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Post by soccerparent02 on Jul 2, 2019 15:30:40 GMT -5
Congratulations to GSA u17 and CF u19.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 2, 2019 17:10:46 GMT -5
What happened to the SSA/Concorde ECNL team? I thought they were the better of the 2? Then the Concorde 04 team finished towards the bottom of the group and they were a top team all year? Did the play ups drop to 05? Congratulations to both teams advancing. Well earned as the competition is fierce From what we’ve heard “SSA 05 ECNL” lost two of their top players. Based on the posts from CF their Platinum team didn’t bring down their players who play up and only had 2 subs the entire time. Where did the 2 SSA players go? |
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Post by Somanychanges on Jul 2, 2019 18:41:52 GMT -5
From what we’ve heard “SSA 05 ECNL” lost two of their top players. Based on the posts from CF their Platinum team didn’t bring down their players who play up and only had 2 subs the entire time. Where did the 2 SSA players go? I believe one went to GSA and the other to CF platinum. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 2, 2019 19:05:47 GMT -5
Where did the 2 SSA players go? I believe one went to GSA and the other to CF platinum. So because they left for other clubs they can't finish their season at playoffs? |
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Post by Somanychanges on Jul 2, 2019 19:07:50 GMT -5
Where did the 2 SSA players go? I believe one went to GSA and the other to CF platinum. I have no idea. That's all I was told. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 2, 2019 19:14:28 GMT -5
Not sure, but it sounds like you are inter changing or confusing NPL with NL. NPL is like ECNL or DA or SCCL in that it is club wide and you do not qualify so most clubs should have NPL at all age groups. You are correct in saying that in some areas it is the best the area has to offer. Many clubs it is the highest level their teams can play. No way of confusing NPL with NL and no way is NPL is at the level of NL, ENCL or DA in the state of GA.. NL is just like any other alphabet league; compare the quality of team(s) within the regular league play and look at the team(s) continuous success rate in post season play. Any team can be a one hit wonder, however, consistency in team/individual success at times over looked I did not say anything about the level in Georgia, nor was the poster whom I quoted. The clubs were Tennessee clubs. The poster was saying things about qualifying for NPL, which is incorrect. My statement regarding DA ECNL and SCCL is that NPL is club based like those are. The poster is incorrect so I was giving the benefit of the doubt about being confused. As for NL vs NPL quality, I am not going to argue with you. It is not worth the energy to argue quality of a league with anyone. Since the discussion that I quoted was regarding boys and I don't comment on boys team quality that makes it even more pointless to argue as I have little exposure to the boys game. I WAS NOT trying to start an NL vs NPL quality argument!!! |
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Post by goalz on Jul 3, 2019 9:58:17 GMT -5
SSA 05 ECNL didn’t lose two of their top players- one was a DP and the other barely played half of each half. ( As witnessed each time we played them)
Maybe, just maybe, the girls had a bad game
In San Diego- wow has anyone ever thought of that? Mind Blown I know...
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Post by papacoach on Jul 3, 2019 10:11:56 GMT -5
No way of confusing NPL with NL and no way is NPL is at the level of NL, ENCL or DA in the state of GA.. NL is just like any other alphabet league; compare the quality of team(s) within the regular league play and look at the team(s) continuous success rate in post season play. Any team can be a one hit wonder, however, consistency in team/individual success at times over looked I did not say anything about the level in Georgia, nor was the poster whom I quoted. The clubs were Tennessee clubs. The poster was saying things about qualifying for NPL, which is incorrect. My statement regarding DA ECNL and SCCL is that NPL is club based like those are. The poster is incorrect so I was giving the benefit of the doubt about being confused. As for NL vs NPL quality, I am not going to argue with you. It is not worth the energy to argue quality of a league with anyone. Since the discussion that I quoted was regarding boys and I don't comment on boys team quality that makes it even more pointless to argue as I have little exposure to the boys game. I WAS NOT trying to start an NL vs NPL quality argument!!! NO argument but a discussion and I was simply pointing out NPL Shouldn't be confused with NL since available resources can be easily found on the internet. The debate over what Alphabet league is better/strong/etc.. can easily be resolved on the pitch through post season play like NPL and ECNL does, DA has their own league and post season champions too plus NL and SCCL has varies post season options too. IF the debate is purely on team/individual qualities and abilities, these teams can easily schedule friendlies (Scrimmages) among the top teams in GA to better assess team preparation and skill sets. ENCL, NL NPL, SCCL and C1 can always battle in area tournaments or through scheduled friendly too. The catch is, coordination and willingness between team staffs to actually align and schedules such team/individual challenges. Read more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/4171/2018-2019-postseason-28-update?page=2#ixzz5scyOolPc |
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Post by Somanychanges on Jul 3, 2019 12:46:49 GMT -5
SSA 05 ECNL didn’t lose two of their top players- one was a DP and the other barely played half of each half. ( As witnessed each time we played them) Maybe, just maybe, the girls had a bad game In San Diego- wow has anyone ever thought of that? Mind Blown I know... I did hear the coach was REALLY counting on that DP to go to San Diego and then becoming a full time player in the fall. |
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Post by ihave3girlz on Jul 3, 2019 15:26:40 GMT -5
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I heard through the ever chatty soccer grapevine that DP committed and then uncommitted when offered a full ride to GSA...money talks.
