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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 8:10:57 GMT -5
Any bracketology surprises?
The only age group I follow closely (06G), the biggest surprise I saw was Roswell NL team winning 2nd bracket at CF over 2 SCCL-1 teams. Roswell was 3rd of the 4 GA teams in NL piedmont last spring and went out in the semifinals of state cup. Gives some credence to the GA Soccer argument that NL > SCCL.
On my side, my kids team is definitely better this year, I'm excited for the rest of the season.
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 13, 2019 8:55:13 GMT -5
Any bracketology surprises? The only age group I follow closely (06G), the biggest surprise I saw was Roswell NL team winning 2nd bracket at CF over 2 SCCL-1 teams. Roswell was 3rd of the 4 GA teams in NL piedmont last spring and went out in the semifinals of state cup. Gives some credence to the GA Soccer argument that NL > SCCL. On my side, my kids team is definitely better this year, I'm excited for the rest of the season. The 06 girls Roswell team had some turnover so has some new players. As you point out, they beat two sccl teams this past weekend (Concorde and gsa). Should be a team to watch this season. I hope they do well and represent GA well in NL Piedmont! |
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Post by ultimatedad on Aug 13, 2019 9:33:31 GMT -5
Any bracketology surprises? The only age group I follow closely (06G), the biggest surprise I saw was Roswell NL team winning 2nd bracket at CF over 2 SCCL-1 teams. Roswell was 3rd of the 4 GA teams in NL piedmont last spring and went out in the semifinals of state cup. Gives some credence to the GA Soccer argument that NL > SCCL. On my side, my kids team is definitely better this year, I'm excited for the rest of the season. NL Piedmont is much stronger than SCCL and is closer to ECNL than anything else. |
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Post by Keeper on Aug 13, 2019 9:57:13 GMT -5
Watched a lot of older girls SCCL-Premier and SCCL teams play Athena A/B and NL-Piedmont almost all of them lost or were out played. Not a surprise to me but it was interesting listening to the parents whine about how that team shouldn’t be that good and it was the Refs fault for not calling fouls.
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Post by ultimatedad on Aug 13, 2019 10:23:40 GMT -5
Many parents have guzzled the SCCL kool aid. It is easy to believe when they are telling you what you want to hear.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 13, 2019 10:33:50 GMT -5
Many parents have guzzled the SCCL kool aid. It is easy to believe when they are telling you what you want to hear. LOL I don't think anyone has guzzled the kool-aid. For most the clubs aren't giving teams many options, so it is what it is. SCCL is just like any other alphabet league. There are good teams and bad teams and middle of the road teams. We have already broken this out pretty well but I'll do it again for you SCCL haters. SCCL-1 more or less equals Classic 1 / Athena A teams and maybe some lower table NPL teams. SCCL-P(2) more or less equals lower Classic 1 / Athena A teams and higher Classic II / Athena B teams. Obviously there is variance in every age group, but just because in one age group a few A/B or Piedmont teams beat the SCCL teams doesn't mean SCCL as a whole is bad and it doesn't mean that A/B Piedmont is so good either. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 11:14:09 GMT -5
This is not what I'm seeing at all from the results of both tournaments. First off, any NL team that went up against ECNL got smashed or worse crushed (a few 5+ point wins by ECNL teams). I think I saw 2 NL teams with 1-point wins by over SCCL-division teams (but lost their other 2 matches against SCCL-division teams).
Edit: of ~65 games played between U14-and-up girls USYS GA teams and US Club teams the USYS team won 11 of the matches and there were 7 ties. The ONLY USYS team that was really STRONG was 2006 Roswell Blue winning 4 of the 11 matches. 2nd place would go to HCU/AFUS 04 who won 2 of their matches against US Club teams.
