm... if your at one of the SCCL clubs you have these issues. If your at one of the "not good enough" clubs you still get RPL with a lesser travel distance and therefore, less cost. You just might not get to play against the "Big 5's" 2nd, 3rd, 4th teams at State Cup... if ... Ga Soccer plays hard ball and doesn't allow there involvement. Its a lot of $$ though they would lose if they kick those 5 clubs out. We just have to sit back and wait and see what GA Soccer does now |
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 16, 2018 15:50:41 GMT -5
Going to be very interesting how these mega clubs determine what players/locations participate in the SCCL. Location of training, selection of players ==== messy messy messy ugly ugly ugly this thing will be sold as the next great thing at these clubs - obviously after DA and ECNL. So long State Cup, now your getting the 3rd teams from UFA, the 4th teams from concorde, the 2nd/3rd teams from NASA/Tophat (boys/girls). So so strange. This will be sold as the next "elite" thing and will still have increased costs equivalent if not more than before. Hmmm... if your at one of the SCCL clubs you have these issues. If your at one of the "not good enough" clubs you still get RPL with a lesser travel distance and therefore, less cost. You just might not get to play against the "Big 5's" 2nd, 3rd, 4th teams at State Cup... if ... Ga Soccer plays hard ball and doesn't allow there involvement. GA soccer gets paid per registered player. Check out how much they have made since 2012. projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/581361357More than any of the clubs in GA. So, again money and power struggle. I don’t want my child in the middle. Sucks that we can’t join together for a better future ☹️ |
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Post by surgesoccer on Mar 16, 2018 16:05:21 GMT -5
Just curious, will UFA, Concorde, etc. field one club team or will they field teams by location. Combined UFA or Fowler, Norcross, etc? Same for Concorde.. one team or North, South and Central teams?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 16, 2018 19:32:34 GMT -5
Just curious, will UFA, Concorde, etc. field one club team or will they field teams by location. Combined UFA or Fowler, Norcross, etc? Same for Concorde.. one team or North, South and Central teams? From what I've been told it's going to be one team per club. So if your club has DA only, you would be the second team or in UFA's case Premier team. In UFA's case since they've also applied for ECNL, which I believe is going to be run out of Norcross to keep in compliance with the rules that it be at a different location from the DA location, if they get it, then you would be the 3rd team. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 16, 2018 19:56:24 GMT -5
Ha - do during all the Concorde losing ecnl or DA talk, ufa was applying for ecnl? Why would they be accepted given those conversations.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 16, 2018 20:31:13 GMT -5
Tun Tun Tun....and the plot thickens....
This is very new, like a few days new. Norcross is a separate entity as are all locations. Not sure what ECNL will do.
UFA has applied for ECNL for years and always turned down. Now ECNL comes knocking because of the whole DA/ECNL power struggle. Forsyth is not going to give up DA after they fought so hard to get it
Oh and btw....I found out that SSA top team will still play RPL, their 2nd team will be in the new league
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 16, 2018 20:31:50 GMT -5
Just curious, will UFA, Concorde, etc. field one club team or will they field teams by location. Combined UFA or Fowler, Norcross, etc? Same for Concorde.. one team or North, South and Central teams? From what I've been told it's going to be one team per club. So if your club has DA only, you would be the second team or in UFA's case Premier team. In UFA's case since they've also applied for ECNL, which I believe is going to be run out of Norcross to keep in compliance with the rules that it be at a different location from the DA location, if they get it, then you would be the 3rd team. Wow! Another club with DA and ECNL in metro Atlanta? That seems to be pushing it a bit. Plus, I had heard that the other Atlanta ECNL clubs had kept UFA out for years. Why would that change? Plus if 3 clubs in the group have both ECNL and DA and GSA has ECNL why would SSA want to play their top girls team against 3 3rd teams and 1 second team? This whole thing seems like a big mess. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 16, 2018 21:12:32 GMT -5
From what I've been told it's going to be one team per club. So if your club has DA only, you would be the second team or in UFA's case Premier team. In UFA's case since they've also applied for ECNL, which I believe is going to be run out of Norcross to keep in compliance with the rules that it be at a different location from the DA location, if they get it, then you would be the 3rd team. Wow! Another club with DA and ECNL in metro Atlanta? That seems to be pushing it a bit. Plus, I had heard that the other Atlanta ECNL clubs had kept UFA out for years. Why would that change? Plus if 3 clubs in the group have both ECNL and DA and GSA has ECNL why would SSA want to play their top girls team against 3 3rd teams and 1 second team? This whole thing seems like a big mess. SSA is not putting their top team in new league, theyre putting their 2nd team |
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Post by surgesoccer on Mar 16, 2018 23:37:48 GMT -5
Have not heard that UFA was applying for ECNL, but no interest in ECNL if cost and travel increaseL. I want my son to play competitive soccer but not looking for the price or travel to increase.