Worse yet the parents lied about where she was at tryouts still promising coach she was committed. Talked trash about all the players on the way out the door... and she did go to nationals with gsa and they went 0-3 and scored one goal all tournament so how did that work out?
Based on posted scores for last week looks like that SSA group had a rough start in the first game but bounced back by game three to win 5-0...it’s soccer it happens...and they are 14 year old girls so any day can be a bad day in their world lol
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Post by surgesoccer on Jul 3, 2019 16:03:15 GMT -5
I did not say anything about the level in Georgia, nor was the poster whom I quoted. The clubs were Tennessee clubs. The poster was saying things about qualifying for NPL, which is incorrect. My statement regarding DA ECNL and SCCL is that NPL is club based like those are. The poster is incorrect so I was giving the benefit of the doubt about being confused. As for NL vs NPL quality, I am not going to argue with you. It is not worth the energy to argue quality of a league with anyone. Since the discussion that I quoted was regarding boys and I don't comment on boys team quality that makes it even more pointless to argue as I have little exposure to the boys game. I WAS NOT trying to start an NL vs NPL quality argument!!!
ENCL, NL NPL, SCCL and C1 can always battle in area tournaments or through scheduled friendly too.
The catch is, coordination and willingness between team staffs to actually align and schedules such team/individual challenges.-- In today's Alphabet environment this is the key. Coaches need to be willing to step out of the comfort of their league and either play in tournaments featuring different leagues or schedule scrimmages. Going into last year we were not sure what SCCL would provide in terms of competitive challenges. So we proactively sought out scrimmages. Over the year we scrimmaged or played: 1 NL Tier 1 team 3 NL Tier 2 teams (played 1 team twice) 2 ECNL Teams 2 NPL Teams (played each 3 times) 3 DA Teams (1 05 and 2 06's including AU) 1 Classic 1 team 5 out-of-state teams between Disney Tournament and National Cup Regionals Given the number of games played against the same teams in the SCCL league, these extra games were highly important in the team testing itself against different competition and diversifying who they played. Still have between 3-5 games to go before we wrap the season up and those will be against out of state teams. One thing we experienced in the opening tournament was that we got dropped to the second division because we were a SCCL team. But that was where we still got the opportunity to play one of the ECNL teams. Definitely recommend teams schedule scrimagges teams they might not normally play. |
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Post by Somanychanges on Jul 3, 2019 16:28:51 GMT -5
br] I heard through the ever chatty soccer grapevine that DP committed and then uncommitted when offered a full ride to GSA...money talks. Worse yet the parents lied about where she was at tryouts still promising coach she was committed. Talked trash about all the players on the way out the door... and she did go to nationals with gsa and they went 0-3 and scored one goal all tournament so how did that work out? Based on posted scores for last week looks like that SSA group had a rough start in the first game but bounced back by game three to win 5-0...it’s soccer it happens...and they are 14 year old girls so any day can be a bad day in their world lol Not a good way to leave a club. Very unlucky for SSA. I'm sure many thought they would have a better outcome since they won the conference. I guess you can call it a bounce back...based on the posted scores SSA was only able to beat the team with 1 goal for and leaving that team with the worst record of their group. Regardless, qualifying for playoffs is still a privilege. My kid will never be there she plays Athena  Better luck next year! |
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Post by insideinfo on Jul 3, 2019 19:29:06 GMT -5