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 13, 2019 11:24:57 GMT -5
Watched a lot of older girls SCCL-Premier and SCCL teams play Athena A/B and NL-Piedmont almost all of them lost or were out played. Not a surprise to me but it was interesting listening to the parents whine about how that team shouldn’t be that good and it was the Refs fault for not calling fouls. Since you were at the Nike tourney just curious which games. I was there too. Every Athena A team I saw play vs SCCL teams got smoked. I also looked at scores too and don’t really see any that back your statement up. (That being said, I could be missing some Athena a/b teams since Ga Soccer hasn’t gotten brackets up) I did see that CFC red star 01/02 NL win 2-1 and tie 1-1 to SCCL teams. Not exactly dominating. Did I miss any other NL teams? Don’t think afc or others had any teams playing at Nike on the girls side. Most people would say the natural order is: DA ECNL NL NPL (though not far from NL in some cases) SCCL Some combo of Athena A/SCCLP/ATHENA B And like every year I’ve been around soccer the top of each league can compete with the bottom of other higher leagues. |
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Post by hotspur1 on Aug 13, 2019 11:28:47 GMT -5
This is not what I'm seeing at all from the results of both tournaments. First off, any NL team that went up against ECNL got smashed or worse crushed (a few 5+ point wins by ECNL teams). I think I saw 2 NL teams with 1-point wins by over SCCL-division teams (but lost their other 2 matches against SCCL-division teams). Agree with this. There will be more NL / NPL / SCCL crossover next weekend at afc and also in the top hat tourney. I might actually take the time to chart the scores by age group just to see which league has the better showing. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 13, 2019 11:34:29 GMT -5
This is not what I'm seeing at all from the results of both tournaments. First off, any NL team that went up against ECNL got smashed or worse crushed (a few 5+ point wins by ECNL teams). I think I saw 2 NL teams with 1-point wins by over SCCL-division teams (but lost their other 2 matches against SCCL-division teams). Well as talked about in another post. The U14B UFA-Norcross Premier (SCCL-P) team beat the NASA/TH 06B ECNL team this weekend at the SSA tournament. So by your logic SCCL-p > ECNL.... I'm just saying sometimes I think some of you let your hatred of the Big 6 clubs interfere with your objectiveness. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 11:56:59 GMT -5
This is not what I'm seeing at all from the results of both tournaments. First off, any NL team that went up against ECNL got smashed or worse crushed (a few 5+ point wins by ECNL teams). I think I saw 2 NL teams with 1-point wins by over SCCL-division teams (but lost their other 2 matches against SCCL-division teams). Well as talked about in another post. The U14B UFA-Norcross Premier (SCCL-P) team beat the NASA/TH 06B ECNL team this weekend at the SSA tournament. So by your logic SCCL-p > ECNL.... I'm just saying sometimes I think some of you let your hatred of the Big 6 clubs interfere with your objectiveness. The above reply was ONLY about girls since that's what a poster said they watched. Again, would be nice to have Boys/Girls forums to avoid confusion (and they're completely different worlds). Girls only: of ~65 games played between U14-and-up girls USYS GA teams and US Club teams the USYS team won 11 of the matches and there were 7 ties. The ONLY USYS team that was really STRONG was 2006 Roswell Blue winning 4 of the 11 matches. 2nd place would go to HCU/AFUS 04 who won 2 of their matches against US Club teams. |
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Post by fanatic21 on Aug 13, 2019 12:26:39 GMT -5
Many parents have guzzled the SCCL kool aid. It is easy to believe when they are telling you what you want to hear. LOL I don't think anyone has guzzled the kool-aid. For most the clubs aren't giving teams many options, so it is what it is. SCCL is just like any other alphabet league. There are good teams and bad teams and middle of the road teams. We have already broken this out pretty well but I'll do it again for you SCCL haters. SCCL-1 more or less equals Classic 1 / Athena A teams and maybe some lower table NPL teams. SCCL-P(2) more or less equals lower Classic 1 / Athena A teams and higher Classic II / Athena B teams. Obviously there is variance in every age group, but just because in one age group a few A/B or Piedmont teams beat the SCCL teams doesn't mean SCCL as a whole is bad and it doesn't mean that A/B Piedmont is so good either. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. That's the only problem I have with the creation of SCCL (and ECNL and DA for that matter - but because SCCL is a more recent development and not even for clubs' top teams, it probably gets more of the blame/criticism). Seems that more than ever there are, to use your words, "good" and "bad" teams playing in the same division. That teams of truly comperable levels don't play each other as often anymore (ie. Concorde and Tophat Girls) and can't earn the opportunity to do so. At the youth level, we once had a pure promotion/relegation system. Now we just have a bunch of entitlement leagues and arguments over which one is better. I do agree with you that the truth, in terms of which league is stronger and by how much, is somewhere in the middle of most of these debates and that it definitely depends on age group/gender. |
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Post by soccerguru on Aug 13, 2019 13:46:17 GMT -5
Most of the SCCL teams in the u14B tourney at SSA were not very good and really not very good. The Nasa ECNL team from last year was horrible, they have upgraded this year but ECNL will not be easy on them.