Couple of other thoughts. If you take the top players from Fowler and Norcross to make one team you would have a pretty good team. But if what's left over mixes with the Red teams for the new league you're not going to have that talented of a team.
In our age group SSA is bottom side of the barrel, so if they send their 2nd team to the new league it's not going to be good soccer. Same with NASA. Concorde Central has a pretty good classic 1 team (relative to the current competition) but they are slated to play ECNL in the fall. Their next team isn't that competitive. GSA has a really good RPL team but they are also headed to ECNL in the Fall. There second team is not doing so well now in Classic 1.
So given all of the current info and rumors if true leads me to:
1. The new league will be a way to have competitive soccer because all of the clubs in the league will in essence be 3rd or 4th teams. So competitive in this case means equally bad teams competing against one another.
2. Smaller clubs that do not have DA or ECNL are already showing that they can compete in Classic 1. Once again just looking at our age group you have 2 Smyrna teams that jumped from Classic 1 to RPL (Seems one is now back to going by GA Storm), Inter Atlanta was promoted to RPL, GA Rush and Roswell have strong teams in Classic 1. Athens is competitive. Steamers have some bite. So being a small club playing Classic has some advantages as your clubs best players are playing with your top team in Classic.
3. Big 5 clubs are going to have to pull talent from other clubs to stay competitive in new league and and to improve DA, ECNL.
4. For UFA and Concorde they will recapture some of their DA players for ECNL or Classic teams when other clubs age out of DA at u15. As players from other u12-u14 DA clubs lose that path, they will migrate to UFA or Concorde. This will push out some current UFA DA players back into other teams at the club.
5. And... this is all getting too complicated. Having MLS, DA and ECNL in youth soccer is complicating things. If I could waive my magic wand I would:
A. Create a league for MLS only teams. I imagine most MLS teams get the creme of the crop in their area so let them compete against one another in the top league. The clubs can afford to travel to play one another. DA and lower teams should be able to compete against MLS teams in open tournaments.
B. Set DA as 2nd level and do away with ECNL. We all know that in most cases DA teams are seen as, and likely more competitive. 2 Leagues competing as if they are the top league just muddies the waters. Does relegation have a place here?
C. Keep Classic 1 through whatever level is needed to provide clubs with a path to compete. Separate teams into regions or states to minimize travel. Then either have region champs go into a playoff or have a open tournament to gain access to a Championship series of tournament.
D. Finally the nail in the coffin because it will never happen - have the whole thing run by US Soccer, with State soccer associations managing leagues in their state. Regions covering multiple state would be controlled by the state with the most teams in it.
In the end too many clubs and people in the Alphabet organizations are more focussed on retaining dollars or power to do what is actually best for the kids playing. But what do I know, I grew up playing American football.
**This is in regards to the boys side. don't know anything about the girls side.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Mar 17, 2018 0:00:21 GMT -5
Oh for the love of soccer. I feel like I follow all this more than the average soccer parent but this is just getting ridiculous. It is seriously enough to make you just quit soccer all together. I'm waving the white flag.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 17, 2018 0:25:48 GMT -5
I miss the good old days of simplicity. Years ago, when you met someone and you were told "oh, their kid plays ECNL" you knew it was a girl and she could play. Now that only raises loads of questions. Is it ECNL for girls or boys? How come they are not playing DA or Girls DA? Does their club also have a DA program and is it at a separate location? Aaaaargh...Make it stop.
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Post by spectator on Mar 17, 2018 7:50:03 GMT -5
The more I read aout this, the happier I am that my kid is aging out and headed to play college soccer.
Best of luck to all still left treading these muddy waters.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 17, 2018 8:19:59 GMT -5
]SSA is not putting their top team in new league, theyre putting their 2nd team[/quote]
I don't know if I quoted this correctly...I posted mine at the same time you did so your comment was not yet up. So thanks for the info, but if what that whole letter suggests is actually true it sounds like they won't have a choice to put a team in RPL. Georgia Soccer will say no. However, I agree with what everyone says that these 5 clubs have too many kids and too much money to take away from the system that Georgia Soccer will cave.
