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Post by ultimatedad on Oct 4, 2019 13:27:28 GMT -5
It makes sense to make leagues around population centers and then maybe have a National playoff inter league to determine the champion. You just described ECNL and DA, not your beloved USYS. It was the population centers that threw off your argument. Regardless all of the leagues have their national playoff and have a qualification for it. UHM unless things have drastically changed ECNL and DA competition is geographically based. That is why there is so much travel to play other teams in their geographic area. Atlanta teams play in the Southeast region as defined by the borders of several states. The SCCL is closer to a population based league than ECNL or DA. The biggest problem with the SCCL is that it only represents a few clubs and has no relegation or promotion. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 4, 2019 13:29:36 GMT -5
What they meant is that all the DA and ECNL teams are based in the major population centers, whereas NL teams are not. Meanwhile NL may PLAY their games in the major population centers, but the teams can come from the sticks.
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Post by ultimatedad on Oct 4, 2019 15:41:05 GMT -5
Respectfully,we we discussing the organizational structure of the leagues not the origin of the individual teams. For example if ECNL was team based and not ckub based, a Metro Atlanta based division could be created that would be much stronger than the current structure that has those crappy Florida teams. You could create a much more competitive league with much less travel.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Oct 4, 2019 16:18:44 GMT -5
Why is it a big deal that SCCL does not have promotion/relegation while it isn't a big deal for ECNL or DA? I understand there is a stricter criteria to gain entry as an ECNL or DA club, but it isn't like SCCL is taking every club under the sun.
Back to crossover weekend, I'm surprised this info is just coming out now. I also would have thought U15 and up would be now with U12 - U14 being in the spring. I don't know how that would work if there are HS players on the SCCL-P teams.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 4, 2019 17:03:12 GMT -5
I wonder if in metro ATL if U15 SCCL and SCCL-P teams/brackets could be merged for the spring.
ECNL and DA dont have pro/rel of teams because they promote/acquire/relegate PLAYERS between years. Same as MLS, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc...the American way.
Players arent producing? They go down a team.
New sparkly kid tries out? They make the top team.
And TBH, it generally seems to work. It's the stated DA philosophy...give DA to teams in major population centers and expect that ALL the best players will flock there. The problems to this approach are 3-fold: 1-Some kids WANT to play for their HS in front of hundreds of spectators; 2-Some families are NOT going to relocate; 3-Some families are not willing to pay the club/travel/time expense for DA even if they could afford it.
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Post by Keeper on Oct 4, 2019 19:58:21 GMT -5
How is a u15 team going to participate in the spring when most girls will be playing high school and they don't have an "official" spring season? Most girls aren’t participating in HS rec ball, maybe half are and the other half are still in 8th grade. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 4, 2019 20:10:46 GMT -5
How is a u15 team going to participate in the spring when most girls will be playing high school and they don't have an "official" spring season? Most girls aren’t participating in HS rec ball, maybe half are and the other half are still in 8th grade. There are a lot of girls who go to schools without teams also. There are a few on my high school age child's team. |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 4, 2019 21:05:48 GMT -5
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Post by footyfan on Oct 5, 2019 6:14:12 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Oct 5, 2019 7:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 5, 2019 7:57:03 GMT -5
Depends on which bracket. For U17 boys, most west teams have 3 games over the weekend. The problem is the inconsistent number of teams in the east.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Oct 7, 2019 6:44:38 GMT -5
Update on the crossover weekend. Only u16 and up teams will be participating on Oct 19-20 crossover weekend. All games will be at Mt. Carmel The rest of the teams will have the event in the Spring That is poor planning. You leave U12-U15 kids/parents/coaches/team managers hanging since mid August then announce the younger age brackets are not going to play, and I'm sure it has all to do with not planning it out early enough to secure fields and referees. So my son's team could have planned an out of state tournament, some scrimmages or other friendlies or the families could have planned a nice weekend getaway without soccer, but almost too late for any of that now given the short notice. Horrible communication and planning. I think the lack of planning and communication has a lot more to do with individual DOC's from 6+ clubs in each division handling things (too many hands in the cookie jar) versus the real head of SCCL handling it and telling some of these DOC's he makes final decisions and get over it. It seems to be this Sean guy that runs SCCL is nothing more than a figure-head that has no power to do anything. |
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Post by bigman1 on Oct 17, 2019 11:09:19 GMT -5
Could this weekend potentially get cancelled Due to the bad weather that Atlanta will receive on Saturday? It would be a real pain if people from out of state that drove 2-3 hours a booked a hotel for the weekend to get cancelled!