Congrats to U14B UFA-Norcross Premier (SCCL-P), I hope they have an excellent year.
The other SCCL teams, need to work on fundamentals and go from there.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 13:58:02 GMT -5
Any bracketology surprises? The only age group I follow closely (06G), the biggest surprise I saw was Roswell NL team winning 2nd bracket at CF over 2 SCCL-1 teams. Roswell was 3rd of the 4 GA teams in NL piedmont last spring and went out in the semifinals of state cup. Gives some credence to the GA Soccer argument that NL > SCCL. On my side, my kids team is definitely better this year, I'm excited for the rest of the season. The 06 girls Roswell team had some turnover so has some new players. As you point out, they beat two sccl teams this past weekend (Concorde and gsa). Should be a team to watch this season. I hope they do well and represent GA well in NL Piedmont!
I assume that they basically upgraded in that turnover? Did they get some NTH players in the reshuffle? Would be curious to know. I didn't find them a very strong team last fall. Based on results they appear to be a much stronger team now.
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 13, 2019 14:15:07 GMT -5
The 06 girls Roswell team had some turnover so has some new players. As you point out, they beat two sccl teams this past weekend (Concorde and gsa). Should be a team to watch this season. I hope they do well and represent GA well in NL Piedmont!
I assume that they basically upgraded in that turnover? Did they get some NTH players in the reshuffle? Would be curious to know. I didn't find them a very strong team last fall. Based on results they appear to be a much stronger team now.
They did get some NTH girls in the shuffle. |
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Post by 04gparent on Aug 13, 2019 14:20:47 GMT -5
I assume that they basically upgraded in that turnover? Did they get some NTH players in the reshuffle? Would be curious to know. I didn't find them a very strong team last fall. Based on results they appear to be a much stronger team now.
