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Sept 4, 2019 20:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 4, 2019 20:39:29 GMT -5
Atl 2 lost tonight 5-0 to Birmingham.
My question - who truly has better future prospects - atl2 or Birmingham? Birmingham is in 9th place in the east.
Yes I know ATL 2 doesn’t care about results and plays teenagers - but losing 5-0 shouldn’t be acceptable.
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ATL 2 ?
Sept 4, 2019 20:57:10 GMT -5
Post by Futsal Gawdess on Sept 4, 2019 20:57:10 GMT -5
AU gives away free tickets for AU2 games to all the Academy players and their families too. That should tell you everything you need to know 😁😁
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Post by EastATL on Sept 5, 2019 0:46:19 GMT -5
Birmingham Lineup: GK: Matt Van Oekel - 11 years as a professional RB: Razak Cromwell - 24 years old, on loan from Ghanian Dreams FC CB: Mathieu Laurent - 23, fresh out of college (UAB) CB: Mikey Lopez - 26, former MLS player, former US U-20 national (17 appearances) LB: Akeem Ward - 23, fresh out of college (Creighton), 14th overall pick CDM: Anderson Asiedu  RM: Prosper Kasim - 22, Swedish Allsvenskan and Division 1 experience LM: Eric Avila - 31, MLS player from 2008-14 (Dallas, Toronto, Chivas) CAM: Daniel Johnson - 23, 15 appearances with Chicago Fire over 2 seasons ST: Brian Wright - 24, on loan from New England ST: Jerome JJ Williams - 21, on loan from Columbus Compare that with ours: GK: Dylan Castanheira - 24, fresh out of college RB: Laurence Wyke - 22, out of position, fresh out of college CB: Garrison Tubbs - AU Academy Player, was with the U16/17s last season, played ST until he moved to AU CB: Tyler Ruthven - 31, 11 years as a professional player LB: Wesley Decas - 20, Honduras U20 national CDM: William Reilly - AU Academy Player, was with the U16/17s last season RM: Laurent Kissiedou - Former AU Academy Player CM: Alessandro Castro - Former AU Academy Player CM: Jack Metcalf - 27, been played all over the place LM: Luiz Fernando - 22, just signed a first team contract ST: Jackson Conway - (former?) AU Academy Player This is all about playing the youth against better opposition than they’re used to and giving them professional minutes. We have the better prospects but Birmingham has a better team. |
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ATL 2 ?
Sept 5, 2019 8:41:36 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 5, 2019 8:41:36 GMT -5
I guess there is another wrinkle -- how much do MLS team scout USL for players?
Clearly there was also a need for first team players to have a spot to rehab and recovery from injuries. The previous relationship/arraignment with the battery was not optimal.
I just also see a lot of youth on that Bham team also. and Asiedu is probably a better player than Castro for example. Castro has played very little minutes with the 2s now since signing a few years ago.
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Post by hammertime on Sept 5, 2019 10:19:58 GMT -5
Birmingham is also not a second team for an MLS squad. Hence why they can get two recent first round draft choices on loan from two different MLS teams as their strikers. Apart from NY Red Bulls 2 and Indy Eleven most of the teams at the top of the USL East standings are not a feeder team to an MLS teams.
Here is how the MLS reserves/second teams are doing.
1. NY Red Bulls 2
3. Indy Eleven
8. Ottawa Fury
12. Bethlehem Steel
14. Loudoun United
16. ATL 2
18. Swope Park
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ATL 2 ?
Apr 24, 2021 9:50:27 GMT -5
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Post by socceristhebest on Apr 24, 2021 9:50:27 GMT -5
Do the 2s have a coach?
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ATL 2 ?
Apr 25, 2021 21:11:44 GMT -5
Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 25, 2021 21:11:44 GMT -5
From what I've been told TA coached them yesterday with Jack Collison(current U17s coach) as his assistant. I hear loads of folks are interested and just an FYI, when the last coach left AU2 and Stephen Glass took over, Stephen was also the U17s coach at the time... |
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ATL 2 ?
Apr 26, 2021 7:54:54 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 26, 2021 7:54:54 GMT -5
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Apr 26, 2021 8:15:47 GMT -5
Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 26, 2021 8:15:47 GMT -5
TA is leaving in June after the Academy season concludes or the individual team playoff run ends...
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ATL 2 ?
Apr 26, 2021 10:10:04 GMT -5
Post by allthingsoccer on Apr 26, 2021 10:10:04 GMT -5
TA is leaving in June after the Academy season concludes or the individual team playoff run ends... Not sure. Maybe end of June if playoff run is in progress |
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ATL 2 ?
Jul 17, 2022 15:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 17, 2022 15:05:31 GMT -5
Another 0-5 result. Took a beating from San Antonio last night.
2 completely different sides- San Antonio top of the league, AU at the bottom.
They have conceded 54 goals this season.
The closest team next has cocneded 41 goals.
Team needs to get out of USL and go play in their fake mls next pro league that nobody cares about.
Same storyline - the 2s don’t care about winning, but when they win or tie, the club tweets as if they are on the right path and successful.