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Post by girlsoccer on Oct 18, 2019 8:43:11 GMT -5
Could this weekend potentially get cancelled Due to the bad weather that Atlanta will receive on Saturday? It would be a real pain if people from out of state that drove 2-3 hours a booked a hotel for the weekend to get cancelled! Looks like it’s been postponed. |
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Post by interestedspectator on Oct 18, 2019 9:05:40 GMT -5
Canceled. Another smart decision by this league!!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 18, 2019 9:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by atlfutboldad on Oct 18, 2019 9:54:54 GMT -5
Starting to think all tournaments need to be on turf. Its going to rain, but I don't think there's going to be thunderstorms.
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Post by girlsoccer on Oct 18, 2019 12:20:48 GMT -5
Looks like NL- Piedmont games are cancelled this weekend too. Along with regular SCCL Saturday games too. My only kid still playing this weekend is my u8 pre-academy girl 😀
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Post by soccernoleuk on Oct 18, 2019 12:28:10 GMT -5
Looks like NL- Piedmont games are cancelled this weekend too. Along with regular SCCL Saturday games too. My only kid still playing this weekend is my u8 pre-academy girl 😀 I think this depends on club & location of the games. We are still scheduled to play tomorrow afternoon at SSA and haven't heard anything about being cancelled. Based on the forecast I saw, it is going to rain in Cobb County, but not nearly as much as east & south of Atlanta. So games scheduled north & west of Atlanta might still be played. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 18, 2019 20:55:45 GMT -5
Looks like NL- Piedmont games are cancelled this weekend too. Along with regular SCCL Saturday games too. My only kid still playing this weekend is my u8 pre-academy girl 😀 There are boys SCCL games and girls academy and NPL games that are still on for tomorrow...all of those are being played on turf. |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 25, 2020 12:00:28 GMT -5
Hearing that SCCL-P Crossover weekend will be played March 21-22 in South Carolina. Anyone have any additional details?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 25, 2020 12:16:15 GMT -5
Hearing that SCCL-P Crossover weekend will be played March 21-22 in South Carolina. Any have any additional details? That is correct. My son's team is already registered for it. His coach believes it will likely be at some of the CESA fields. In the registration it looks as if they might be trying to force teams toward a travel agent. Our parents won't do that crap. They will get their own rooms. I'm not a fan of the kick-back travel agent scam. What are they going to do kick our team out? Yeah right..... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 25, 2020 12:51:09 GMT -5
LOL. Travel agency for a 1-night stay? Clubs need to ditch that nonsense. Of course it could be CESA trying to make up for losses when their November tourney got rained out...