No way of confusing NPL with NL and no way is NPL is at the level of NL, ENCL or DA in the state of GA.. NL is just like any other alphabet league; compare the quality of team(s) within the regular league play and look at the team(s) continuous success rate in post season play. Any team can be a one hit wonder, however, consistency in team/individual success at times over looked I did not say anything about the level in Georgia, nor was the poster whom I quoted. The clubs were Tennessee clubs. The poster was saying things about qualifying for NPL, which is incorrect. My statement regarding DA ECNL and SCCL is that NPL is club based like those are. The poster is incorrect so I was giving the benefit of the doubt about being confused. As for NL vs NPL quality, I am not going to argue with you. It is not worth the energy to argue quality of a league with anyone. Since the discussion that I quoted was regarding boys and I don't comment on boys team quality that makes it even more pointless to argue as I have little exposure to the boys game. I WAS NOT trying to start an NL vs NPL quality argument!!! You have to remind yourself who you are trying to reason with and then realize its not worth it. He takes NL very seriously since thats all his club has. Those 25 year olds need props sometimes too. |
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Post by surgesoccer on Jul 3, 2019 21:40:38 GMT -5
To some degree the National League vs NPL is hard to judge as National League isn't a single thing, but rather National League Tier 1 and National League tier 2. Big difference between the two. If you want to compare the two then you have to look at results across all age groups and gender. Since I deal with U14's, here is how the different leagues shake out.
Tier 1
KSA went 5-4 (not sure how good they are as last year they used Georgia Storm players to improve their team to qualify for NL. In the Fall of 2017 they maybe one 2 games. Then once Georgia Storm qualified for NL in spring they used Georgia Storm players, and pulled some 05's who played with the 04's down. Have not seen enough of them in 2018-2019 to fairly judge.
Georgia Storm was a legitimately good team in 2017-2018 and deserved promotion. They went 4-4-1. I know they lost one really good player to DA. But once again cannot comment on how they were this year, but lower half tier 1.
Smyrna went 2-7. Saw them up close and not impressed. They seem to have slid from 2017-2018.
Atlanta Fire qualified I think for the slot from their Pre-ECNL team. Not sure the team that played in NL really should have been there
Tier 2
Roswell, despite losing two players to DA for last year, put together a good season. Think they are deserving to jump to tier 1.
Georgia Rush went 8-3 but they were trending down. They lost to an SCCL team 3-0 and it wasn't close.
Don't know enough about MOBA though they went 7-3. Did not see them this year.
Inter-Atlanta went 5-3-3. Doubt they are better than top NPL or SCCL teams. Losing Italo to DA hurt them. W/ith Italo they scrimmaged a hal against and SCCL team and it finished 0-0. Hard to judge without a second half.
So yes NL may be better than NPL, but that's due to the Tennessee and NC teams, not necessarily the Georgia Teams.
For NPL in Georgia
UFA went 5-1-6. Decent team but are they better or worse than NL teams. Probably somewhat equal to most. Maybe Roswell, KSA and GA Storm a bit stronger.
SSA NPLfinished 7-1-3, so slightly better than UFA. But they played 3 games against and SCCL team and wen 0-1-2. Once again probably equal to most NL teams other than the three mentioned in UFA comment.
AFC Lightening definitely probably better suited to Classic 1.
Might as well include SCCL
The only GA team that competed was UFA Norcross. As good as that team performed their achilles heal was CESA. Played 4 games against CESA and lost 3 and tied 1. Against the rest of the teams lost one game. Still this team beat 2 ECNL teams including Concorde Central that finished second in eCNL, beat SSA and UFA Fowler from NPL.
So which league as a whole is best at this age group for boys? If your thinking about all teams in the league then NL 1, NL2, NPL, SCCL and Classic 1.
IF you're looking at just GA teams then differences are much closer but still think its similar with only change NL 2 and NPL about the same. Maybe give NL2 the nod due to Roswell (NL) quality and (AFC poor quality).