Team has some talent - zero concept of how to play as a unit.
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Post by bogan on Jul 17, 2022 15:12:00 GMT -5
“Team has some talent - zero concept of how to play as a unit.”
Same as the first team?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 17, 2022 21:59:13 GMT -5
I find it very disappointing that the 2s are incapable of playing good footy. They don't string passes, they don't play fundamental defense and all Jack Collison does on the sideline is yell, yell and yell some more. I get that the wins do not matter, but playing as 11 individuals as opposed to one unit is truly sickening to watch. At the very least, develop the lads and put them in positions to go to real USL teams to make decent money. MSL teams don't pay as much as true USL teams...
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Jul 18, 2022 8:37:01 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 18, 2022 8:37:01 GMT -5
I find it very disappointing that the 2s are incapable of playing good footy. They don't string passes, they don't play fundamental defense and all Jack Collison does on the sideline is yell, yell and yell some more. I get that the wins do not matter, but playing as 11 individuals as opposed to one unit is truly sickening to watch. At the very least, develop the lads and put them in positions to go to real USL teams to make decent money. MSL teams don't pay as much as true USL teams... It's crazy that its been like this since they were formed - I missed the last game, but I still do tune in and try to remember to watch these games. | Season | USLChampionship | | | | | | | | Play-offs | HeadCoach |
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| P | W | L | D | GF | GA | Pts | Pos | | | | 2018 | 34 | 7 | 17 | 10 | 37 | 72 | 31 | 14th,Eastern | Didnotqualify | Scott Donnelly | | 2019 | 34 | 9 | 17 | 8 | 45 | 77 | 35 | 14th,Eastern | Didnotqualify | Stephen Glass | | 2020 | 16 | 3 | 10 | 3 | 23 | 33 | 12 | 4th,GroupH | Didnotqualify | Stephen Glass- Tony Annan | | 2021 | 32 | 8 | 14 | 10 | 46 | 56 | 34 | 7th,Central | Didnotqualify | Tony Annan- Jack Collison |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 20, 2022 21:57:10 GMT -5
First off, the last game was truly bad to watch. I clicked off after a while, could not finish. I do know the 5 zip shellacking could have been worse since their opponents missed at least one PK. In other news, one of their better players has been transferred...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 21, 2022 10:07:08 GMT -5
At least now he can play back on team competing for something.
club should have taken USL seriously. Its too bad, now on to the mls next pro league that nobody will watch or care about.
USL is actually kind of cool, feels much more organic then mls.
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ATL 2 ?
Jul 21, 2022 11:02:00 GMT -5
Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 21, 2022 11:02:00 GMT -5
In today's news...
This would make 10 (6 current, 2 loaned out and 2 in 2023) Homegrowns on the roster. I'm thinking some of the older HGs need to be worried as they may not be retained come roster tweaking time...
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jul 21, 2022 12:50:27 GMT -5
At least now he can play back on team competing for something. club should have taken USL seriously. Its too bad, now on to the mls next pro league that nobody will watch or care about. USL is actually kind of cool, feels much more organic then mls. I think the Academy does have the right players to create a competitive team but unfortunately most won't get the opportunity. They single out players too early and have to justify by riding them out so others will never get the opportunity. Politics at play for sure. EVERY academy player should be given the opportunity to show what they can do at that level. If they fail, they fail. I think they would be very surprised. The U23 league will be a broken promise and most academy players won't choose this option over NCAA. The fact that you cant come back and play during breaks is going to hurt. Plus not having a USL option will hurt as well. Just seems like the brand is going down hill, fast. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 21, 2022 19:32:15 GMT -5
At least now he can play back on team competing for something. club should have taken USL seriously. Its too bad, now on to the mls next pro league that nobody will watch or care about. USL is actually kind of cool, feels much more organic then mls. I think the Academy does have the right players to create a competitive team but unfortunately most won't get the opportunity. They single out players too early and have to justify by riding them out so others will never get the opportunity. Politics at play for sure. EVERY academy player should be given the opportunity to show what they can do at that level. If they fail, they fail. I think they would be very surprised. The U23 league will be a broken promise and most academy players won't choose this option over NCAA. The fact that you cant come back and play during breaks is going to hurt. Plus not having a USL option will hurt as well. Just seems like the brand is going down hill, fast. Seems to be an American soccer thing to anoint the next great thing too early. Keep minds and eyes open until adulthood and keep politics out and maybe better players overall with surface. |
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ATL 2 ?