As for my other previous statement, I stand by that comment that the champions league will be like going back to Academy where there will be some competitive (i.e. well matched teams) games but many lopsided games.
As for the comments regarding third and fourth teams playing "bad soccer" I have watched third and fourth teams playing good possession soccer when playing equal level teams. Many of Tophat' s teams play good, well-intentioned soccer even at the lower team level. I have watched "top teams" including DA teams play direct (long ball) soccer to one fast and high quality forward but when pressured everyone else is just panicking and kicking the ball out of bounds or just randomly. Granted the players on the top teams are faster and stronger and many times, but not always, more technically skilled, they are playing an ugly brand of soccer. This is not always true, but I think trashing the lower teams is not fair to kids on those teams who are trying their best to play soccer "the right way." Many of those third teams that are playing RPL at the older age groups are still very competitive against top teams from our own state and other states (granted not the DA or ECNL teams).
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Post by rifle on Mar 17, 2018 9:38:36 GMT -5
More leagues that don't compete with each other equals degraded quality and makes identification/discovery harder.
US Soccer is nowhere to be found in solving the competition problem (pro/amateur/youth inclusive) - they're amplifying it.
US Club seems to be preparing to attack the castle.
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Post by newposter on Mar 17, 2018 11:32:55 GMT -5
Until there is a concerted effort to establish a promotion relegation system we will continue to see such new "leagues" form. Nobody wants to hear their player, team, club,etc is not the best. Just watching an EPL game featuring two teams fighting relegation to second division. It was very entertaining! Glad my player is almost done.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 17, 2018 12:13:31 GMT -5
The letter is a letter from Smyrna to all the other clubs asking to back them up. Its not from GA soccer, it doesn't suggest or imply what GA soccer may or may not do. GA soccer may choose to do something or they may choose to stay put. $$ Money talks $$ |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 17, 2018 12:24:52 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer won’t do anything. They will encourage them to sign other teams up etc.
Props to Smyrna!
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Post by touchlinedad on Mar 17, 2018 13:45:36 GMT -5
This is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I first heard about the formation of this new league. More chaos and confusion on all levels.
Soccerfan30, you are spot on that some of the clubs opposing this league have violated the rules involving illegal recruiting. However, it doesn't matter. Illegal recruiting is illegal recruiting. The problem is Georgia Soccer has not vigorously enforced the rules for fear of upsetting larger clubs and causing them to leave. Turns out they are going to leave anyway.
Soccerdaddy, I agree that the drug addict analogy by JumpJumpKeep311 was not the best but I completely understand what he was trying to say. You see it at tryouts every year, parents willing to move every year in hopes of their child making it on a more "elite" team. And the clubs encourage this behavior because it's all about the money.
Finally, at the youth level, especially at the Academy ages, the emphasis has to be on development and not winning. But too many parents, coaches and clubs emphasize winning over development due to the parental dreams of scholarships and clubs wanting business. If
It's really depressing to watch all this happen after we didn't qualify for the World Cup. I want the sport to continue to grow and develop in this country but I fear that U.S. Soccer, clubs and parents are squeezing the fun and life out of the youth game.
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Post by paterfamilias on Mar 17, 2018 13:57:31 GMT -5
Illegal recruiting enforcement is not the problem. The problem itself is the rule. Locking a 9 year old kid or 15 year old or whatever to a contract is asinine.
Do away with the recruiting and there will be less incentive to game the system.
Run a better league (I'm looking at you rpl) and there is no incentive to have a competing one.
Finally it is incredibly shortsighted on all parties to have not gotten this under one umbrella. This could have been and should have been worked out and yet the nose was cut off to spite the face.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 17, 2018 14:50:07 GMT -5
The letter is a letter from Smyrna to all the other clubs asking to back them up. Its not from GA soccer, it doesn't suggest or imply what GA soccer may or may not do. GA soccer may choose to do something or they may choose to stay put. $$ Money talks $$ I did not say the letter was from Georgia Soccer. I just said if What the letter said is true (meaning if those other clubs do get their way, which I doubt will happen due to money) then they (SSA) wouldn't be able to put their second team into the champions league and have their first one in RPL. Plus everything others have implied is that it was to replace RPL. I think we are saying the same thing. Money talks. I think that someone made a comment about all of these rumors stressing out parents unnecessarily, and I think that is true. People have said things about proposed leagues and clubs applying for ECNL and people getting kicked out of DA or ECNL (Concorde) some of which so far has not proven to be true. I think I will stop stressing and just wait to hear the actual info when or IF it actually happens. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 17, 2018 14:56:12 GMT -5
Yes we agree.