NL Tier1: Given what I know about the teams they would compete well against NL Tier 2, NPL and SCCL
NL Tier 2 / NPL: Would do well against all GA/ teams other than 1
SCCL
Classic 1
But this is u14 Boys. Imagine this changes for other age groups and gender. So you can argue differences by age group and gender but hard to generalize across all.
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Post by papacoach on Jul 3, 2019 22:59:00 GMT -5
I did not say anything about the level in Georgia, nor was the poster whom I quoted. The clubs were Tennessee clubs. The poster was saying things about qualifying for NPL, which is incorrect. My statement regarding DA ECNL and SCCL is that NPL is club based like those are. The poster is incorrect so I was giving the benefit of the doubt about being confused. As for NL vs NPL quality, I am not going to argue with you. It is not worth the energy to argue quality of a league with anyone. Since the discussion that I quoted was regarding boys and I don't comment on boys team quality that makes it even more pointless to argue as I have little exposure to the boys game. I WAS NOT trying to start an NL vs NPL quality argument!!! You have to remind yourself who you are trying to reason with and then realize its not worth it. He takes NL very seriously since thats all his club has. Those 25 year olds need props sometimes too. You are right, those 25yrs players you seem to wrongly imply still playing in U19 probably do need your support/props by buying a ticket or two to their pro games...
You are right again, not worth debating worthless opinions by others like yourself.
No, I don’t take any alphabet league(s) seriously like DA, NL, NPL, C1 or ODP since it’s simply a kid’s game and at times, ruined by adults and the misinformed.
We have little ones currently playing in, had played in and/or close friends playing in or has been in DA, NL, NPL, SCCL, C1 and ODP teams.
I have ran the sidelines as a Ref, currently part of and have been involved in team staff as A/C, H/C and trainer, been on club boards as a voting member along with being a parent of players playing in multiple state leagues and international play (countries across the pond, soccer is played throughout the entire year, with no off-season) which GA/CA/SC/NC Soccer which is seasonal..
so Yes, I could be and am speaking from a position of strength in knowledge of the game beyond the comforts of the parents’ side of the field.
See you guys In Colorado and Kansas for Nationals since that’s all our club’s teams have left until Fall season starts up (lol). Too bad your assumption lacks knowledge since the clubs we are part of have DA, NL, NPL, SCCL, C level and Rec. Oops, didn’t see that coming did you. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 4, 2019 6:10:03 GMT -5
Papacoach
What I was trying to say before is that you may think that there is no way to confuse NPL and NL you are overestimating some people's knowledge and understanding of the alphabet leagues. The debate that NPL and NL are of different levels (this depends on who you ask, boys or girls, and age group what the opinions are on that topic) was never the point of my response to that poster. I was trying to correct the obvious confusion because the poster hammertime was talking about NPL as a pro/rel. At this point I still am not positive that he was talking about NPL but I assumed he was because he was talking about FC Alliance and Chattanooga which are both NPL clubs on the boys side as of 2018-2019. Hammertime's post was otherwise well thought out and unbiased.
My response to you was to hope the thread did not go down into the wormhole of that debate again...which unfortunately it did. Let us not encourage any further discussion or opinions on that debate on a thread not meant for that purpose. This thread was meant to TOUT and UPDATE everyone on how Georgia teams were doing in DA/ECNL playoffs, US Youth Regionals/Nationals, NPL finals girls, ENPL boys, US Club National Cup and its Regional qualifiers. Let us celebrate the players of youth soccer in Georgia, not ourselves with our opinions on which league is the best/worst regardless if it was from watching our kids, playing or coaching it ourselves or refereeing.
Oh and the record of teams in one league against various other leagues still doesn't have enough data points for me to make any definitive opinions on quality. At least it doesn't on the girls side, which is all I care about at the moment (besides wanting boys to do well so thay our USMNT will improve with more players like Pulisic, McKennie and Adams). Those of us who have backgrounds in science or statistics know that it requires more data points than 4 games per team in post season or preseason tournaments. There are a lot of other factors at play such as injuries, guest players from higher level teams, kids leaving teams and short timing it or not even being there in postseason and in preseason similar things except exchange the short timers with the kids rusty from playing basketball all winter and not touching a soccer ball from 2-3 months.
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Better luck next year!