They did get some NTH girls in the shuffle. We really need a seperate girls and boys discussion path.... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 13, 2019 14:35:30 GMT -5
They did get some NTH girls in the shuffle. We really need a seperate girls and boys discussion path.... Agreed. I don't think SCCL warrants its own sub-board above anymore, but I think that sub-boards for GA Soccer (general), boys, girls, and DA (boys and girls together) might be useful. Or perhaps we can have those thread-title emoji's? We're discussing different worlds. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 13, 2019 14:44:59 GMT -5
Most of the SCCL teams in the u14B tourney at SSA were not very good and really not very good. The Nasa ECNL team from last year was horrible, they have upgraded this year but ECNL will not be easy on them. Congrats to U14B UFA-Norcross Premier (SCCL-P), I hope they have an excellent year. The other SCCL teams, need to work on fundamentals and go from there. Well I would say to that an ECNL team likely should not have been in that tournament where it was clear there was no other ECNL/NPL/NL/DA teams to play. They should have chosen another tournament. I assume the Concorde one likely had more of those type of teams? There was only one 1st division SCCL team in that bracket (SSA) and then the rest SCCL-p teams (SSA, AFU, UFA-Norcross), and they threw in one mid-tier classic 2 UFA-mountains team for some weird reason that got destroyed by everyone that played them. Second of all that UFA-Norcross team should not be SCCL-p. I do not believe they are the norm caliber for an SCCL-p team, and I fully expect them to win their age group in SCCL-p likely blowing out most of their opponents. Now I understand no one knew they would be that good, and I'm not complaining about them being in SCCL-p or in that tournament, but they should easily win the division in the fall and get moved up in the spring. I think we will see how they do a little better this weekend as they are in the top division of the NASA/TH tournament playing ECNL/NPL and other high caliber teams. If they do well there then UFA definitely made a mistake where they placed them. As far as the other SCCL team, well I personally think SSA put the wrong team in SCCL and should have put them in SCCL-P and put the SCCL-P team in SCCL, but only time will tell if I was correct in that one or not. I think there was a little bit of politics on that one. That being said the SSA SCCL-P team for that age group won Classic II last season and were set to play Classic I before being moved to SCCL-P. The SSA SCCL team was the former NPL team out of the SSA Northside location but I think there was a lot of turnover player wise as well, so they are not the same bad NPL team that played last season either. Honestly I think the SSA SCCL, AFU SCCL, SSA SCCL-P teams are the norm for those leagues. They are all likely the equivalent to a very good Classic I to mid-tier Classic I team. They can definitely could use more work on their fundamentals, shape, etc.... but you were saying that with them playing against the far superior teams of NASA/TH ECNL and the UFA-Norcross team that shouldn't be in SCCL. I assure you the shape, fundamentals are there when they play a team that isn't completely an overmatch for them. I saw as much last season from both those SSA teams at least and only one had a high turnover in players. I also know that 3 or 4 of the SSA SCCL-p's players got hurt Saturday or tweaked something to where they were not at 100%. I'm not saying they would have beaten either of those teams 100% healthy, but losing 2-3 of your better players does not help things. |
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Post by localsoccernovice on Aug 14, 2019 8:38:15 GMT -5
All of the local (and several SE conf out of state) ECNL teams w the exception of NASA were at the CF tourney. UFA Forsyth Premier (NPL team ?) and CF SCCL were the only non ECNL teams and both finished 2nd in their respective groups.
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Post by soccerworld1974 on Aug 14, 2019 9:01:48 GMT -5
From the looks of it, Concorde seeming was the much higher leveled event with variois ECNL and NPL groups in attendance. Very competitive weekend.
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Post by heretounderstand on Aug 14, 2019 16:57:27 GMT -5
All of the local (and several SE conf out of state) ECNL teams w the exception of NASA were at the CF tourney. UFA Forsyth Premier (NPL team ?) and CF SCCL were the only non ECNL teams and both finished 2nd in their respective groups. If we are talking girls in the CF tourney, the only age group I see that those two teams played ECNL teams is in U15 and they finished 3rd and 4th (out of 4 teams.) If you are using this to gauge NPL v SCCL, the Concorde SCCL team looks to have performed slightly better than the UFA NPL team. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 14, 2019 17:01:31 GMT -5
All of the local (and several SE conf out of state) ECNL teams w the exception of NASA were at the CF tourney. UFA Forsyth Premier (NPL team ?) and CF SCCL were the only non ECNL teams and both finished 2nd in their respective groups. If we are talking girls in the CF tourney, the only age group I see that those two teams played ECNL teams is in U15 and they finished 3rd and 4th (out of 4 teams.) If you are using this to gauge NPL v SCCL, the Concorde SCCL team looks to have performed slightly better than the UFA NPL team. They were talking about boys. The NASA is the clue. Most of us no longer refer to Tophat North as NASA plus as they get older it isn't even Tophat North anymore...it is label by Park. There are no "NASA" girls teams anymore |
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Post by 2316 on Aug 17, 2019 17:04:09 GMT -5
Any surprises from the NTH Boys tournament this weekend? Saw 2005 ECNL playing up and tied 2004 DDYSC but the 2004 ECNL also playing up but looks like taking care of business. Is the 2005 tie surprising?