I think its a double edge sword though. All this info is stressing parents out but can you imagine if it all came out right before tryouts?
As I've been saying....parents need to just relax for now and see what happens
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 17, 2018 15:03:33 GMT -5
How many clubs still have true executive boards that are made up of volunteers etc vs club directors?
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Post by atlsoccer on Mar 17, 2018 18:31:46 GMT -5
Wow! Another club with DA and ECNL in metro Atlanta? That seems to be pushing it a bit. Plus, I had heard that the other Atlanta ECNL clubs had kept UFA out for years. Why would that change? Plus if 3 clubs in the group have both ECNL and DA and GSA has ECNL why would SSA want to play their top girls team against 3 3rd teams and 1 second team? This whole thing seems like a big mess. SSA is not putting their top team in new league, theyre putting their 2nd team This is actually big news, if true. The idea of the Champions League is that it was superior/comparable competition without the travel. It will be a much harder sell for UFA, Tophat, Concorde and GSA if one of their members (SSA) without DA or ECNL is still sending their second teams. Doesn't this clearly say, we feel RPL is a better league? |
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Post by spectator on Mar 17, 2018 23:40:08 GMT -5
OK - it's late, I have no dog in this hunt any longer, but I'm confused. Correct me if this is wrong but: 1. The largest clubs in metro Atlanta are breaking away from GA Soccer only for their top teams? 2. They will play DA, ECNL and some home grown version of RPL in their own playground because they are tired of travelling? 3. They will send the rest of their teams to play in GA Soccer - same entity they are huffing off from - in Classic and Athena only? (#sloppyseconds) 4. Small clubs are pissed and don't want DA or ECNL players from these clubs rostered on State Cup teams ever again. Because we KNOW how saying 'don't do that' has worked so well in the past (talking to you, Concorde!!!!) 5. And somehow this is supposed to be a good thing for whom exactly?  How will this work with the multiple RPL teams from a club like UFA - example - in the 2000 age group this year, UFA Milton, UFA Forsyth and UFA Norcross all had teams in SRPL or RPL. Who keeps that spot? Who gets relegated back down to Athena as the sloppy second/third/fourth/fifth team from that club? Not sure if this is a factor in other age groups since most of the 00''s are aging out, but if so, expect parents to blow a gasket and players to flock to other 'elite' clubs or teams at tryouts - further displacing players if they take spots and the domino effect takes place. From my - no dog in this hunt any longer- perspective, the larger clubs are just trying to kill the smaller clubs and run the show. We've been at both and my preference will always be an exceptional coach at a smaller club over a 'top' team at a larger club. But how many great coaches will stay at smaller clubs now that this will be in place? GA Soccer will do nothing - they never did about illegal recruiting or ECNL players playing in State Cup. ODP is dead now that DA is in play for both genders. And GA Soccer will do nothing to protect smaller clubs from being completely obliterated - even when their cash cows leave the farm. Wow - seriously, good luck you guys! This really sucks for so many people - especially kids that want to just play soccer while they're young So yeah - happy to be aging out but really disappointed and sad at what this has become for the kids left in the program. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 18, 2018 18:32:39 GMT -5
How many clubs still have true executive boards that are made up of volunteers etc vs club directors? Isn't AFC the only one? And look where that got them....they kept firing coaches and then all those coaches started their own club MOBA. I dont have a problem with parents being on the board, but maybe half and half? And back to a question someone asked...have we figured out what AFC stands for? Lol |
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 18, 2018 19:04:07 GMT -5
How many clubs still have true executive boards that are made up of volunteers etc vs club directors? Isn't AFC the only one? And look where that got them....they kept firing coaches and then all those coaches started their own club MOBA. I dont have a problem with parents being on the board, but maybe half and half? And back to a question someone asked...have we figured out what AFC stands for? Lol I found it AMATEUR SPORTS CLUB 😃 |
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 18, 2018 20:13:51 GMT -5
Scratch Amateur Sports Club bad copy and paste. So I still don’t know AFC stands for anyone?
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