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 25, 2020 14:43:03 GMT -5
LOL. Travel agency for a 1-night stay? Clubs need to ditch that nonsense. Of course it could be CESA trying to make up for losses when their November tourney got rained out... It is my understanding that the only cost I saw was for referees billed directly to the clubs. As far as I know there is no cost to the actual teams except for the hotel and per-diem for the coach, and their own personal gas, food, hotel. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 25, 2020 15:00:14 GMT -5
Do the clubs believe that people don't know how to coordinate and book their own hotels?  Pretty positive CESA would be getting $$$ for field usage though. |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 25, 2020 15:15:15 GMT -5
Why is CESA hosting the SCCL-P crossover event when they don't have a team in SCCL-P?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 25, 2020 16:54:20 GMT -5
Why is CESA hosting the SCCL-P crossover event when they don't have a team in SCCL-P? I'm not 100% sure it is just SCCL-P. There may be SCCL teams involved as well. I am just speculating though. CESA has the most fields in the area and it is a good equal distance site between the SCCL-P East teams and the SCCL-P West teams. That is why I would think they picked CESA fields. Again this is just what our coach assumes. I'm not sure he has been told exactly where, but I assume it will be held between Greenville and Spartanburg at a location maybe even multiple fields. As far as I know there is just CESA and Carolina FC in that area. Carolina FC does not have the field capacity to host something like this, so I assume they will have to use CESA fields. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Feb 25, 2020 20:23:29 GMT -5
Why is CESA hosting the SCCL-P crossover event when they don't have a team in SCCL-P? I'm not 100% sure it is just SCCL-P. There may be SCCL teams involved as well. I am just speculating though. CESA has the most fields in the area and it is a good equal distance site between the SCCL-P East teams and the SCCL-P West teams. That is why I would think they picked CESA fields. Again this is just what our coach assumes. I'm not sure he has been told exactly where, but I assume it will be held between Greenville and Spartanburg at a location maybe even multiple fields. As far as I know there is just CESA and Carolina FC in that area. Carolina FC does not have the field capacity to host something like this, so I assume they will have to use CESA fields. The CESA SCCL teams are scheduled to be here in Atlanta that weekend playing TopHat & Concorde. Maybe another reason to use their fields is because they won't need there will be plenty of open space. As for SCCL teams being involved, that most likely won't happen. The only SCCL team not on the schedule that weekend for league games is BUSA. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 26, 2020 7:30:42 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sure it is just SCCL-P. There may be SCCL teams involved as well. I am just speculating though. CESA has the most fields in the area and it is a good equal distance site between the SCCL-P East teams and the SCCL-P West teams. That is why I would think they picked CESA fields. Again this is just what our coach assumes. I'm not sure he has been told exactly where, but I assume it will be held between Greenville and Spartanburg at a location maybe even multiple fields. As far as I know there is just CESA and Carolina FC in that area. Carolina FC does not have the field capacity to host something like this, so I assume they will have to use CESA fields. The CESA SCCL teams are scheduled to be here in Atlanta that weekend playing TopHat & Concorde. Maybe another reason to use their fields is because they won't need there will be plenty of open space. As for SCCL teams being involved, that most likely won't happen. The only SCCL team not on the schedule that weekend for league games is BUSA. I wouldn't take much stock in what the schedule says right now. My son's team plays 3/21 in Atlanta as well. If you have been in SCCL or SCCL-P long enough, you realize how quickly the game dates and times can change without much notice. I assume that his game that is scheduled in Atlanta will get moved to another date. It has to get moved. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Feb 26, 2020 12:03:26 GMT -5
The CESA SCCL teams are scheduled to be here in Atlanta that weekend playing TopHat & Concorde. Maybe another reason to use their fields is because they won't need there will be plenty of open space. As for SCCL teams being involved, that most likely won't happen. The only SCCL team not on the schedule that weekend for league games is BUSA. I wouldn't take much stock in what the schedule says right now. My son's team plays 3/21 in Atlanta as well. If you have been in SCCL or SCCL-P long enough, you realize how quickly the game dates and times can change without much notice. I assume that his game that is scheduled in Atlanta will get moved to another date. It has to get moved. If you are playing SCCL-P, yes your schedule will most likely change. If you are playing SCCL it most likely won't. There aren't many open dates remaining on the calendar to makeup games before the end of the season. Looking at our schedule, if you block off Easter Sunday and the weekends book ending Spring Break, I believe we have 1 open weekend date before SCCL Cup in May. Of course they can schedule after SCCL Cup, but then you are talking about Memorial Day weekend or the weekend just prior to tryouts. Our coach has already told us not to expect any additional tournaments this spring because there just aren't any dates remaining. He also told us if we have rain cancellations, we might need to makeup the games during the week...I see there are already some SCCL games scheduled on Wednesday & Friday nights. I know schedules can change, and typically do. However, this year there just aren't many dates available to shuffle things around much. |
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