Jul 21, 2022 21:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by bogan on Jul 21, 2022 21:00:37 GMT -5
I think the Academy does have the right players to create a competitive team but unfortunately most won't get the opportunity. They single out players too early and have to justify by riding them out so others will never get the opportunity. Politics at play for sure. EVERY academy player should be given the opportunity to show what they can do at that level. If they fail, they fail. I think they would be very surprised. The U23 league will be a broken promise and most academy players won't choose this option over NCAA. The fact that you cant come back and play during breaks is going to hurt. Plus not having a USL option will hurt as well. Just seems like the brand is going down hill, fast. Seems to be an American soccer thing to anoint the next great thing too early. Keep minds and eyes open until adulthood and keep politics out and maybe better players overall with surface. I have read many articles where foreign coaches say we have some of the best U-15 to U-19 mens players… but something happens after that… 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 22, 2022 17:28:13 GMT -5
After 6+ years in existence, and observing the evolution the academy program year after year, I do not believe the AU academy program has improved. If anything the quality of players overall produced for the next level has gotten worse. One player here or there is not enough. The fact that more academy players aren't given the opportunity to play in AU2 speaks for itself. It's also almost impossible to recognize any of those characteristics Darren Eales used to brag about when Tata and Tony were around, like having an identity, culture and style of play etc etc etc…
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jul 25, 2022 20:33:46 GMT -5
In my opinion, based on the existing paradigm we use to fill the first team (pillaging talent from Latin America) the Academy is merely for show and may perhaps only exist because it is required by the MLS. To be completely honest, except for Gressel, Robinson, and more recently McFadden, even the draft doesn't produce studs. More draft picks are now being utilized to support the struggling second team, only to force them out once their contracts expire. We can argue that Bello wasn't actually developed in the AU Academy if we exclude the fact that he benefited from the inability to sign players at the height of the pandemic. Who else has truly demonstrated promise? Conway? Campbell? Perhaps Wiley, but it's too soon to tell...
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Post by bogan on Jul 25, 2022 21:15:11 GMT -5
In my opinion, based on the existing paradigm we use to fill the first team (pillaging talent from Latin America) the Academy is merely for show and may perhaps only exist because it is required by the MLS. To be completely honest, except for Gressel, Robinson, and more recently McFadden, even the draft doesn't produce studs. More draft picks are now being utilized to support the struggling second team, only to force them out once their contracts expire. We can argue that Bello wasn't actually developed in the AU Academy if we exclude the fact that he benefited from the inability to sign players at the height of the pandemic. Who else has truly demonstrated promise? Conway? Campbell? Perhaps Wiley, but it's too soon to tell... The academy is a marketing tool meant to increase the fan base. If it produces an occasional player, that’s a bonus. |
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Post by atlutd17 on Jul 25, 2022 21:19:53 GMT -5
At least now he can play back on team competing for something. club should have taken USL seriously. Its too bad, now on to the mls next pro league that nobody will watch or care about. USL is actually kind of cool, feels much more organic then mls. Totally agree. It's the only league that gives me hope. |
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ATL 2 ?
Aug 7, 2022 9:59:53 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 7, 2022 9:59:53 GMT -5
Wow.
2s lost 6-0 to bham last night.
Disturbing. 64 goals against on the year, -36 goal differential
Can’t score and can’t defend.
Look at the last goal they conceded.
Really is embarrassing -
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Aug 7, 2022 11:32:39 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 7, 2022 11:32:39 GMT -5
Wow. 2s lost 6-0 to bham last night. Disturbing. 64 goals against on the year, -36 goal differential Can’t score and can’t defend. Look at the last goal they conceded. Really is embarrassing - Wow! Pretty bad. That said I have seen the first team do the same thing. SMH |
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Aug 7, 2022 15:50:48 GMT -5
Post by dc on Aug 7, 2022 15:50:48 GMT -5
Wow. 2s lost 6-0 to bham last night. Disturbing. 64 goals against on the year, -36 goal differential Can’t score and can’t defend. Look at the last goal they conceded. Really is embarrassing - Wow! Pretty bad. That said I have seen the first team do the same thing. SMH The kid just turned 17 a couple of weeks ago. Can we at least give him a break until he's old enough to vote? Sheesh! |
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Aug 7, 2022 16:37:16 GMT -5
Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 7, 2022 16:37:16 GMT -5
Wow. 2s lost 6-0 to bham last night. Disturbing. 64 goals against on the year, -36 goal differential Can’t score and can’t defend. Look at the last goal they conceded. Really is embarrassing - Wow. It was so hard to watch. Let hope JC (the coach) isnt with the U23s next year. Yes they play younger players but man... College path or go get beat by 6pts. |
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Post by flix on Aug 7, 2022 16:53:42 GMT -5
Wow! Pretty bad. That said I have seen the first team do the same thing. SMH The kid just turned 17 a couple of weeks ago. Can we at least give him a break until he's old enough to vote? Sheesh! Ahhh, he’s a professional and gets paid to play. Don’t use the fact that he’s 17 as a crutch. He plays the entire 90 all the time and has been selected for a u-19 USMNT camp as a 17 year old. It was a horrible play, hopefully he learned from it and will move on but let’s not try to make it seem like he’s 17 playing for Inter Atlanta or a local club. Honestly, that looks like a mistake one would make at u13 level but not at his level. |
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Aug 7, 2022 16:54:36 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 7, 2022 16:54:36 GMT -5
Wow! Pretty bad. That said I have seen the first team do the same thing. SMH The kid just turned 17 a couple of weeks ago. Can we at least give him a break until he's old enough to vote? Sheesh! I figure saying the first team has done the same is giving him a break. |
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