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Post by soccerguru on Aug 17, 2019 19:13:44 GMT -5
KSA 01's lost. Is that their top team?
Change that, its a team from Knoxville
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Post by Brinker on Aug 17, 2019 19:59:11 GMT -5
Any surprises from the NTH Boys tournament this weekend? Saw 2005 ECNL playing up and tied 2004 DDYSC but the 2004 ECNL also playing up but looks like taking care of business. Is the 2005 tie surprising? I am surprised by the tie as the 2005 ECNL NTH team is their former DA team. But NTH’s best team is their 2007 U13 DA team. That team has 2 wins so far playing up a year in the top level bracket U14. |
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Post by soccerguru on Aug 17, 2019 21:36:39 GMT -5
SCCL is too expensive for the quality of soccer. Bottom line : (
We, the customer, have let this alphabet soup league scenario feed the money making egos of the people in charge. It's pricing so many kids out of soccer it's not healthy for the game.
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Post by rifle on Aug 18, 2019 13:12:16 GMT -5
We really need a seperate girls and boys discussion path.... Agreed. I don't think SCCL warrants its own sub-board above anymore, but I think that sub-boards for GA Soccer (general), boys, girls, and DA (boys and girls together) might be useful. Or perhaps we can have those thread-title emoji's? We're discussing different worlds. Or we could simply be clear when posting. Redundant > ambiguous. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 18, 2019 13:18:48 GMT -5
Well as talked about in another post. The U14B UFA-Norcross Premier (SCCL-P) team beat the NASA/TH 06B ECNL team this weekend at the SSA tournament. So by your logic SCCL-p > ECNL.... I'm just saying sometimes I think some of you let your hatred of the Big 6 clubs interfere with your objectiveness. The above reply was ONLY about girls since that's what a poster said they watched. Again, would be nice to have Boys/Girls forums to avoid confusion (and they're completely different worlds). Girls only: of ~65 games played between U14-and-up girls USYS GA teams and US Club teams the USYS team won 11 of the matches and there were 7 ties. The ONLY USYS team that was really STRONG was 2006 Roswell Blue winning 4 of the 11 matches. 2nd place would go to HCU/AFUS 04 who won 2 of their matches against US Club teams. I have heard of a couple Roswell girls returning to play for Roswell. Driving all over the metro area to play uncompetitive games can have that result. I know from experience it is very nice to practice/play 10 minutes away rather than 90 minutes from home. Perhaps the one-upsmanship that has become so common lately will collapse under its own weight. The current state of club soccer is nuts. |
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Post by Brinker on Aug 18, 2019 16:17:18 GMT -5
NTH Nasa DA boys U13 won their tournament playing up in the top U14 bracket. 4 wins, 0 loses, 4 shutouts. 10 goals for and 0 against.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 19, 2019 7:06:46 GMT -5
SCCL is too expensive for the quality of soccer. Bottom line : ( We, the customer, have let this alphabet soup league scenario feed the money making egos of the people in charge. It's pricing so many kids out of soccer it's not healthy for the game. You do realize the cost for SCCL-P and SCCL is comparable to what clubs charge for Classic I and Athena A correct? Considering the SCCL-P and SCCL are comparable to Classic I / Athena A or to upper level Classic II / Athena B, I think they priced it about the same, not to mention there are more games (12 games per fall or spring + 2-4 games in a crossover division weekend) than the Classic/Athena system gives you (9-10 games per fall or spring at most). I think the prices overall in all leagues are too expensive, but picking at SCCL for something the clubs have been charging for Classic I / Athena A is kind of hypocritical. They are all too expensive and SCCL is on par with GA Soccer upper Classic/Athena. |
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